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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    I’m not reading all of this politics nonsense, you all should practise some self control

    Meditate or jerk off, choice is yours

    Now, does Aeza lie about their locations?

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  • zGatozGato Member

    @emgh said:
    Now, does Aeza lie about their locations?

    I think it's very clear, they've even admitted it themselves. Check a few comments above.

    Thanked by 2emgh 10thHouse
  • mwmw Member
    edited July 2024

    @emgh said:

    I’m not reading all of this politics nonsense, you all should practise some self control

    Meditate or jerk off, choice is yours

    Now, does Aeza lie about their locations?

    Yes, and they did a shit job at dodging my direct question about it on Telegram

    Basically if you have a server in EU, it’s actually in Hetzner Finland

    Thanked by 2emgh 10thHouse
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Thanks guys. What a shitty move. Any mods here? Isn’t this basically a scam?

    I asked in their chat where Stockholm is hosted awhile ago, they straight up said Interxion. No mention of it being Hetzner at all.

    Thanked by 210thHouse sasslik
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Makes this basically just a page of lies: https://aeza.net/data-center

    Thanked by 3mw 10thHouse xvps
  • mwmw Member

    @emgh said:
    Thanks guys. What a shitty move. Any mods here? Isn’t this basically a scam?

    I asked in their chat where Stockholm is hosted awhile ago, they straight up said Interxion. No mention of it being Hetzner at all.

    Thanked by 2emgh 10thHouse
  • zGatozGato Member
    edited July 2024

    @mikewazar said:

    @emgh said:

    I’m not reading all of this politics nonsense, you all should practise some self control

    Meditate or jerk off, choice is yours

    Now, does Aeza lie about their locations?

    Yes, and they did a shit job at dodging my direct question about it on Telegram

    Basically if you have a server in EU, it’s actually in Hetzner Finland

    And Hetzner Germany.
    (London is in Cyxtera's LHR2 though, and not anycasted)
    (Moscow in MMTS-9, and same as London, not anycasted)

    Outside of Europe, US is also a real non-Hetzner location. Their geofeed publishes as Los Angeles, but the servers are in Denver. No clue about which DC.

    TR & HK were also real locations, but they're going to be decomissioned soon.

    Thanked by 2emgh ikibsys
  • zGatozGato Member

    @emgh said:
    Makes this basically just a page of lies: https://aeza.net/data-center

    yup

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • Yes I agree, liar host hope LET will do some thing about this, not really fair to sell like this.

    Thanked by 2emgh 10thHouse
  • zGatozGato Member
    edited July 2024

    @mikewazar so that guy is telling you that the servers are located where they say on that page but then Aeza comes here and says "All our European VPS are hosted on servers from Hetzner". What is this shitshow

    But well, honestly, not too difficult to figure it out. I though they did this anycast stuff for mitigating DDoS attacks or something like that, but weirdly enough, they don't anycast their real locations that are outside of Hetzner's network. My Vienna server has also always had quite huge latency to servers that should be like few km away... (17ms is quite huge for a speedtest to a local ISP, but easy to check that a traceroute to that server has its 2nd hop to some edge router from Aeza in Frankfurt)

  • mwmw Member

    @zGato said:
    @mikewazar so that guy is telling you that the servers are located where they say on that page but then Aeza comes here and says "All our European VPS are hosted on servers from Hetzner". What is this shitshow

    But well, honestly, not too difficult to figure it out. I though they did this anycast stuff for mitigating DDoS attacks or something like that, but weirdly enough, they don't anycast their real locations that are outside of Hetzner's network. My Vienna server has also always had quite huge latency to servers that should be like few km away... (17ms is quite huge for a speedtest to a local ISP, but easy to check that a traceroute to that server has its 2nd hop to some edge router from Aeza in Frankfurt)

    read their posts. they have in the past justified setup fees on servers hetzner themselves sell without a setup fee, saying the fee is used to fund the server being setup because they test, rack, and incur costs thag hetzner dont

    so they not only bullshit their locations, they skim off something that they get for free and lie

    @AezaHost you are the shadiest host i have ever seen

    Thanked by 110thHouse
  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    No more political BS!!

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  • @WhiteRoseG said:
    Yes I agree, liar host hope LET will do some thing about this, not really fair to sell like this.

    mods won't do shit. behold the power of bilohbucks

    Thanked by 1sasslik
  • KrisKris Member

    yes, they lie about the locations of nodes. that stockholm node you have? it's in london. it only routes outbound via stockholm which is a tunnel 7ms away

    Example 'Sweden' IP inbound MTR : 147.45.75.1

     9. datacamp-ic-362025.ip.twelve99-c  0.0%    25   85.1  86.2  83.1  92.7   2.6
    10. vl203.lon-cyx2-dist-2.cdn77.com   0.0%    25   83.6  87.2  81.2 113.6   6.4
    11. scientific-boundary.aeza.network  0.0%    25   86.8  87.5  81.9 118.6   7.4
    

    Let's check to make sure it's really LON / CYX2: https://www.jsdelivr.com/globalping?measurement=I8qr5qwnRbC5iqTs

    Yeah.

    But MTR only shows one direction, for their magical mystery locations, suddenly London based server is 'Sweden' from a GRE tunnel over to a Datapacket uplink in Stockholm.

    Outbound MTR from that IP:

     Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
     1. _gateway                          0.0%    10    0.2   0.5   0.2   3.5   1.0
     2. sto4-edge.aeza.network            0.0%    10    7.1   7.1   7.0   7.7   0.3
     3. unn-121-127-46-124.datapacket.co  0.0%    10    7.2   7.5   7.0   9.0   0.7
     4. vl202.sto-itx-core-2.cdn77.com    0.0%    10   69.4  13.6   7.1  69.4  19.6
     5. vl250.sto-itx-core-1.cdn77.com    0.0%    10    7.1   8.8   7.1  17.6   3.4
     6. ???
     7. be2759.ccr21.sto03.atlas.cogentc  0.0%    10    8.7   8.4   8.1   8.7   0.2
     8. be4593.ccr21.sto01.atlas.cogentc  0.0%    10    8.8   8.9   8.8   9.2   0.1
     9. 149.6.169.66                      0.0%    10    8.6   8.8   8.4   9.2   0.2
    10. one.one.one.one                   0.0%     9    8.3   8.2   7.8   8.4   0.2
    

    Google:

     1. _gateway                          0.0%    11    0.2   0.2   0.1   0.2   0.0
     2. sto6-edge.aeza.network            0.0%    11    7.7   7.5   7.3   8.1   0.3
     3. unn-121-127-46-124.datapacket.co  0.0%    10    7.4   7.8   7.4  10.2   0.9
     4. vl201.sto-itx-core-1.cdn77.com    0.0%    10    7.6   7.5   7.4   7.6   0.1
     5. dns.google                        0.0%    10    8.7   9.2   8.2  15.5   2.2
    

    Hope that makes up for the politics.

    tl;dr - sweden is UK. but outbound... it's 'sweden', probably over a 1Gbps GRE tunnel in a data center, hence the dank 100Mbps uplink.

  • totototototo Member

    I'm not very knowledgeable about this, so I'm confused. Why are the results different when coming from Sweden versus from London?

    https://www.jsdelivr.com/globalping?measurement=sK9I7aa4oQ9J8VwA

    Stockholm, SE, EU - HostHatch, LLC (AS63473) Time:0 ms
    Host                                                            Loss% Drop Rcv  Avg  StDev  Javg 
    1. AS63473  _gateway (31.220.5.1)                                0.0%    0   3 15.8    4.3  13.6
    2. AS60068  unn-156-146-32-142.cdn77.com (156.146.32.142)        0.0%    0   3  0.4    0.1   0.3
    3. AS???    vl204.sto-itx-dist-2.cdn77.com (79.127.192.37)       0.0%    0   3  0.3    0.1   0.2
    4. AS210644 scientific-boundary.aeza.network (147.45.75.1)       0.0%    0   3  0.2    0.0   0.1
    
    Stockholm, SE, EU - Amazon.com, Inc. (AS16509) Time: 31 ms
    Host                                                                      Loss% Drop Rcv  Avg  StDev  Javg 
    15. AS3491   DataCamp-Hu0-0-0-24.br02.ldn03.as3491.net (63.218.207.218)    0.0%    0   3 31.8    0.1  16.0
    16. AS60068  vl203.lon-cyx2-dist-2.cdn77.com (138.199.0.77)                0.0%    0   3 31.1    0.1  15.6
    17. AS210644 scientific-boundary.aeza.network (147.45.75.1)                0.0%    0   3 30.5    0.1  15.4
    
  • LeviLevi Member

    Lethost:

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  • zGatozGato Member
    edited July 2024

    @Kris said:
    yes, they lie about the locations of nodes. that stockholm node you have? it's in london. it only routes outbound via stockholm which is a tunnel 7ms away

    There's only 14ms from AlexHost Tallberg location so it's geographically impossible the server is in London.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • kaitkait Member

    @Kris said: Let's check to make sure it's really LON / CYX2

    You sure that isn't their router prefix that they anycast? 1ms from Frankfurt can't be London, 1ms from Amsterdam so that can't be Frankfurt but maybe London, 4ms from Prague, so that could be Frankfurt but not Amsterdam or London. Or when we do a traceoroute from finland, its definitly Frankfurt:

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2024

    @kait said: You sure that isn't their router prefix that they anycast? 1ms from Frankfurt can't be London, 1ms from Amsterdam so that can't be Frankfurt but maybe London, 4ms from Prague, so that could be Frankfurt but not Amsterdam or London. Or when we do a traceoroute from finland, its definitly Frankfurt:

    It's interesting though because of the TCP connect results @zGato posted

  • kaitkait Member

    @emgh said: It's interesting though because of the TCP connect results @zGato did

    He didn't show london in it but its 40ms compared to 14ms AlexHost Tallberg Sweden :joy: Same goes for the IP Kris mentioned. I was mostly just making fun of him trying to de research and failing to proof a point.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    prove me wrong @kait

  • kaitkait Member

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    prove me wrong @kait

    I will prove you right, because you are right <3

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  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    Yu no like basement?

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @kait said:

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    prove me wrong @kait

    I will prove you right, because you are right <3

    <3

    @sh97 said:

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    Yu no like basement?

    m y i m ask if vp s can be move it move it to basement Regards

    Thanked by 2sh97 Peppery9
  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:

    @kait said:

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    prove me wrong @kait

    I will prove you right, because you are right <3

    <3

    @sh97 said:

    @emgh said:
    my theory is that it's hosted on a spacex satellite

    Yu no like basement?

    m y i m ask if vp s can be move it move it to basement Regards

    Hello, that it s possible. Check you dm
    Regards

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  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep

    @kait said:

    @Kris said: Let's check to make sure it's really LON / CYX2

    You sure that isn't their router prefix that they anycast? 1ms from Frankfurt can't be London, 1ms from Amsterdam so that can't be Frankfurt but maybe London, 4ms from Prague, so that could be Frankfurt but not Amsterdam or London. Or when we do a traceoroute from finland, its definitly Frankfurt:

    Termination of ICMP != physical location

    Technically neither does TCP but its more likely than not due to the increased difficulty of remote termination.

    At the end of the day its in the best interest of a bulletproof host to be vauge. It won't protect them against the law, but it does buy them a couple days and aid in a comfortable sleep.

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  • kaitkait Member

    @SplitIce said: Termination of ICMP != physical location

    Technically neither does TCP but its more likely than not due to the increased difficulty of remote termination.

    At the end of the day its in the best interest of a bulletproof host to be vauge. It won't protect them against the law, but it does buy them a couple days and aid in a comfortable sleep.

    Yeah, but Sweden isn't in London :wink:

  • xvpsxvps Member

    Don't forget privacy laws and where you personal data is being stored.

    A MX lookup of both aeza.net and aeze.ru = 194.26.229.253 (same server)

    traceroute to 194.26.229.253 (194.26.229.253), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
     1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  3.272 ms  3.245 ms  2.785 ms
     2  100.68.0.1 (100.68.0.1)  13.619 ms  18.256 ms  21.370 ms
     3  ae20-0.arcnqp8.dk.ip.tdc.net (93.167.196.29)  12.602 ms  12.454 ms  12.503 ms
     4  ae3-0.khk7nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net (83.88.2.35)  12.678 ms  12.483 ms  12.566 ms
     5  peer-as3356.khk7nqp7.dk.ip.tdc.net (128.76.59.25)  14.328 ms  14.326 ms  14.377 ms
     6  * * *
     7  edn-sovinte.ear2.stockholm2.level3.net (62.140.24.22)  22.237 ms  23.215 ms  21.676 ms
     8  * * *
     9  research.vtbcapital.ru (194.67.28.210)  197.930 ms
        195.239.71.38 (195.239.71.38)  41.763 ms  42.699 ms
    10  * * *
    11  mail.aeza.net (194.26.229.253)  42.822 ms * *
    12  mail.aeza.net (194.26.229.253)  43.023 ms  40.970 ms  41.530 ms
    

    Despite they claim to be a UK business and follow UK laws their mail server is in Ruzzia.

  • KrisKris Member
    edited July 2024

    @kait said: Yeah, but Sweden isn't in London

    No, it isn't their gateway, it's a VPS on a subnet assigned to Sweden.

    How about that MTR outbound?

    7ms to the uplink:

     1. _gateway                          0.0%    11    0.2   0.2   0.1   0.2   0.0
     2. sto6-edge.aeza.network            0.0%    11    7.7   7.5   7.3   8.1   0.3
     3. unn-121-127-46-124.datapacket.co  0.0%    10    7.4   7.8   7.4  10.2   0.9
     4. vl201.sto-itx-core-1.cdn77.com    0.0%    10    7.6   7.5   7.4   7.6   0.1
    

    @SplitIce said: At the end of the day its in the best interest of a bulletproof host to be vauge. It won't protect them against the law, but it does buy them a couple days and aid in a comfortable sleep.

    Yeah that. Who knows what routing games they're playing, but the MTR outbound don't lie. It's 7ms from Stockholm, Sweden. You can play with stuff inbound, but a GRE tunnel outbound is pretty obvious.

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @xvps said:
    9 research.vtbcapital.ru (194.67.28.210) 197.930 ms

    "research" by a company owned by the Russian government.

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