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Hetzner kicks out Ukraine website from their service.

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  • @Maounique said:
    RT is not going full propaganda as some ppl might believe, they are hiding stuff, they are biased towards the Russians, of course, but they are not like Russian channels that ...

    RT (formerly Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya)[10] is a Russian state-controlled[1] international television network funded by the tax budget of the Russian government.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

    RT is Russian propaganda.

  • edited March 2022

    @Maounique said:

    Again, the chips are not designed there, but by ARM, Apple, Intel, etc.

    They do the hardest part that other gave up (that why intel cant catch up with AMD, because AMD/Apple use TSMC)

    Perhaps, but name one product they invented or designed of the many you listed.

    Acient Chinese? I can name many. Currently? Leading 5G tech, Leading AI tech/ research (you know AI right?), Leading Commercial Drone Tech (DJI), Leading Solar Energy Tech?, Alibaba?, Tiktok ? (lol), Chinese Phone brand are pretty good too. But, personally, I dont use Chinese stuff, but I know what they are good at.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2022

    @turdski said: RT is Russian propaganda.

    I don't deny that, I just said they are not as bad as the internal russian tv channels are. At least they were not before being pushed out, I checked today and they picked up fully the narrative of the other channels about how the Russian puppets in the east are liberating and feeding the population impoverished and left hungry by the nationalist battalions.
    It was less brazen in lying before.

    @Goodtesteronline said: They do the hardest part that other gave up

    Also many countries gave up heavy industry because is polluting and automatized, therefore dont produce good jobs and they are in China now. This does not mean the Chinese are better, just cheaper, same with semiconductors, this is what globalization means, some ppl concentrate on some things, others on other things, as long as they make it better and cheaper, they dominate the market. Gave up not because they can't do it, but because it is better to concentrate on services and research/design, rather than making.

    @Goodtesteronline said: But, personally, I dont use Chinese stuff,

    I do, recently got a fake one, lucky eBay refunded me.

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  • @turdski said:

    @Maounique said:
    RT is not going full propaganda as some ppl might believe, they are hiding stuff, they are biased towards the Russians, of course, but they are not like Russian channels that ...

    RT (formerly Russia Today or Rossiya Segodnya)[10] is a Russian state-controlled[1] international television network funded by the tax budget of the Russian government.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)

    RT is Russian propaganda.

    Actually RT isn't that bad. It has its better moments and can get somewhat decent info from it once in a while. But when it comes to this war it's messed beyond belief.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @serv_ee said: Actually RT isn't that bad. It has its better moments and can get somewhat decent info from it once in a while. But when it comes to this war it's messed beyond belief.

    I agree, and got way worse after being censored.

  • jenkkijenkki Member
    edited March 2022

    @DanSummer said: Crimea will always be Ukrainian

    Wrong. Crimea was in Russia from 1783 to 1954, Ukraine was a part of USSR. Basically in the same whole country. Ukraine never was independent up to 1991. Eltsin didn't care about Crimea when split Soviet Union. People vote for independence from Ukraine in 1991, but no one listen them these times. Because you got this results finally. You know it but still continue to lie.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2022

    @jenkki said: Basically in the same whole country.

    Being part of an empire in the past is not an argument as being the same country. By that logic, Crimea should be Greek, Turkish, Mongol... Transylvania should be Austrian, Dobrogea, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, etc Turkish, Israel Italian, or even Egyptian...
    Ukraine is a multi-ethnic state, they have many minorities, same as Russia, this does not mean that Israel should declare the Jewish autonomous region as independent and station troops (peacekeepers/volunteers) there. Or the Chinese do the same.

    @jenkki said: Ukraine never was independent up to 1991.

    Lies. It was beyond Russian control many times. From the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, Bulgarians, Khazars, Vikings to the Tartars, Kossaks, they were out of Russian Empire many times.
    Also, many parts of Ukraine were independent as other countries, from Poland/Lithuania to Romania, the Russian Empire held Ukraine for hundreds of years but same the Turks held the Balkans for 500 years, Romans held north Africa for a millennia or more...

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  • @Maounique said:

    @serv_ee said: Actually RT isn't that bad. It has its better moments and can get somewhat decent info from it once in a while. But when it comes to this war it's messed beyond belief.

    I agree, and got way worse after being censored.

    I was in Bulgaria and watched the news on RT when Russia killed Aleksandr Litvinenko with poison in the UK. The news on RT was so twisted that it was funny. But I was shocked to find out that some people in eastern Europe watch and believe in this shit.

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  • jenkkijenkki Member
    edited March 2022

    @Maounique said: It was beyond Russian control many times. From the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Pechenegs, Vikings to the Tartars, Kossaks, they were out of Russian Empire many times.

    The problem was.. Ukrainians never exist in middle ages like a nation. They was called - Malorussia, that meant small Russia. ,,Kievskaya Rus,, never was Ukrainian made. Do you know? ,,Kievskaya Rus,, started in 19-th century. Language was innovated in 19-th century by mix of Russian and Polish. Till this time they historically all speaks Russian.

  • @Maounique said:

    @jenkki said: Basically in the same whole country.

    Being part of an empire in the past is not an argument as being the same country. By that logic, Crimea should be Greek, Turkish, Mongol... Transylvania should be Austrian, Dobrogea, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, etc Turkish, Israel Italian, or even Egyptian...
    Ukraine is a multi-ethnic state, they have many minorities, same as Russia, this does not mean that Israel should declare the Jewish autonomous region as independent and station troops (peacekeepers/volunteers) there. Or the Chinese do the same.

    @jenkki said: Ukraine never was independent up to 1991.

    Lies. It was beyond Russian control many times. From the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, Bulgarians, Khazars, Vikings to the Tartars, Kossaks, they were out of Russian Empire many times.
    Also, many parts of Ukraine were independent as other countries, from Poland/Lithuania to Romania, the Russian Empire held Ukraine for hundreds of years but same the Turks held the Balkans for 500 years, Romans held north Africa for a millennia or more...

    I mean by his logic I'd looooove if Estonia was still a part of Denmark. It doesn't make any sense to me but apparently these things work like that now.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @jenkki said: Till this time they historically all speaks Russian.

    Yes, because they WERE the Russians. The current Russians split and evolved separately, Ukraine was part of a different geopolitical area and got more influenced by many other people. It is like US claiming UK as theirs because they speak American more or less.

  • @jenkki said:

    @DanSummer said: Crimea will always be Ukrainian

    Wrong. Crimea was in Russia from 1783 to 1954, Ukraine was a part of USSR. Basically in the same whole country. Ukraine never was independent up to 1991. Eltsin didn't care about Crimea when split Soviet Union. People vote for independence from Ukraine in 1991, but no one listen them these times. Because you got this results finally. You know it but still continue to lie.

    Where are you from? I'll quickly point to few empires that controlled your country in the past. I can tell you're not from Russia either because you know little of what you speak.

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  • @DanSummer said: I can tell you're not from Russia either because you know little of what you speak.

    If you young folk from Ukraine I understand your wrong way within past of 30 years of your history. No problem

    Always suggest you to open real historical documents at least before speaks about thousands of years of Ukrainian independence in your anthem.

  • Just for additional information. Alaska was ,,ceed,, by Russian Empire to United States. Docs never show sold or purchased. So no one know who will be next.. :smiley: ( Joke)

  • @Goodtesteronline said:

    @serv_ee said:

    So it's bad to have west backed leaders but good if Russia backed leaders? Top kek!

    How about learning and be like Finland? Be yourself bro, dont rely on anybody.

    yeah, Finland would be applying to join NATO soon enough. Then Vlad would be sucking on his finger all day.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @jenkki said: ( Joke)

    Yep, Russians "facts" are a sad joke.

  • @jenkki said:

    @Maounique said: It was beyond Russian control many times. From the Greeks, Romans, Huns, Pechenegs, Vikings to the Tartars, Kossaks, they were out of Russian Empire many times.

    The problem was.. Ukrainians never exist in middle ages like a nation. They was called - Malorussia, that meant small Russia. ,,Kievskaya Rus,, never was Ukrainian made. Do you know? ,,Kievskaya Rus,, started in 19-th century. Language was innovated in 19-th century by mix of Russian and Polish. Till this time they historically all speaks Russian.

    Holy cow! where are you getting this from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'
    Don't run away now please, point to a respected source for your info or forever be considered a toad.

    This is quite pathetic. Why say stuff that can be easily verified to be lies? Beyond redemption I see.

  • zappatazappata Member
    edited March 2022

    @jenkki said: Seems they just cares about their people, more than about politics. They was first who make phone call to Putin directly and ask him to explain situation.

    If the german government would stop buying gas and oil from russia at once, prices for customers would increase about 500% and companies would have to be shut down because they could not afford these prices and people would loose their jobs (I know, that's nothing compared to being bombed/killed by a fu*** sick person who is angry because he lost his potency..). There are already households which can not afford the actual price increases.

    Yes, it would be a statement. But 14 days later people would start shooting politics (well, that already happend a few years ago) and demand for a annexation to russia.. And yes: The goverment made a lot of mistakes by making themselves so dependent from russian energy, but if you shut down everything now, the "normal people" wouldn't support it on the long run. In the beginning, everybody would say: yes we don't want gas from this motherf* but when they get their energy bills they would go crazy. It is a disaster, i know, but it's not that easy.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited March 2022

    @zappata said: but if you shut down everything now

    If not now, then when? We must end this sooner or later. Don't let this crisis be wasted. Cut the dog's tail once not 10 times. There will never be so much support for it. I hope Russians will do it themselves, but they are too squeezed at this time so not really.
    The issue with this is that they will sell to China and China will buy less from others, so the prices will settle but, of course, the gas pipes are not being built overnight, only for oil that works, Europe will have to deal with higher prices and less consumption a year or two, but we can't sell Ukraine for that.

    @DanSummer said: yeah, Finland would be applying to join NATO soon enough. Then Vlad would be sucking on his finger all day.

    They should join fast, Putler can't afford to invade Finland too, especially since his generals know very well how that panned out in 39-40. The planes invading Finland's and Sweden's airspace are only a bluff at this time because it is obvious for everyone he has 0 chances to mount a successful invasion with conventional gear even in Finland, let alone Sweden while also "pacifying" Ukraine. Once they are in NATO, they will be out of reach, even after he conquers Ukraine (and we presume he doesn't have to leave 300k occupation troops and the respective gear to keep "denazification" going which is an utopia, even for him).

  • fLoofLoo Member
    edited March 2022

    @Goodtesteronline said:
    I got fake DMCA and Hetzner still decided to cancel my service. Hetzner is risk adversed. Also, Germany hate Ukrainian war, not because of caring for Ukrainian people but the Germany economy. It rises the energy cost, and directly affect Hetzner bottom line. So it win-win for Hetzner.

    Germany steal Russia oligarch yatchs, but still want to trade energy with Russia,. wtf what that? it is so hypocritical.

    You basically have zero knowledge about politics and sanctions. You should either educate yourself or stop posting overall.

    Can we get back to Hetzner now and stop putting bullshit into this thread?

  • This thread continues. We are at page 4. "Hetzner" was last mentioned on page 2. Now it's pure western war propaganda.

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  • western agitprop B) always shit happen

    enjoy it

  • @DanSummer said: Finland would be applying to join NATO soon enough.

    Most Finland people was refused to join NATO. And for which purposes? NATO even not helps Ukraine at this time.

    Also Sweden still keeps neutrality. They even not to join WW2 when Hitler tried to invite them.

    @DanSummer said: Holy cow! where are you getting this from?

    If you learn history trough Wikipedia, lets do congrats to you.

  • @Maounique said: Yep, Russians "facts" are a sad joke.

    Look to real historical docs, Only difference Russian side get paid $7200000 for ,,To ceed ,, Alaska to United States. But half of money got stolen..

  • @jenkki said:

    @DanSummer said: Finland would be applying to join NATO soon enough.

    Most Finland people was refused to join NATO. And for which purposes? NATO even not helps Ukraine at this time.

    Also Sweden still keeps neutrality. They even not to join WW2 when Hitler tried to invite them.

    @DanSummer said: Holy cow! where are you getting this from?

    If you learn history trough Wikipedia, lets do congrats to you.

    Wrong answer. Tell me where you got the info so we all can read it and "educate" ourselves (not some personal blog of your crazy uncle or his friend).... waiting.

  • @default said: pure western war propaganda.

    aha.

  • @zappata said:

    @default said: pure western war propaganda.

    aha.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @default said:
    This thread continues. We are at page 4. "Hetzner" was last mentioned on page 2. Now it's pure western war propaganda.

    Can you imagine 100 years ago thinking that people would get together and fight each other over which propaganda they prefer?

    I know nothing, I continue to know nothing. I don't believe distant truths are available to me in a pure form.

  • @jar said:
    I know nothing, I continue to know nothing. I don't believe distant truths are available to me in a pure form.

    Nothing is pure, otherwise things would be dull. I merely wanted to point out how a discussion about Hetzner, turned into politics.

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  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member
    edited March 2022

    @jackb said:

    @Goodtesteronline said:
    Listen to small and alternative media. All major news are untrustworthy (propaganda machine), but you can heard both side story and draw your own conclusion. For example, listen RT Sputnik talking about Iraq, Lybia wars there will be a lot of trusts in it. Or Listen to CNN, Fox on Russian Oligarch, there will also some trust in it.

    There are 3 important points (framework) to detect bullshit: economy impacts (oils, US reserved currency, trade war), geopolitics (defends, military), what the elites want (income distrubution, socialism vs capitalism).

    Oh I know about checking both sides of a story to draw your own conclusions -- my point really was @jsg is dismissing "western" media as fake news; and I'm wondering what sources he actually views as remotely reliable.

    I've asked him a few times to provide sources RE: claims he's made about violence against Russians in Donbass, and so far he's come back with zilch.

    He never provides sources, I've asked for years for many of his unsubstantiated claims. He won't because he automatically discredits any and all sources that others provide. Whether he's a victim of propaganda or paid troll, I'm not sure but I know which way I'd bet $5 because of the many opportunities for him to educate himself and dug in deeper instead for his love of Putin.

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