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looks like not doubled wait time, but 10x faster than the thread
its ready to use now 😁
btw thank's and Happy anniversary @hosthatch !
I ordered 2 servers and paid for them but they display this line, is it normal?
"This server is in a pending state and may be awaiting its invoice to be paid for or is still being built."
Very normal. From the first post... @hosthatch mentions...
What is the setup time?
The setup time is 10 working days (2 weeks).
Thanks
Fow someone who need yabs in SG
Yeah that's how I interpreted as well.. from a CPU load average perspective:
6 CPU cores (2 dedicated, 4 fair-shared cores)means, your load average can be 2.0 24/7.. but it can raise up to 6.0 on "fair share" levels/bursts, but not consistently.
2 CPU cores (0.5 dedicated core, 1.5 fairly shared cores)means, your load average can be .5 24/7.. but you can have it raise to 2.0 on occasions.. sound right @hosthatch?
I can't seem to find it in your AUP, but are there any numbers on what you consider "fair" or does that depend on how active the node is?
I just got my first VM activated
.. @hosthatch suggestion for the next version of your panel: it would be nice if you started the billing cycle on the VM provision date and not the purchase date. If a customer pays for a year, and it takes 2 weeks to provision, it should be a year from that date.
Edit #2: Also, a "paste" feature for console would be appreciated as well.
Also: cot damn! this panel is pretty.
Edit: should snapshots return "Sorry, the page you are looking for could not be found." ?
You need to look at CPU usage rather than load average. Load average doesn't always correlate with CPU usage.
You can have a high load average with very low CPU usage, if processes are blocked on I/O. Load average is the number of processes currently running on the CPU (maximum 6 if you have 6 threads), plus the number of processes that would be using the CPU but are in an uninterruptible sleep state, blocked by something (usually I/O, but it could also be CPU time if CPU usage is at 100%).
You can see this with NFS if you connect to an NFS server but then the server becomes unreachable (e.g. you shut it down). For example, the load average could be a bit over 30 if 30 processes are blocked waiting for files from the NFS share, even though CPU usage might be close to 0%.
The opposite is true though: High CPU usage will always result in higher load average.
They usually update the billing cycle date, eventually.
Virtualization supported?
I ordered a Singapore 24GB VPS, but they deployed it in Poland instead. I have opened a support ticket and hope they will resolve the issue with my VPS soon.
Should be based on YABS.
Gotcha!
YABS in Stockholm
OK, so they are not dedicated cores.
N dedicated cores and N*100% CPU usage allowance are two totally different things. Your offer is still well priced for the latter but please use correct terms. The "6 CPU cores (2 dedicated, 4 fair-shared cores)" can only be read as 2 cores are dedicated which is apparently not true.
It is rare to combine dedicated and non-dedicated cores so I asked just to be sure... I'm glad I didn't waste my money.
I don't understand your hostility here?
VPS absolutely work, like those from Hetzner Cloud or Netcup (but in limited locations, hence I was interested in your offer...), as long as CPU cores are actually dedicated and guaranteed not to freeze for 10 milliseconds randomly (ie no steal)
Not sure why I have to explain this to someone who's in the industry for years tbh
@sputek I’d call you way more rude than @hosthatch, although, sure, his initial tone could have been more professional, but I also appreciate him being himself and honest
Also, are you comparing against Hetzner’s normal ”dedicated” line? I’m not sure if those cores are pinned, but I don’t believe so
Also, their 16GB is €24.49/mo and their 32GB is €48.49, let’s say that they’d charge €36.49 if they actually offered a 24GB version
The 24GB offer is (without the 2-year discount) $9.58/mo (albeit paid yearly). That’s €8.99 or over four times as much per month
Therefore, it’s not even comparable. I do agree that the marketing around cores sucks (how did we even get to the point where it should just be understood that a core actually is a thread..?) but that goes for almost any provider in existance
@hosthatch what are the fair use limits and how do you handle ”abuse”, by limiting to the dedicated cores, by notifying the user, or by other means?
Edit: I regularely open up Spreadsheets and see if for some reason I can create value in this market and start something up. I do offer managed hosting through my company, but I haven’t yet even theoretically been able to make it work selling VPS at LET pricing. This offer is crazy competitive when you calculate the economics of it
Yes they are. At any time, you can request for the fair shared cores to be removed from your server, to have only dedicated cores. That is the definition of dedicated CPU. You will see as close to 0 steal as possible once you do that.
If you think DigitalOcean dedicated CPU cores, which likely cost 10x more, are pinned to your VM, then you have another surprise coming.
Can you share your steal graph from both of these providers, showing 0.0% steal over a long period of time? I don't even have 0.0% steal on my baremetals, but obviously you seem to know more as you have suggested with the kind "Not sure why I have to explain this to someone who's in the industry for years tbh", so please enlighten me, but with actual data and graphs, thanks.
The only way you get 0.0% steal on a public cloud VM is by patching your kernels, which we do not, our of respect to transparency. But again, as you have suggested that you know far more than me, so I look forward to being enlightened by your new data.
Nevermind, took a quick look at your profile, you signed up to make these comments to stir this up, so I will let it go and let the discussion go back to the big boys
I don't think @hosthatch being hostile here. Just stating facts. Although surely could've been worded better.
With that being said, surely we can discuss it further. I would also wanna know more about how "dedicated" is being defined (at least for @hosthatch's services).
Edit: saw more explanation being given now.
@hosthatch I apologize if I sounded rude. That was my intention, but I wanted to confirm I wasn't going to purchase something I can't use.
I don't see clock jumps on Hetzner Cloud "dedicated vCPU" line so I assume it is pinned. The cheapest plan costs about €12.49 for 2 dedicated cores. With much less RAM, yes, but I don't need that much so I ignored the difference. Same with bandwidth allocation. Netcup is cheaper, and also doesn't have jumps (caveat is that they're only in Europe).
I'm not saying HostHatch's offering is bad. I argue however it's incorrectly labelled as "dedicated CPU" when it's not.
Hetzner Cloud hides steal from VM guests so it is stuck at 0. Anyone can confirm it. Doesn't necessarily mean there is no actual steal, but I don't observe any indication of it.
Not a current customer of Netcup. Can someone post the first lines of /proc/stat on their dedicated lines?
What? Indeed, you seem to have no knowledge about how steal works. CPU steal time accounting is done by the VM host. Guest queries the value in the MSR. Naturally, you have no steal on baremetal (nor surprise CPU freeze). Check your /proc/stat.
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/virtual/kvm/msr.txt
Singapore Node
YABS
Great, so not a single graph or actual data then, good argument. You can continue believing whatever you want, and you are welcome to use any of the other providers that are more true in their marketing.
There will be Ubuntu 24.04 LTS available any time soon ?
The entire ISO and Template lineup could be refreshed.. most are over a year old. You can of course just update it or for instance upgrade from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 but it's inconvenient.
Indeed, it's one of those things that is on the todo list. Hopefully by the end of this week.
Just got a server, super solid for what I use it for, and the price is unbeatable.
I installed Windows just to test it and saw that the CPU was only 2 instead of 6. Is this a mistake or what is the reason?
Most likely licensing/Windows limitations.
2 CPU cores (0.5 dedicated core, 1.5 fairly shared cores) ROME/MILAN
6 GB RAM
75 GB NVMe storage
10 TB premium bandwidth
$85.00 / Triennially