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I would love to hear why you hate it so much. Which distro/s did you try, which desktop environment/s?
Always Debian since 2011
+1 i used to do that too with windows.
Now i would feel the same if i used Windows for a week, I would just need to get back to linux asap.
Yer i love debian too. Might move back depending on how bookworm feels when it drops in a couple of months.
Debian+KDE = heaven
For Debian lovers, also check out Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), it's really outstanding: https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
I've tested it extensively and it's basically on feature parity with regular Linux Mint Cinnamon. Other than Debian sources vs Ubuntu sources, the differences are minor, I won't go into the details in this thread, but basically, I find LMDE to be equal to or better than regular LM. Right now, as I understand it, the LM team uses LMDE as kind of a "backup plan" in case they want to (or need to) split off the Ubuntu repositories entirely, but it's been really solid for years and IMO, LMDE could be the best Debian distro for desktops out there. It's really good. Sometimes I install LMDE instead of LM, and I love it. I might even be migrating entirely over to LMDE. And eventually, I hope the LM team will make LMDE the default version of Linux Mint, and then also offer MATE and Xfce on it as well.
Anyway, there's a good distro option out there for everyone.
Speaking of productivity on Linux vs MacOS vs Windows, I find my productivity took a hit when I initially migrated to Linux, like some others have mentioned, but in recent years, it reached parity, and then surpassed my productivity in Win/Mac.
I'm so comfortable with so many Linux tools now, that I can get up and running on a bare metal machine, with all the tools I need, WAY faster than even on MacOS. Now, when I use Win/Macs, I find I'm missing a lot of the tools I'm used to, and I need to get back to Linux asap.
And lately, I don't know about you, but I feel with each new release of Windows or MacOS, it feels more and more like Microsoft and Apple are creating an "appliance" and "subscription" kind of experience and relationship with the OS and OS developer, where I am slowly but surely losing my status as the true "owner" of the computer. From the Microsoft/Apple account sign-in approach from top to bottom integration, to the app stores, to the cloud integrations, to the payment information, to the telemetry and privacy information that is collected, and so forth. Goes on and on. It gets progressively worse with each big Win/MacOS update. While on the other hand, Linux puts me right back in the driver's seat. It's my hardware, my OS, my choices, my information. It's a reversal of the "appliance" and "subscription" trend, which matters to some people (myself included).
Main thing with Linux desktop distros for any one considering it, is take a little time to explore the options. There are (arguably) WAY too many options, so it's an overload, I know. So take your time, enjoy the exploration, and you might just find the perfect combo for your needs. Maybe not, and that's fine too. Linux will still be waiting for you in the future if it doesn't work out this time.
I am not a gamer so I would actually go down the path you suggest here if I want to try a game.
But I think that if someone does want the best gaming experience and best performance, Windows is the way to go. I don't doubt that Linux has gotten much better at running Windows games, but it's certainly not the best way.
If you don't mind Gnome (I hate it) give Pop OS a try, it's actually good for a Gnome DE.
Windows ofcourse. Linux is for my VMs.
Been mainly using Fedora.
Dual boot: Windows 11 / Ubuntu 22.10.
Linux Mint xfce (with kvm/qemu for running win10-vm)...
This ^^^^ ... Well said!
I have been using macOS on Intel Macs as my personal desktop for a long time. At the time, Intel Macs could run nearly any operating system in popular use today. I run many different versions of Windows, Linux, and macOS in virtual machines on Intel Macs.
I am not sure that my next computer will be a Mac. Apple switched to ARM, which leaves me with compatibility issues for my x86 virtual machines. The x86 Windows VMs have activated licenses and I would not want to lose them. If I stay with x86, that would mean moving to Linux, and then the Mac virtual machines won't run.
I wish I had a crystal ball to know where personal computers are going. Will we see a split with significant percentages divided between x86 and ARM? Will Microsoft and major commercial software manufacturers be forced to build, test, sell, and support versions of their products for x86 and ARM simultaneously? Will they drive a migration to ARM or dig an entrenchment with x86? I do not know.
used to run debian, but because i needed support for "bleeding edge" hardware and software i had to move to arch. both os are very nice, i wouldnt trust arch for prod(without really heavy customization), but it works amazing for a desktop/workstation. thinking of finally going gentoo, as i have a need for custom compiled software and have enough resources to not feel the compile time very much, the only thing that was stopping me going gentoo before was ass cpu and me not being interested to buy entire build server just for compiling my packages.
debian rocks on servers.
Linux on servers, macOS for work computers. I wouldn't change macOS with anything
I use ZardOZ with Sean Connery environment.
Seriously, use windows, it's easy, compatible, and there's good legal scrutiny over it for privacy and security.
Cleverly phrased. You get points for style. Are you a lawyer?
Good question, but these three things are for sure: that with each passing year, they will continue to turn YOU into the product, your licenses (that you used to own) into subscriptions, and your computer into an appliance.
@jlet88 when everybody moves to linux, the NSA will move too.
They're already there. They're everywhere. If you care about them, then open source is the only way to go. Windows is an open book to them.
@nocloud It's depend on your skill or requirements, Generally we use Windows Server 2019 as primary system
I've read that police forensics don't have tools to inspect the filesystem of dragonflyBSD due to the minuscule userbase. The crowdier the place, the merrier the overlords.
Besides, there's an ongoing process of shittification in linux due to the influx of peasants.
On the contrary, with open source, the "crowdier" the place, the more eyes that can scrutinize the source code and test the vulnerabilities, either on purpose or inadvertently. And there is no such thing as real security through obscurity by itself. It can be used as a "layer" of a security approach, but not as a primary method, and definitely not as an exclusive approach to rely upon. Most security experts discourage security through obscurity without other security layers. This is easy to confirm, you don't need to trust me, just go look it up.
The opposite of security through obscurity is the combination of security by design, architecture, technique, and open security, which is the bedrock of good open source design.
In other words, the more people who use Linux, the harder it will be for three-letter agencies to find exploits with it, for example. On the other hand, with Windows, which is proprietary, and Microsoft, which is known to cooperate with three-letter agencies even without even a warrant, you can expect they have exploits that run deep and are actively used in the US and abroad.
But hey, I'm not trying to convince anyone. People can use what they want, it doesn't matter to me.
I have often wondered whether the empirical data bears out the idea that open source software is more secure. Large firms like Microsoft and Apple have vast resources to address security bugs through many methods. They have learned much over time.
I understand the theory that "more eyeballs" on the code increases the chances of finding and squishing bugs, but skill, time, process, and automation must also factor into it. It is not obvious to me that even the most popular open source projects are getting enough properly trained eyeballs spending enough time reviewing the code and how much access they have to the best tools, procedures, and widespread deployed base of users to achieve a comparable level of security in their code.
I am not saying that one approach is more or less secure than the other. I am saying that I have yet to see convincing evidence either way.
If you respond to this comment, please cite sources and include links to the details.
Debian workstation, Ubuntu on laptop.
Been using Debian, Ubuntu, or a variant at home for the last 9+ years now.
Manjaro used to be my go to Linux desktop experience but have sense switched to Arch because Manjaro keeps messing things up, between bad upstream commits and breaking AUR compatibility.. I made the leap and didn't look back. things like btrfs snapshot and timeshift give me greater flexibility and reliability when on my workstation.
I'm serious, someone should work in designing a ZardOZ OS.
Check out the movie by all means. It's interesting that a movie set far in the future doesn't portray any computers or OS'es, just good old gods and brainwashed believers. Give a pile of guns to the believers, as ZardOZ does, and what you get is the Italian financial policemen from the other LET thread: the killing meat-bots.
I watched that masterpiece years ago on a Debian laptop.
Debian 11 running on WSL2.
It used to run stable, but I have been facing issues with it getting stuck and failing to boot since the recent 1.1.3 update of WSL.
Windows 100 percent!
are u rms?