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Being everything to everyone is a sure fire recipe for disaster.
What's wrong with IPMI?
How much more profit do you think datacenters make on this? It takes time to make money, this profit would be IN ADDITION to the profit you already make in your other ventures. When you go get a loan at the bank, how long do you think it takes them to make money off you? They don't only give loans - there are other ventures there providing profit as well.
I usually have to reset it upon connection, but other than that, I love it, no waiting on someone to move you ipKVM around between machines.
Last I heard most DC's aren't profitable and are just something investors throw money at. I'm fairly sure SL's profits got posted during their buy out and it showed they owed a truck of cash.
If you have everything automated like SL where reinstalls/etc are done automatically and you can run a skeleton staff then i'm sure it's easy enough.
Francisco
@Francisco I'm not sure why an investor would throw money at something that doesn't make money?
It sucks up 0.2A+ of power. Maybe that doesn't sound like much but expand that over all of the gear we have and you have some serious power savings
Egi/HE are both very fast when it comes to KVM moving so any maintenance we need done is handled very quickly and usually not much slower than if I was to have IPMI's.
Francisco
Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Softlayer, etc, etc, etc....
Francisco
The two worst possible examples you could name... only GoDaddy is missing in that list.
They just resell theplanet for the dedi's and charge 2x the list price. Do you think you have the reach hostgator does? No, we don't either so we don't quite have their huge client base to market all these new things to
They also use nothing but desktop equipment for their dedi's. I doubt they sell many i7/i5's since they're at $150, rather they're moving lots of the Q6600's since they can get those for a dime a piece on ebay.
Francisco
No worries. Just be more careful, two words is all it takes to significantly change the meaning of a phrase.
That can be deadly :P
Never said anything of the kind. If further elaboration is necessary, though, take it to mean that some folks choose a specific market and business plan, and avoid taking on unnecessary headache. The companies you named are also rather large, and can afford to devote entire divisions to a service type. Most of the hosts here do not wish to accumulate that many staff members.
I don't think you understand so much as seem to want to take offense to things I say for some reason. I would hardly call the virtualization market a 'niche', considering just how large of an area it covers.
Looks to me like your initial post was hinting that providers who chose to operate under a Brand with a common descriptor in their name had limited themselves from ever branching out. Not so much a suggestion as a borderline questioning of competence.
I say what's on my mind, and I don't sugarcoat things. Like I said a few paragraphs up, it's as if you want to perceive what I say as some type of insult. That choice, мой друг, was yours, and yours alone.
Pay for your power/racks
Pay for either your transport to the DC or for admin hours in the DC
Pay for bandwidth
Now, lets say you use one of the very affordable racking options, either HE or Colounlimited and snag a rack for $500/m. You then sell boxes for $99/ea and can only fit 15 (an amp for a switch) to a rack due to power (HE doesn't sell more power, don't know about colounlimited). Lets say you fill the rack and don't need more BW since you got a bunch of BW sipper clients, so:
I have Half Cabinet with colounlimited from 22th May for $498 with some additions it up to $720 per month, Thanh Tran the owner i guess he is nice guy.
their ips resolve to Canada here is my Gateway198.154.100.17
http://whois.domaintools.com/198.154.100.17
A good point sir. I'm not overly familiar with the area, so I concede to your wisdom there :P
I seriously doubt this, what are your E3's drawing? Mine are 0.8A with 4 drives and a raid card and 24gb of ram
EDIT: Power on is 0.8A on my kill-a-watt
Mine are just over 1A but they're not on higher end PSU's so that's why
On our dual quads, those eat the 0.2A. A lot has improved for ipmi's/etc since my duals came to market.
We actually had to turn them off when at HE just because their strips were crappy and they only put people on 15A breakers, not 20A on 80%
Francisco
Maybe I need to sit @Adryic and bz down for a lesson on $perA
Virtualization is a niche, you even said 'some folks choose a specific market and business plan'
Definition of Niche: a distinct segment of a market.
I didn't realize you would need to hire very many more staff members to manage your reseller and dedicated customers. (I see that you sell shared hosting and reseller hosting on frantech.)
In your specific case it seems like you guys created buyvm to offer low end budget deals to keep it separate from frantech's more 'high end' offerings. This isn't at all what I'm referring to with other companies.
I wasn't questioning anyone's competence as you say. I was merely wondering why some companies choose to only offer vps and limit their selves with their brand name to one market.
This is not true at all for us at least. We have 17 resold dedicated machines.
With dedi's it's the cost and the fear of a chargeback I guess. I know of a few VPS companies that resold dedi's and got stuck with $1000+ in chargebacks (they accepted a payment for a year-up-front dedi) and then however much the host charged for the month.
I can't compete in that market, it's just too slim
If you got access to cheap hardware, by all means go for it, but if you had a choice between a dedi and a vps node, the VPS node will be your money maker.
Francisco
Fair enough sir. English is not my native, and I will occasionally mix my words.
Reseller? Likely wouldn't need additional staff... especially since we abolished the reseller system from BuyVM. Because of the demand for stock, it's uneconomical and unfair that some folks would be able to hold reservations at will for their reselling, while everyone else had to sit and wait.
As far as webhosting (shared and reseller), that was BuyShared, a project we kicked up and around mainly for amusement (and to get some use from our cPanel box). None of those plans are available anymore, actually.
Keep in mind, there are three fulltime staff members. Two of us that work the billing and ticket system. In order to start catering to Dedicated clients (even if we wanted to waste the power and hardware), that would call for additional manpower.
Not quite. Frantech offered semi-managed services at decent pricing. BuyVM started up as an experiment to test the waters in the unmanaged market... same plans, same hardware; just lower cost and no management. We decided that BuyVM was ideal for how we wanted to run things, and EOL'd the Frantech line.
I've already pointed out that, despite having 'VM' in our name, we haven't limited ourselves at all. Just like how, even though your company contains 'domain', you offer more than just reseller registration.
Interesting topic. It crossed also my mind more than once how some vps hosting companies "VM, VPS" names can be limitating for future expansion. It's not like VPS hype will last forever and this branch of hosting business will sooner or later follow shell hosting, shared hosting.. path.
No one knows what future will bring, can't 100% predict future however why limit yourself with name which is strictly vps oriented in business sphere which constantly evolve.
From example above.. BuyVM seems nice & appealing name for vps hosting company however long term I would prefer to build brand around FranTECH name. Just think further... have bigger ambitions and then stop with own datacenter idea. BuyVM datacenter? Yeah, sure...
@Spirit,
The thing is a VPS can be turned into many things in the future such as cloud etc. So I think VPS will be around for quite awhile.
Yes, of course. It can
And yet you may get ambition to expand to own little DC in future.
(just example)
Thats why I went with a generic name for my LLC and have DBA as other names under the LLC
You see... we're still talking about same thing after all :P
@aldryic you speak very good English considering it's not your first language.
He corrects my franglish all the time =\
Francisco
I don't believe in doing things halfway. It also helps that I live in the US.
Sell off your VPS brand to whomever. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.
Anyone ever use blade servers? Sometimes I see those on Craigslist for dirt cheap... wonder if you could profit with them?