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LEB Prices for OVZ vs. XEN/KVM
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LEB Prices for OVZ vs. XEN/KVM

jcalebjcaleb Member
edited June 2012 in General

For $7 a month, several are already offering 1GB RAM for OVZ. But why is it for $7, providers can only go as far as 512mb for Xen/KVM?

Is it because of memory accounting 1GB of OVZ is only eating 512Mb physically?

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  • Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
    edited June 2012

    Because OpenVZ allows providers to over-commit all resources (HDD/RAM/CPU) where as Xen and KVM are limited (Either by RAM or HDD).

    I have seen OpenVZ systems with upto 70% oversold RAM, which is fine if its not been used. The recommended RAM over-commit level for KVM is 50%.

    KVM/XEN on the other hand use more RAM just running than an idle OpenVZ box would.

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  • Note some of the KVM offers. The high ram and the oddly low HDD space ... KVM allows overselling of RAM, but not HDD Space.

    XEN is not oversold.

    OpenVZ is all most allways oversold.

  • jcalebjcaleb Member
    edited June 2012

    Is there a way to tell if node is swapping on KVM? vzfree can do it on OVZ, right?

  • vanarpvanarp Member

    @jcaleb said: But why is it for $7, providers can only go as far as 512mb for Xen/KVM?

    Prometeus's current offer gives 1GB KVM for $6.25 only (if paid semi-annually). Go grab one if you are really looking for such.

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  • TazTaz Member

    Jcaleb those that oversell might charge different price. It also a sort of gimmick ( kvm node is a bit hard to manage thus most would want their clients to stay on ovz node :P)

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2012

    Look at this and tell me how much ram is committed (sold) on this openvz node:

    image

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  • ChrisKChrisK Member

    VZ is generally oversold as everyone said...
    If you want to use your resource allocation 24/7 then go with a Xen VPS
    Xen is more of a 'dedicated server' as you can load your own kernels.

  • @chrisk and kvm is even more dedicated-like :p

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @djvdorp said: kvm is even more dedicated-like

    oh no you didn't

  • @mitgib sorry :( did i do something wrong?

  • TazTaz Member

    @ChrisK said: VZ is generally oversold as everyone said...

    If you want to use your resource allocation 24/7 then go with a Xen VPS
    Xen is more of a 'dedicated server' as you can load your own kernels.

    Sorry to say. But Bullshit. Not everyone oversolds.

  • yomeroyomero Member

    @prometeus said: Look at this and tell me how much ram is committed (sold) on this openvz node:

    Dunno :D

    Maybe 1TB xD

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  • yomeroyomero Member

    @NinjaHawk said: Sorry to say. But Bullshit. Not everyone oversolds.

    Yes, everybody does xD
    What about IO and processor? And network bandwidth.

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @djvdorp said: did i do something wrong?

    Not that I can see, but if you hang around #lowendbox you'd know why I said that.

  • TazTaz Member
    edited June 2012

    @yomero said: Yes, everybody does xD

    What about IO and processor? And network bandwidth.

    So with Xen or kvm you do not over sell io and network?
    !(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/12215635.jpg)

  • TazTaz Member

    As far as I know, If you want to oversell, you can oversell with XEN and KVM as well.
    RocketVps is a great example of non oversold ovz provider.

  • @mitgib sorry, i am usually only on #frantech
    What server is #lowendbox on?

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @djvdorp said: What server is #lowendbox on?

    irc.freenode.net

  • Nick_ANick_A Member, Top Host, Host Rep

    @NinjaHawk said: RocketVps is a great example of non oversold ovz provider.

    I'm just curious because I actually have a small vps with them - how have you confirmed that?

  • TazTaz Member
    edited June 2012

    @Nick_A said: I'm just curious because I actually have a small vps with them - how have you confirmed that?

    confirmed what? That they are not oversold? From Experience.

  • yomeroyomero Member
    edited June 2012

    @NinjaHawk said: So with Xen or kvm you do not over sell io and network?

    I didn't said that. Ask the other guys.

  • Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
    edited June 2012

    @NinjaHawk said:

    confirmed what? That they are not oversold? From Experience.

    Lol, you cant tell whether or not an OpenVZ VPS is oversold (Over-ALLOCATED) just from the user end. Sure you can see if its swapping out, but that's only once its oversold to high hell.

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  • PhilPhil Member

    @vanarp said: Prometeus's current offer gives 1GB KVM for $6.25 only (if paid semi-annually). Go grab one if you are really looking for such.

    Went for one two weaks ago, highly recommended. Will post a review in a few days.

  • TazTaz Member
    edited June 2012

    Vps hosted on 6 different nodes. And same result. You can feel and I was able to maxout my allocation most of the time
    Rocket vps.

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Host Rep

    @yomero said: Dunno :D

    But looking the graph do you consider it an oversold node?

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Host Rep

    @Phil said: @vanarp said: Prometeus's current offer gives 1GB KVM for $6.25 only (if paid semi-annually). Go grab one if you are really looking for such.

    Went for one two weaks ago, highly recommended. Will post a review in a few days.

    Thanks both :-)

  • yomeroyomero Member

    @prometeus said: But looking the graph do you consider it an oversold node?

    I am not very familiar with all the counters.
    But I am afraid of what means the 'swap' counter.
    Also, I don't know the total memory in the machine. ~200GB? 192GB? If so, the node is still ok, but I still can't tell if you have just 100 or 2000 clients :P

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Host Rep

    @yomero said: I am not very familiar with all the counters.

    But I am afraid of what means the 'swap' counter.
    Also, I don't know the total memory in the machine. ~200GB? 192GB? If so, the node is still ok, but I still can't tell if you have just 100 or 2000 clients :P

    128GB on the node. The swap is what the kernel think need to be parked there (even when you lower swappiness).

    How much vps? How much ram is sold?

  • yomeroyomero Member

    @prometeus said: How much vps? How much ram is sold?

    I told you, 1TB xD j/k I don't know

  • prometeusprometeus Member, Host Rep

    @liam said: Come on Italy we can beat the Germans ;-)

    :-)

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