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Enjoy your open source encryption and OS (Linux) - and BACKDOORS!
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Not overly surprising. It's the perfect opportunity to flesh out everyone's favorite pet subject or post their most clever slogans. All of that gets further fueled by scatter shot contributions going over 20 topics, which each could basically fill books, in 2-3 sentences per item. End result: Nothing much at all.
Im not sure which topics and parties you are referring too
Well, debatable laws are debatable laws and conflicts are conflicts. Beyond that i'll just leave my post to be interpreted by the curious reader as i have very little interest in getting involved in this. With a little bit of a distanced view it shouldn't be too hard to see anyways.
I see.
I did the math, knowing telegram has over 900 million active users where at least 10% is born criminal and some other percentage is influenced in being criminal during conflict. there's no way one runs their business with such numbers without automated systems
Oh yeah, totally. That's why I stopped actually giving more than 1/4 shits with my replies.
Fair enough. And it is interesting. I would have, other than GB maybe guessed France, but Belgium, Ireland and the Netherlands? Damn. I'd just hope the law doesn't really change in Germany.
Telegram hasn't shared a single byte of userdata if you ignore the times they did, for example not to get banned in the Country wanting the data.
Yeah, chances of some lonely Indian going through messages occasionally sending out a notice reading "STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!" are probably more than just extremely low.
Yeah, i'm actually kind of surprised that they didn't go along with this yet. Given all the draconian police laws most (all?) states have passed in recent years i'd have thought making passwords fair game would just be pushed through with little discussion or opposition at all.
From a purely technical angle it's not that big of deal though. All it really means is that one has to take care of guaranteeing plausible deniability. I kind of wonder why there isn't more discussion about this given all the developments but i figure practical cases are probably not that often about disk encryption but rather phones, accounts and such.
Well, at least that's what they are saying publicly. It's not like i have any evidence that would contradict their statements or want to imply that they did something like that but in general keeping quiet about cooperating could very much be in the interest of all parties involved (aside from the person being leaked/spied on obviously).
Telegram is running custom encryption (something pretty much every cryptography expert will advise against) after all and by default a lot is transmitted (and stored) unencrypted as far as i know, so they could probably get at quite a lot of data if they wanted.
My biggest gripe with Telegram is still the phone number requirement though. I understand that it's likely kind of an anti-spam measure but if they were that big on privacy i feel they should have looked into alternatives and not require something, which in a lot of places is not available anonymously unless the user invests some noticeable effort into skirting local regulations.
I'd say there has been some discussion on news outlets covering such things, but well, it just isn't mainstream. Say the recent bust of a big illegal marketplace, no real technical detail given and more just: "Interwebs criminals exist?"
If needed yeah. Sometimes LR plans seizures or similar so it can be assured data/a device is already encrypted.
I'm waaay to lazy to find it, but Telegram did share data, for example to the BKA. Also similar when Durov even travels to countries to get agreements.
Edit: Okay that was actually really easy once I remembered.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230130060755/https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/telegram-125.html
https://www.ndr.de/der_ndr/presse/mitteilungen/Ministerium-bestaetigt-erstmals-Telegram-gibt-Nutzerdaten-an-deutsche-Sicherheitsbehoerden,pressemeldungndr23418.html
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IXoR7_S1xo -
Quite in-depth showcase of Telegram and it's independence, really the best Strg+f doku ever, before they kinda went to shit. iykyk blah blah blah.
but yeah, a tad bit off-topic.
I mean, non encrypted phone numbers and mostly non encrypted messages. I'd guess IP-Addresses aren't secured well enough as well.
Yeah. In an efford to make a fairly bot-prove (not really, but you know), yet newbie friendly system, stuff like that gets added early on and never changes (unless you buy they shitcoin and then buy an overpriced +888 number). There are of course other fairly easy and legal ways to get pretty much any number such as online providers, but that isn't something telegram would think of (only to block them).
Well, aside from getting a foreign SIM card (UK, Romania and so on) the most straight forward way is to just go to a flea market and look for a guy selling cellphone equipment. Often times there's also SIM cards on offer (side business of some little phone shop) and i'd say chances are like 50/50 they'll activate the card for you without even asking your name, let alone any kind of ID. If you tell them that you don't have any identification with you and just provide some bullshit data the probability of you walking away with an anonymous SIM card will likely approach 100 percent. At least that's how it used to be a couple years ago.
Chances are the first version probably isn't even illegal (for you) as you did nothing wrong (i mean, hey, what are you supposed to do if you ask for activation and the guy just tells you to come back in 5 minutes?). I'd just be very curious whose name they put those cards under. I don't think just giving a bunch of Xs is going to work as they are using their reseller access with the network provider to activate the cards.
”my i m have no id”
/r/iamverysmart
nagh , he is fighting the decadent west fiercely on western website to revenge his hordes that lost on the frontline
Eh, not too sure bout that. A) you gotta go outside (that joke was funnier in my head) and well, what are you going to look for? I'd guess most phones have a SIM in them, do they?
Often times there's also SIM cards on offer (side business of some little phone shop) and i'd say chances are like 50/50 they'll activate the card for you without even asking your name, let alone any kind of ID. If you tell them that you don't have any identification with you and just provide some bullshit data the probability of you walking away with an anonymous SIM card will likely approach 100 percent. At least that's how it used to be a couple years ago.
I mean, yeah. If they have a logo of Lebara, Ortel etc. they usually have activated cards already (though dunno that is in other countries)You don't even have to give em fake info, that only worked pre 2017.
iirc they have them preregistered on their companies (as if for employees), not too sure though. Just X"s wouldn't work due to ID requirement for individuals though.
Pretty easy: The same paper packaging you see in supermarkets or gas stations. It's basically brand new SIMs.
Well, it still works when the guy entering the data into the network providers system doesn't check IDs. As for the Lebara, Ortel or similar cards. These are usually imported cards from countries with no registration requirements. Given those providers by default target an international audience it's kinda obvious why those get usually chosen. Sometimes it's also cards that got activated by the same kind of dodgy resellers that are also doing it as needed but for those kind of providers i figure the chances of being handed an import is way higher. In any case officially pre-activated cards destined for Germany don't exist.
Hmm, my best guess would really be that they enter some foreign data (either fake or real) that can't really be checked or targeted during an investigation. Given that a lot of those cards are probably bought by people having very specific requirements entering their own data would likely become a hassle soon as they'd be the ones getting visits as soon as these numbers are found to be somehow involved in crime.
ID check doesn't apply here as the guys selling the cards are really the ones who would be supposed to do this but they simply don't. The have access to the networks internal registration system and as soon as they vouch for the data having been verified by an ID (even if it really hasn't) that's how the network is actually going to treat it. I've actually seen the activation manual (well really nothing but a single piece of paper with a couple check marks) for Vodafone resellers. First point is "Check your clients ID to get their data" and if that simply never happens any kind of data can enter the system.
Eh alright. I've never seen that on any flea market.
Well of course they don't officially exist, that'd be illegal. Though I've never been asked an ID to buy them (in said stores) ever, and I'd say it'd not just the store owner manually activating them. We'll never know ig.
Well, I'm not sure as too what extend (most) store owners actually want their sims to be anonymous (some do actually charge extra, so, well, they know what they're doing), that might be it. It's registered over a company which then puts some sort of invaild data as their employee data.
Not neccessarly. Videoident/Postident exists for that reason. It used to be the case, but they didn't want to give casheers and store owners more responsibities (e.g. this )
The have access to the networks internal registration system and as soon as they vouch for the data having been verified by an ID (even if it really hasn't) that's how the network is actually going to treat it. I've actually seen the activation manual (well really nothing but a single piece of paper with a couple check marks) for Vodafone resellers. First point is "Check your clients ID to get their data" and if that simply never happens any kind of data can enter the system.
Oh, alright. Well that kind of destorys almost everything I've said before, should have read the comment in total. Just to be sure, that was post 2017, right?
Edit: also midly interesting, https://reddit.com/r/AskAGerman/comments/1bhlqim/lebara_sim_card_is_it_scum/ for some background info
Why did the OP change his avatar from the logo of the Russian Military Commissariat, to
fusionpbx?
Who cares.
He's around long enough. People make it too personal.
I care. If fusionpbx are associated with a person who calls dead civilians meat toppings then i don't want to use that product.
And not saying this is you but, where do you draw the line on "who cares" ? If overhearing a rape through the apartment wall, should we think? "not my problem".
If he said the things he said in real public life, he would be held accountable somehow.
What if he's the next high school shooter and we didn't care?
I haven't seen anything like that in this thread, just a bunch of morons trying to make the discussion personal. So, how is your question, personal related attack related to this thread?
You're just as annoying as him, or even more as you're off-topic.
"Why did the OP change his avatar from the logo of the Russian Military Commissariat, to
fusionpbx?"
What answer do you expect?
There's this thread at https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/177624/the-russia-vs-ukraine-thread-lets-not-derail-other-threads that I'm sure no sane person would follow. Please keep your content in this thread so the rest of us won't have to go through this specific non-tech-related content in every random thread.
If they are selling imported SIM cards getting your data would make no sense anyways as they'd have no place to put it. A lot of countries had (and some likely still have) SIM cards requiring zero registration - not even something like the silly German pre-2017 forms where everyone (absolutely truthfully) stated being Alf from Melmac. At worst you'll have to make a random outgoing call after putting it in your phone to activate those.
Edit: I guess it's also possible that those shops get some foreign SIM cards requiring some type of registration similar to the German pre-2017 form and simply mass register these on bogus data to sell as pre-activated.
Absolutely. The last time i've personally seen this was in 2020, i think.
Hehe, yeah. That sounds exactly like what those dodgy resellers/partners would do. The guy probably just walked into some little phone shop and asked for a SIM card, just to be handed one registered to who-the-fuck-knows without any further comment.
I don't really think it's a problem specific to Lebara, Lyca, Ortel and so on though. These type of ehno-providers are just really popular with the milieus that tend to operate these kind of shops.
ill point it out for you then Mumbly.
He starts a thread called "Enjoy your open source encryption and OS (Linux) - and BACKDOORS!" then changes his avatar from the Russian military bullshit to the logo of a tool that you install on LINUX
Didn't realise i was opening multiple conspiracy theory threads . Ill cut down.
@Mumbly said: Who cares.
He's around long enough. People make it too personal.
why do you care ? and why did you take it so personal Mumbly?
Personally I care that this fool gets the medical help he needs. He'll still be a fool though just a happier one.
How it is off-topic? Does he support this Linux pbx based tool, kind of contradicts the title of the thread.
Why would he use this pbx tool if Linux is the only option ?
I don't expect one. I can only guess why.
So you "don't care" but now you care ? at least you cared enough to get a like from the OrcBots.
Didn't Americans start by eliminating Huawei from the market on the grounds that they're snooping? And now they want to do the same?
) In Romania, we have a saying, 'The thief cries thief!
Not only that but these kind of inhumane stances can be found pretty much verbatim in that thread. Take a guess who was never been bothered the slightest... Total hypocritical shitshow.
It's best to simply ignore those guys. Anything else just gives them an excuse to dump even more annoying nonsense and drag one into pointless arguments. Admittedly that's not exactly ideal but then life is short.
telegrams owner had his previous business compromised and taken over by the Russian government . That's why he started telegram.
As for Linux and or FOSS having backdoors, In UK we have a saying. 'prove it'
@nocloud
You served me another bunch of random irrelevant crap. How about to gtfo to a proper thread https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/177624/the-russia-vs-ukraine-thread-lets-not-derail-other-threads if you want to discuss with people actually interested in your personal mental issues?
How's it irrelevant? The OP changed his avatar to a product that only works on Linux.
You read the thread title right?
Really big deal ...
Seems like it is to you.
I just asked the question, you were the one who "Didn't Care", you didn't care enough to write 4 posts on the matter.
And now you seem to be really upset. Like the OP you seem to be very contradictory in what you say, compared to your actions.
There's nothing contradictory in my writing. I responded solely to your personal attacks against another forum member. You act as if you're something better, but in reality, you're just one shitty personality with personal agenda more.
If I'm correct, your main issue with him is that he's Russian (if I'm not mistaken), right? But the fact is, he was Russian even a decade or more ago when he became a member of this forum, and people didn't attack each other based on nationality.
And for the record, I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but this does not make it okay for me to attack him on a personal level.
For the third time, if you have so many personal issues with all those things, please bring them to the https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/177624/the-russia-vs-ukraine-thread-lets-not-derail-other-threads so that the rest of us won't have to read people's personal issues with every random Russian forum member in every tech-related thread.