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As I said, even if they break an US law and your AUP, their privacy right cannot be voided by yourself.
Say they have copyrighted material on their download folder plus they have their private files in the same place. You did your inspection and opened one of their private files that hold no copyright. Now, you have violated their privacy.
Hell, no tool is 100% fool proof to detect something like this. So, you'll end up looking through some person's real private content in the end and violate their privacy.
Regarding the suing argument: Think of this. Say some competitor is looking to ruin you. All they need to do is installing a torrent client and putting their private non copyrighted material there and renaming them as movie names. You terminate them saying you've seen copyrighted material and there is the law suit there.
last one and i am done,
What about those two:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property
we have all those regulated in EU so this is more checking that anything else
Because it has to be illegal or it isn't. If it's illegal, it is written. You have made that claim, you are obligated to prove it unless you're just talking out of your ass. If there is a law, cite it. If there is not, you are wrong. You have made the claim of the existence of something, you are burdened to prove it.
True, Fund Romanian company, rent Romanian servers, act according to Romanian laws and you are good to go.
The first one does not apply at all. An example of a trade secret is the Coca Cola beverage formula.
The second one defines the basis and legal definition of intellectual property, and does not mention a specific law pertaining to this case.
They'd have to be retarded to do that because in the U.S, if that were to happen, they'd be GUARANTEED to be countersued in an unfair competition lawsuit because they renamed the files intentionally with knowledge that we do this and have this procedure/policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_competition
As I said a few posts back, I know only a little about international laws. His sources don't seem to be reliable here and advised him to search for real advice from a lawyer who specializes in this.
It just doesn't sound right to my ears that there is no law in the US that forbids these kinds of actions. If there is really no law that forbids his actions, I really have no words
Sorry @serverian but this is true. A business can refuse service for almost any reason other than race, gender, or religion.
Please show me this:
Fair point, I spoke out of turn. However, if you take such an interest, you should follow through and be the hero that you set out to be.
I'm not saying that I take Jon's side or that I don't, but I've been through this here before. For a long time at Catalyst I ran a script that searched for "dos.pl" because we had a string of outgoing attacks and the logs showed that as a big player in the 'ps' output from the server. To this day I stand by it and no one, I repeat NO ONE, has ever accepted my challenge to cite a law that states that I had no legal right to do it.
You guys can pull out all of your pitchforks and torches, it doesn't make you right.
"Duuuuude I think you just won the argument man! You aren't even in your school's debate club! You could grow up to be a fucking politician, you just need to learn how to lie really good and I could imagine you being President!"
are the type of messages that are now being sent to me over Skype.
/sidetrack
Searching for a particular file and doing "ls" on the folders of a customer's VPS randomly are not the same thing IMHO.
WILL EVERYONE SHUT UP AND GO TO THE CEST PIT PLEASE >.<
/joke
This isn't the place to throw shit around, y'all should know that.
/joke
I AM ASHAMED WITH ALL OF YOU AND YOUR PRIVACY VIOLATING WAYS. YOU SHOULD LET ME ATTACK AND ABUSE THE NODE WITHOUT RESTRICTION :O
/joke
Sorry to burst your bubble but your have not win anything. All you did was to paraphrase sentences from some guy who works in a law office and another guy who has minor on law subject.
You have not supported any of your arguments with facts. (Neither has anyone else) So all the important parts of what you said are in the air.
I would beat the shit out of everyone telling me that I could be a politician! That is SO insulting! I am sorry that you receive harassing messages like this!
I did not accept that challenge because I'm quite uninformed about international data privacy laws. In Turkey, the whole privacy laws are close to non-existent, but in US, I don't know, and because of that I ask to the one who claimed that law in the first place (I presumed a written law about this as I really didn't think that there'd be no written thing at all). And I got my answer with Jon's post.
I'm sorry but that picture is retarded @ihatetonyy
Whoever made that has a horrible lack of photoshopping ability.
http://r-word.org/mobile/default.aspx
What about people who already signed up with you before you add this? You would need to provide a full refund I believe?
13c. GreenValueHost may modify this Agreement at any time. You agree to assume all responsibility for any violation of these terms in the event that you fail to review this Agreement on a periodic basis.Alright. Looks like there is no law in the land of the free that prohibits host from looking at customers' files. http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1413919
Live and learn, eh?
Actually, no. As per Illinois law, we would only need to inform clients that the ToS has been updated, that is all. The following line gives us that ability.
"1b. GreenValueHost reserves the right to modify this Agreement at any time. Your continued use of our Services constitutes your full understanding and agreement to comply with these terms."
Same goes for me; I found this segment of the US law. I'm not familiar with it, and as such, some of the legal jargon remains unclear to me. It'd be great if somebody here could clarify. It seems to be that wiretap laws extend to the internet, given the definition of "electronic communication" written in the law.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2511
Crap. It's not good to have INIZ and RamNode in the topic title when the discussion is 99% GVH-goofery.
As somebody else said; could the GVH-goofery be put into a seperate topic? It might reflect badly on INIZ and RamNode to have these two reputable providers mentioned in the title, and then having people read endless GVH bullshit rather than on topic posts.
Just my two shekels.
Fair enough
The topic was never really about those providers, it was more about someone wanting to work out where he could get away with torrenting.
With that in mind a topic re-title probably is the way to go, rather than a thread split.
Agreed, and on that note GVH had every right to come in here and defend against the suggestion made by others that their services be used for something that they clearly do not wish for their servers to be used for. Once again a case of everyone else made this thread about GHV.
This thread is like AIDS.
If it is true, that "there is no law in the land of the free that prohibits host from looking at customers' files", then hosting in the US is a no-go for privacy concerned people. They can bend the law in any direction, calling it AUP/TOS violation. This is sad and, as far as I am informed, not allowed in the EU.
This is so embarrassing...