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If you're going to buy prepaid credit cards, certainly make sure you follow my advice in this post to maximize your privacy protection.
For me, there is nothing wrong with provider having my real details. However publishing them is an entirely different thing.
Neither Walmart, nor prepaid credit cards nor SSNs exist here.
However i don't consider IPXCore a shady or summer host. It just happens to be owned by a guy who has a too big ego to admit his mistakes and ignores any post that says otherwise.
what did i have to do with this?
Sorry that i didn't clarify it, of course you have nothing to do with this thread. I just wanted to point out this thread as an example for Damian.
Ahh the argument about ssl! Now I see. I still hold on to my beliefs. Doesn't mean we don't use SSL just didn't have it installed and it is a debate on what it really does protect and such. But we are not starting this again. I agree you don't go posting names outright but there is something to be said for abusers having a portion of thier identity given out. That maybe they won't do it again. Damian I suggest using fraudrecord instead of posting info on a forum.
Jeezus!
This.
This +1
Damian is hard as rock, high as his unreachable pride that he is not wrong. How could you not stay away from this kind of host? Just tell me how? HOW? I wonder how old is damian, and start to worry that he might need a psychiatric advice.
Could someone from ipxcore get a hold of damian? Also to someone from ipxcore, do you have the same opinion as damian?
Stop bumping craps for gods sake.
@gsrdgrdghd
But again, the provider(s) isn't allowed to. No if's, no but's; it really is as simple as that.
If they do, then you can seek legal action as there are serious repercussions for breach of privacy. Again, it really is that simple.
If we take that out of the equation, it then boils down to your opinion of how IPXCore/Damian conducted himself posting the screenshot(s).
Now, if* IPXCore/Damian didn't breach any (privacy) laws posting the screenshot(s) then no wrong doing has happened on his behalf; he was legally entitled to post that data.
You may not like that and you're entitled to this opinion, i have zero issue with this, but you shouldn't be singling out IPXCore/Damian. These laws, rules and regulations apply to all providers not just him and his company.
*And i say if as none, apart from IPXCore/Damian and the original customer, of us can actually say if he did or did not breach any laws. We simply don't know the details.
However, if the customer feels he has then they should seek advice and legal action if need be.
Said i wouldn't be back but this popcorn is far too good, 'palm.
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/116215#Comment_116215
This very well applies to all providers. If you followed previous threads, we said the same thing to Randy and possible others. Not singling out anyone.
I do not agree with posting names addresses and emails in public, no matter the motivation unless allowed or directed by a court of law.
We can't take the law in our hands and hope that:
1. The customer was in the wrong in the first place and wont seek legal representation or will rather not do that because will expose their own wrongdoings;
2. The customer is too poor/finds it too much of a hassle to to go litigation;
3. Hope that naming and shaming is legal because we say so and in some bible-belt state they hang adulterers or stone them to death together with posting it at the local sheriff's office...
Even if it is legal and the customer was in the wrong, where are we drawing the line ?
After "terrorists"?
After "cults" ?
After homosexuals ?
After "libruls" ?
After ppl who forgot to pay the bill ???
Who is IPXCore to judge this and how come that having no privacy policy means the law no longer applies ? Even the law of common sense ?
I wouldn't cancel my VPS with IPXCOre for that thing because I wouldnt give out real details in the first place. He is free to sue me for that, or everyone else I have a VPS with, for that matter.
M
public opinion is also another form of law.
Well, not if you don't care about it and Damian doesn't seem to care what a big chunk of ppl here think, if not the majority.
M
But the questions remain!
Where do you draw the line?
If a spammer signs up on your service, should you let other providers know he is a spammer?
A guy who puts kiddy porn on your system?
A person who blatantly abuses vps?
A faudster, who does fishing schemes?
Where does it stop? When do you loose your right to privacy?
Public disclosure of private facts arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.[13] "Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[14] Disclosure of private facts includes publishing or widespread dissemination of little-known, private facts that are non-newsworthy, not part of public records, public proceedings, not of public interest, and would be offensive to a reasonable person if made public.[12]
This is a description of what can be expected as privacy. So your name and address may be disclosed as it is public record, and cannot be considered private information as you can walk to the nearest court house and retrieve this information.
Not that we give out this information. We use fraudrecord to record this information for other whmcs hosts to use.
Personally I think yeah fair enough the guy did bad but @Damian I don't think it was a good idea to show off as it's just made a bad image to yourself and ipxcore. I mean yeah I like your company and it's story about moving from Phoenix to Chicago but I would never think about releasing a client's details anywhere; no matter what they did.
@jkr1711 If you think showing a screenshot of an email with someone's name is "releasing bad classified information! oh noes!!" , you're sadly misinformed.
@Nexus well let's think about it; today its someone's name and email what comes tomorrow? Prevention is better than cure
The problem is, I don't see Damian trying to show off. Sure humans can have an ego, we all do. I see nothing in the wrong, kid came in here trying rip IPXCore a new ass. Damian showed him up an eye for an eye and the kid then cried about "Oh noes these people shared my personal information!!!!". It's complete garbage.
I recommend future threads like these become closed the minute a moderator or an administrator knows that the OP Is just trying to stir shit up. It's also ridiculous how grgrhrhhrrh or whatever thinks just because Damian is the CEO of IPXCore that he can't engage in interaction with other people and must stay humble 24/7? The hell this ain't no fascism forum.
Nice "CEO" term that you have used ;-)
@Randy, I am not 100% sure if he is the CEO, or an affiliate, I apologize. But that's really irrelevant, it's not like CEO's cannot engage in user discussions publicly?
No. i meant it reminds me of @subigo 's thread;-) How to become a ceo under 200$
I like how noone from IPXCore feels the need to defend their actions, they just keep "Thanking" people who do. Of course thats unfortunate if the only people defending them are people like @Nexus who clearly shows that he didn't read the thread by stating such things:
or
To respond to the other parts of your post:
This is interesting because it shows that you actually consider what @Damian did was wrong, but it is justified because the client did something wrong in the first place. Ironically i have already reponsed to what you said 2 pages ago here with my 4th point. But you have already shown that you didn't bother to read the thread.
Proove this. Link to my posts and show how i "thinks just because Damian is the CEO of IPXCore that he can't engage in interaction with other people and must stay humble 24/7"
Thats funny, because not engaging in discussions is exactly what @Damian is doing, although i've encouraged him more than once to do so.
He leaked personal details and thinks he is right. not even apology .. ego kills humans
@gsrdgrdghd
@nexus
This. He's not going to apologize, and I don't even know why people would care or believe it if he did. Apologies are vastly overrated. Let it go. The point has been made.
hehe, voice of experience
Being honest to yourself, Randy, you will admit that the permarequest for threads to be closed was not a good idea and was only to hide things. Someplace I gave you a few hints on how to turn a disaster into a success but I doubt you read it as you were pretty hyped that time.
No, Damian himself doesnt request thread(s) to be closed, but Nexus does.
I mean, come on, ppl, why is this such a problem ? We are debating an issue and @gsrdgrdghd did a great job adding up the loose ends of the discussion and summarized it pretty well a few times. He wasnt particularly kind to me in the Tor threads, but he did have arguments and I appreciated his stand then, even tho was, at times, completely against my position.
Unlike Randy, Damian did a great job communicating with his customers here and he had almost unanimous appreciation for it, even tho was not a great service and weeks of downtime were not particularly thrilling for the customers either.
His services are not the best, however he is a valued member of the community because he is participating and communicating.
He might have had good intentions when posting that, I cannot be sure, maybe wanted to show less experienced hosts how to treat abusers, dunno, but this time communication went too far (says me).
I am maybe paranoid and privacy freak, but this thread proves there are some other ppl that care for their privacy enough to be scared of such practices (not in the sense of getting a yellow belly and hide under the table, but becoming really concerned about what might happen when the policeman, prosecutor, juror and judge Damian might consider they did something wrong).
It is a mistake, not a big one, not a fatal one, but cannot be considered a joke only, nor be justified by the actions of the "accused".
M