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@PAD I see. Thanks a lot for your kind remarks.
Here are some words that might suite your need, dedicated and shared.
I have nodes on 2G dedicated ports and trust me the amount of bandwidth I push through that is something you can ever imagine.
I agree providers oversells. But not everyone oversells their diskspace and ram. May be on I/o and network and maybe on CPU.
If your only logic is diskspace, it is difficult to oversell on kvm. Agreed. But who is stopping the provider from overselling memory by ballooning , they can still oversell network and all the rest goodies.
It is Linux God damnit. You can do anything you want to.
@PAD do you own any Vps business? Are you an admin of every single vps node out there? If not do not assume. Cause that makes an ass out of you not me.
My business provided ovz vps for 3+years. Not atleast once can anyone claim nor proove that my business had oversold on ram and disk space.
No wonder Fran and aldryic stopped posting. Assuming is a bad habit. Stjop doing that and we all can have fun.
Considering OpenVZ does not mandate overselling but only enables it, making a blanket statement such as 'everyone oversells' is ridiculous. You can only make this claim about those hosts that you have verified to be overselling.
As for bandwidth, you don't need OpenVZ to oversell that, so if you include bandwidth in the 'everyone oversells' mantra, virtualization technology doesn't matter anymore at all, and KVM/Xen providers are overselling just as well.
@joepie91 thank you.
@NinjaHawk
I can imagine, I have the experience. This isn't a 'my epenis is bigger than your epenis' fight - what you said is simply wrong. All you've done in reply to me is highlight that certain resources aren't oversold and certain resources are, my point was based entirely on the fact that SOME resource will be oversold.
Do I need to own a VPS business? I think you're a little bit high and mighty if you think that this is some sort of great feat.
I don't care about your business, your ram or disk space, or whatever resource you claim not to oversell, overselling is overselling, you're just pointing out the black knob on the white door. Congratulations on a failed argument.
@joepie91 - That's the whole majority/minority argument, however in this case the majority is 99% if not more, you need to oversell some resource at some point, its a general feature of every service ever offered, lol. However, my main argument is that overselling isn't a bad thing, if it isn't a bad thing (which it isn't, but can be) then there is no need to argue whether it happens or not. Advertising that you're NOT overselling is just as useless as advertising that you ARE overselling.
@PAD show me a proof from atleast 10 well known oVz provider that oversells and you will no longer see me here.
( do not include Burstnet).
I've already told you that the only way to prove overselling is using Disk/RAM which can be related to other things such as misconfiguration.
Please give me your genius idea on how to tell that a provider is inherently overselling, without knowing their EXACT client count per server, the EXACT specifications of their server, EXACT information on their upstream/bandwidth.
Continue with the stupid requests, I have all day.
Bah
Everybody provides 100 mbits ports for each client. Each node has more than 10 clients, so, the nodes have >1gbit ports, nah. Oversell
Everybody provides 1,2,4 cores. Each node has an average of 8 cores. The node has 8,4 and 2 clients? Nah. Oversell.
And finally, all the clients are fighting for disk read/write. Disks never are enough, and sometimes the I/O performance spikes and goes to hell (in EVERY host). Oversell.
Isn't just about memory...
And maybe you will tell me that all these resources are shared. The question is how much "shared" is.
Last post here. This is becoming another classic thread.
@PAD if you can not proove why are you claiming such?
@yomero
I have accepted those already. I was talking about most common overselling ( aka HD and Ram).
You must be insanely dumb.
I'm outta here, good idea Yomero.
This is becoming another classic thread. I try to dodge stupidity, today, in this thread, I have failed.
A huge giant Hentai face palm.
Ninja, if your nodes are oversold and you are able to keep them going well then you are a great provider (even in the eyes of your clients). :P
That is the point.
The art of controlling overselling.
PS: Came back because prometeus is da man xD
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@Prometheus a huge giant hentai handshake. Well said.
Then say a 'majority' and not 'all'. Very simple.
I agree with you
my server serving about 3000 U/d
I've using another provider garman, infinitie, I dont remember more, and load always more tha 1, and loading really slow.
I can using all of RAM and Hardisk allocated to vps. (on testing stage I fullfill my VPS space with trash files 99%)
I like ice cream.
my guess is monitoring abusers is more important than overselling a bit?
Is it easy to request for additional disk for OVZ, KVM should you need more? No need reinstall OS?
Is complex IIRC. Resizing the image, and then resize at the OS level.