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They call it Digital Ocean killer. A cloud service from Choopa/Constant: https://www.vultr.com/

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    Chupacabra :)

  • @vbap said:
    vultr block SMTP ("to avoid spam")- need to give them credit card authorisation and fax them copies of my CC in order to open up SMTP. Bummer - just wanted my fail2ban alerts...

    @DH22 said:
    There is absolutely no reason for requiring scanning back of credit card. Definitely not acceptable under PCI DSS. Very interested in Vultr but not going to sign up while policies like this are in effect. Have no issue requiring extra forms, etc for email. But never going to scan back of credit card.

    This! They need it to empty your credit card if your vps is used to send spam. I suppose you've read their use policy/spam policy properly.

    Have fun with that if your vultr vps gets compromised and is used to send spam. If a company can resort to replicating other brand and false advertising for financial benefits, it can stoop to any level to gain profit. This doesn't look like a professional company with 18 years in the industry and 10's of thousands of servers, this looks like an unscrupulous host who is reeling for easy money. Don't give them any credit card authorization/copy of your credit card. If you do so, be prepared to empty your credit card for "free credits and false advertising that this mediocre vps provider offered to reel you in".

    @amarc said:
    Blocking port 25 is bs. And while my servers only send Wordpress and similar notifications limiting me in any way is kinda bull..

    Absolutely! Why would anybody want a restricted vps from vultr when there are plenty of better providers in the market who give full access to vps without any restrictions.

  • Tokyo has stock guys!

  • root@108:~# wget -O /dev/null http://speedtest.tokyo.linode.com/100MB-tokyo.bin
    --2014-03-05 15:55:11--  http://speedtest.tokyo.linode.com/100MB-tokyo.bin
    Resolving speedtest.tokyo.linode.com (speedtest.tokyo.linode.com)... 106.187.96.148, 2400:8900::4b
    Connecting to speedtest.tokyo.linode.com (speedtest.tokyo.linode.com)|106.187.96.148|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 55.8M/s   in 1.8s    
    
    2014-03-05 15:55:13 (55.8 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
    
    root@108:~# wget -O /dev/null http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test
    --2014-03-05 15:55:29--  http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test
    Resolving cachefly.cachefly.net (cachefly.cachefly.net)... 205.234.175.175
    Connecting to cachefly.cachefly.net (cachefly.cachefly.net)|205.234.175.175|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 104857600 (100M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[======================================>] 104,857,600  112M/s   in 0.9s    
    
    2014-03-05 15:55:30 (112 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
    
  • awsonawson Member

    Why do their Tokyo location IPs have Choopa's US location :(

  • Because APNIC is dry and APNIC IPs are expensive.

  • awsonawson Member

    Ticket response:

    These updates have already been submitted to 3rd party GEOIP providers. These services should correctly reflect this location within the next 30 to 60 days.

    okay

  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited March 2014

    They just added Tokyo! I added $50 ($100) and going to test it now :)

    Note: transfer is 10x less

  • @perennate said:
    They just added Tokyo! I added $50 ($100) and going to test it now :)

    Note: transfer is 10x less

    Great! I just deployed a Tokyo node as well!

  • edanedan Member

    Finally, Tokyo! added $50 (doubled to $100).

  • Tokyo has 1/10 bandwidth of other locations, sooo sad

  • @Archie said:
    Tokyo has 1/10 bandwidth of other locations, sooo sad

    Please bear that bandwidth in Asia is extremely expensive~

  • tchentchen Member

    @seikan said:
    Please bear that bandwidth in Asia is extremely expensive~

    Not by 10x. Makes me want to use AWS Tokyo instead given how it's priced.

  • tchen said: Not by 10x. Makes me want to use AWS Tokyo instead given how it's priced.

    Actually, x10 is VERY realistic for Asia.

    EU/US BW sells at around 1USD/1EUR per Mbit - Cheapest option in Asia (HE in SG/HK, bad network) costs 7$/Mbit (on offers 5$/Mbit), any better provider (like larger HK ISPs) run at 10-20$/Mbit, good providers (regional Tier2s with i.e. PCCW and NTT) 30-40$, the monopolies (like the Korean telco conglomerate or Phillipines) 60-80$ and pure China BW without congestion (via PCCW or direct, pricing not much different - PCCW is just easier available) 100-120$/mbit.

    Thanked by 2Wintereise marrco
  • eLohkCalbeLohkCalb Member
    edited March 2014

    Well, let's see... SG > US > JP. I think you-get-what-you-pay applies as usual.

    4    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  xe-2-0-0-3600.tp-ar09.singnet.com.sg [202.166.124.149]
    5    25 ms    24 ms    33 ms  xe-5-1-0.singha.singnet.com.sg [202.166.126.1]
    6    24 ms    30 ms    84 ms  ae5-0.beck.singnet.com.sg [202.166.126.41]
    7    21 ms    31 ms    24 ms  203.208.192.97
    8    27 ms    23 ms   114 ms  ge-0-1-7-0.sngtp-dr1.ix.singtel.com [203.208.151.177]
    9   196 ms   231 ms   230 ms  203.208.178.206
    10   201 ms   230 ms   204 ms  203.208.173.130
    11   222 ms   208 ms   212 ms  ve313.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [68.142.116.45]
    12   207 ms   210 ms   226 ms  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209]
    13   213 ms   228 ms   220 ms  tge6-2.fr3.tyo3.llnw.net [203.77.184.246]
    14   230 ms   226 ms   223 ms  ve7.fr4.tyo.llnw.net [203.77.184.233]
    15   211 ms   210 ms   223 ms  ve5.fr3.tyo.llnw.net [203.77.184.205]
    16   229 ms   243 ms   228 ms  servercentral.ve701.fr3.tyo.llnw.net [203.77.185.46]
    17   232 ms   221 ms   229 ms  72.ae2.sw1.tko1.jp.scnet.net [50.31.249.198]
    18   229 ms   250 ms   232 ms  unknown.servercentral.net [50.31.249.202]
    
  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited March 2014

    seikan said: Please bear that bandwidth in Asia is extremely expensive

    This is easy to repeat without much thinking, but consider what they now have to compete against in the Asian VPS space:

    • DigitalOcean SG with the same 1TB bandwidth for $5 as in their other regions;
    • Linode Tokyo with the same 2TB bandwidth for $20 as in their other regions;
    • OVH HK with the same unmetered b/w for 10 EUR as in their other regions;
    • a dozen of local Japanese providers each offering 100 Mbit unmetered from around 1000 JPY (10 USD); don't tell me they don't want the local Japanese market, there is http://ja.vultr.com/ now, so they obviously do;
    • even smaller providers in Singapore provide better b/w packages, e.g. the latest is VPSPlaza with 1TB for $6, others include ExpertVM, IndoVirtue, OneAsiaHost, TeraFire;

    So with all this, just 100 GB of b/w with a huge overage fee unfortunately does not look impressive and "but Asia" is not an excuse.

    Thanked by 3tchen howardsl2 tommy
  • @rm_ so just because some people like selling below cost, vultr should too "because they must compete"? I don't think so :) As we say here, there are passengers for every train.

    Thanked by 2Wintereise mpkossen
  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited March 2014

    rds100 said: so just because some people like selling below cost

    You may have a case against DO, but I don't see how ALL of those I listed are suddenly "selling below cost" and yet successfully operate for years.

  • OliverOliver Member, Host Rep

    @rm_ probably because they have other far more profitable locations that can make them money. So if you have a service with them in a cheap location like Europe or the US you are likely subsidising customers with a presence in other locations (Asia).

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  • rm_ said: You may have a case against DO, but I don't see how ALL of those I listed are suddenly "selling below cost" and yet successfully operate for years.

    To be fair, what an AVERAGE VPS user uses, they easily profit on their $5/mo. However, vultr isn't as old a company, so they don't have the experience in identifying average usage.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited March 2014

    Oliver said: probably because they have other far more profitable locations that can make them money.

    So? Vultr has "12" locations too. And no, many from the list don't, e.g. all those local JP and SG providers.

  • anyone ever buy a VPS Servers JP in Vultr ?
    How speedtest server ?

  • tchentchen Member

    @eLohkCalb said:
    Well, let's see... SG > US > JP. I think you-get-what-you-pay applies as usual.

    8    27 ms    23 ms   114 ms  ge-0-1-7-0.sngtp-dr1.ix.singtel.com [203.208.151.177]
    9   196 ms   231 ms   230 ms  203.208.178.206
    10   201 ms   230 ms   204 ms  203.208.173.130
    11   222 ms   208 ms   212 ms  ve313.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [68.142.116.45]
    12   207 ms   210 ms   226 ms  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209]
    13   213 ms   228 ms   220 ms  tge6-2.fr3.tyo3.llnw.net [203.77.184.246]
    14   230 ms   226 ms   223 ms  ve7.fr4.tyo.llnw.net [203.77.184.233]
    

    203.208.178.206 and 203.208.173.130 are both singtel endpoints. Unless I'm misreading it, those two specific sjc.llnw seem to be on the western side of the submarine cable.

  • Singtel is way too large to consider peering with LLNW in their home market, so the only paths that realistically do exist are either HKIX / CoreSite or Eqx in SJC.

    HKIX is usually congested as far as Singtel's ports go -- so it went to the only place it can go.

    Bear in mind that Singtel has pops in JPIX, and both LLNW / NTT are members there too.

    Though, that said -- I don't fault them for 100GBing the allocation; it's fair.

  • tchen said: 203.208.178.206 and 203.208.173.130 are both singtel endpoints

    Yes those are singtel points but they are physically located in the US.

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  • ztecztec Member

    Just checking back in. Did it kill DO yet?

  • It's good to see them add locations now, but their DDoS protection is still nonexistent.

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