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Hosted services & niche markets, what would you like to see?

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    @Mark_R said:
    I'd like to see servers that come pre-installed with all software a person could possibly need (private usage.) this will save alot people time installing and configuring software themselves. Some of the software I'd like to see by default with such server:

    1. Owncloud

    2. Webmail + pop3 etc

    3. Seedbox (Deluge with remote Daemon and web-UI enabled)

    4. VPN (PPTP + OpenVPN) & Proxy

    5. SFTP & FTP

    6. Some other things people could be using everyday.

    It would be nice if I could rent a server that has all this installed by default, like a all-in-one package, I'd be willing to pay 50 euros/m for this if the uptime and storage is good.

    >

    Nice idea, not sure I would include the seedbox element, tends to attract trouble.

  • @AnthonySmith said:
    seedbox

    Yes there always will be trouble with this but at the same time this would be useful for transferring backups / large files, this will help people with unstable ISP's alot because the bittorrent protocol allows resuming uploads/downloads at any time. I can't think of any other software that handles this better than the BT protocol. You could block public tracker URLs if copyright notices become a problem to reduce the amount of complaints.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    @Mark_R said:
    Yes there always will be trouble with this but at the same time this would be useful for transferring backups / large files, this will help people with unstable ISP's alot because the bittorrent protocol allows resuming uploads/downloads at any time. I can't think of any other software that handles this better than the BT protocol. You could block public tracker URLs if copyright notices become a problem to reduce the amount of complaints.

    Fair point, I think btsync would be a better option then.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    So the list so far is:

    Hosted Exchange
    Object Oriented Storage
    General affordable email hosting
    Distributed MariaDB/MySQL cluster for DB offloading
    DNS Service
    Hosted Ghost Blogging
    VPN
    Hosted Raik
    Platform Independent Automated VPS backup and restore service
    Hosted Windows Desktop
    Backup Service with local agent.
    Hosted storage NFS/iSCSI targets
    A ready made combo box - owncloud, webmail, seedbox, VPN, sFTP (and more)
    

    Thanks for the ideas, to be completely honest some hosts already offer some of the more specialized things here, while I like the idea of affordable DNS services to be honest I think a number of good options already exist which I consider very affordable to begin with.

    Object Oriented Storage was a good idea however this is a big thing to maintain and quite specialist so I am not sure I would reinvent that wheel in any form that would be as attractive as the current options.

    VPN is easy to do but the recent paypal issues with VPN providers bothers me, not to say I could not offer it as a combo service as per @Mark_R's suggestion.

    Ideas I think would be enjoyable to implement as a hosted service are the Hosted Ghost Blogging platform, could throw droplet in there as well, Hosted Desktops, Hosted iSCSI/NFS, the hosted mysql/mariadb is certainly interesting but I need to look in to that a bit more in terms of scale.

    Appreciate the ideas guys, always enjoy these sorts of discussions feel free to throw any other ideas out there no matter how small scale or silly they might sound :)

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Any idea what the actual license is for that, I assume these days it is an RDS CAL?

    You need a Windows CAL and a RDS CAL. Not cheap at all

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    MikHo said: You need a Windows CAL and a RDS CAL. Not cheap at all

    I know you deal with SPLA more than I do these days, I can get SPLA status no problem however iirc you can do per socket/CPU CAL instead of per user cant you?

    There is always the Ubuntu Based desktop as an option as well pre configured properly with Wine.

  • ztecztec Member

    @linuxthefish said:
    Hosted jingling!

    Why would people use this? To scam?

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  • pcanpcan Member

    MikHo said: You need a Windows CAL and a RDS CAL. Not cheap at all

    Not exactly. I am not a Microsoft licensing specialist so I may be in error, but I remember that the RDS CAL license is not allowed on the general service provider scenario, with resources shared between customers. This scenario needs SPLA RDS SALs (Subscriber Access Licenses), with a monthly cost that I believe is around 4$ per user. Last time I checked, it was twice the cost of the regular RDS CAL that any company could install on non-shared hardware. The Windows server license is still needed. I believe that the Windows CAL license can be avoided in this scenario; this compensates the "high" price of RDS SALs.

    The current low end Windows offer is still in the stone age, and is lacking many options already well entrenched in the business scenario. There are many examples, I list just two of them related to the remote desktop feature, because I see that many people here buy Windows VPSs for this purpose.

    • According to my knowledge, there are no low-end Windows VPS with GPU support and full USB device redirection (both features are offered by the Microsoft RemoteFX protocol).

    • Another useful Windows service that no one is offering (in this low-end context) is the Terminal services remote desktop gateway. RDS gateway support is integrated in the Remote desktop connection client since Windows xp sp3 and FreeRDP since version 1.1.0. With this service, the RDP connection is tunneled on https standard port (443) and therefore the connection travels trough most proxy servers and firewalls, with protocol optimizations that makes it faster than regular RDP over a VPN. This solution also overcomes the limitation of the standard listening port of RDP (3389), blocked by public hot-spots. It is possible to change the RDP port to 443 or 80, of course, but any traffic inspection firewall will detect and block the packets. The usual workaround is to use a third party remote desktop product such as Teamviewer; this places over the end user a burden that should be solved by the infrastructure.

  • J1021J1021 Member
    edited August 2014

    Mark_R said: I'd like to see servers that come pre-installed with all software a person could possibly need (private usage.) this will save alot people time installing and configuring software themselves. Some of the software I'd like to see by default with such server:

    Owncloud

    Webmail + pop3 etc

    Seedbox (Deluge with remote Daemon and web-UI enabled)

    VPN (PPTP + OpenVPN) & Proxy

    SFTP & FTP

    Some other things people could be using everyday.

    It would be nice if I could rent a server that has all this installed by default, like a all-in-one package, I'd be willing to pay 50 euros/m for this if the uptime and storage is good.

    I think BuyVM already offer a lot of this with the Turnkey templates they offer.

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @pcan said:
    Not exactly. I am not a Microsoft licensing specialist so I may be in error, but I remember that the RDS CAL license is not allowed on the general service provider scenario, with resources shared between customers. This scenario needs SPLA RDS SALs (Subscriber Access Licenses), with a monthly cost that I believe is around 4$ per user. Last time I checked, it was twice the cost of the regular RDS CAL that any company could install on non-shared hardware. The Windows server license is still needed. I believe that the Windows CAL license can be avoided in this scenario; this compensates the "high" price of RDS SALs.

    I could double check on monday what our pricing is when it comes to rds cal or sal.
    I'm a tech, I don't care about the price. :) I let the customer and the sales person decide on the price.
    I tell the customer what they need, sometimes it is nice to do it that way.

  • ztec said: Why would people use this? To scam?

    Nah just messing around, I'm not a big fan of traffic exchange programs...

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep
    edited August 2014

    @MikHo said:

    @pcan @AnthonySmith
    Some rough prices (in SEK and remember that Sweden usually is expensive)
    150 / month for the Win SAL (cpu license)
    50 / month / user for the RDS CAL

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    You dont need the SAL+CAL though do you I thought it was one or the other?

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:
    You dont need the SAL+CAL though do you I thought it was one or the other?

    Depends on who you ask at Microsoft. :)
    To be on the safe side, we always do the windows user license (call it cal or sal) and then add on the rds user license.

    Since I don't have access to the current price list I can only do an educated guess that if you pay per user instead of the cpu license, you would brake even at 3 users.
    So if you calculate that you could have 30-35 users on a server the cost per user is not that much (since you have cpu license).

    I have a "dream" about a solution where the user could pick different applications and resources and everything would have a price tag.
    Rds = $X / month
    Office = $Y / month
    Exchange mail = $Z / month
    Disk = $C / gb / month

    Etc, etc......

    A complete infrastructure with Active Directory/ GPO / storage / DFS / redirected folders and central profiles.

    Bunch of RDS servers in front for the users.

    Someone with a heap load of money who wants to do this?

  • Something that support the implementation of HA Cluster (DRBD, Corosync, Pacemaker, failover/floating IP).

    Last time I did, it was at dediserve.

    I need more providers that support this at LEB prices.

  • pcanpcan Member

    @MikHo A well managed Windows infrastructure, as you depicted, may not exactly fit the current requirements of the general public. It resembles Apple products: stability and security are good, but the user is constrained to follow some rules (such as: do not save documents in random filesystem locations). Apple users are used to this. Many Windows users not so much yet, but they will have to adapt (according to the latest Microsoft trends).

    In the future, we may see some implementation of this managed desktop scenario directly from Microsoft, but it will not be the cheapest because Microsoft is used to get lavish profit margins.

    I was not aware that the RDS SAL can be licensed per processor in SPLA contracts. If someone will venture into this, it should be aware that Microsoft may change prices substantially with short notice. They already have done this last year.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    MikHo said: DFS

    You take that back!

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @pcan said:
    I was not aware that the RDS SAL can be licensed per processor in SPLA contracts. If someone will venture into this, it should be aware that Microsoft may change prices substantially with short notice. They already have done this last year.

    this year alone I've done two Microsoft license audits for customers. Companys with ~30-50 users, nothing fancy.

    Took 2 and 3 months to convince MS that the information I sent was correct, not even Microsoft staff knows how the licensing works.

    @AnthonySmith said:
    You take that back!

    Distributed File System?

  • MikHo said: Distributed File System?

    Anthony might be talking about MS-DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft)

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @Silvenga said:
    Anthony might be talking about MS-DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft)

    And so was I.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    MikHo said: Distributed File System?

    Yep!

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Yep!

    Why not?

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    MikHo said: Why not?

    It is pure evil.

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:
    It is pure evil.

    Is not! Then you are doing it wrong ;)

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    MikHo said: Is not! Then you are doing it wrong ;)

    :)

    Yeah, that is true, trust me when you get to about half a million DFS links in 2k3 shit gets real.

  • mikhomikho Member, Host Rep

    @AnthonySmith said:
    Yeah, that is true, trust me when you get to about half a million DFS links in 2k3 shit gets real.

    Guess you answered yourself there :)
    Half a million and 2K3.

  • OSX remote desktop within LEB price range with xcode support.

  • qm78qm78 Member

    How about offloaded mx spam protection - kind of spam/virus filtering proxy for one own's mail server?
    There's a free german service called spambarrier.de - at time only available in german language ...

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    @Baris said:
    OSX remote desktop within LEB price range with xcode support.

    illegal I believe :)

  • BarisBaris Member
    edited August 2014

    Yes :/

    Only two VMs are allowed on a machine as far as I know because of their wacky policy. But you asked and thats my dream :-)

    However there are some companies who offer terminal servers (like iRAPP) but pricing is very high. Does anybody know a free alternative terminal server or how a software like this works?

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