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Epik Holdings acquires Terrahost AS

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  • afnafn Member
    edited February 2022

    @DP said: Clearly he means "the parent" being the Parent Company and not "a person's father or mother"

    @Nyr said: parent company
    noun [ C ]...

    Ofc, I know :neutral: But still wanted to make the comment I made.

    @Nyr said: It is reasonable to expect that when a company acquires other company, customer data could be transferred in accordance with existing regulations.

    Which is why I said what I said. What belons to Terrahost, belongs to Epik -> belongs to noob-who-does-know-how-to-be-responsible. [->belongs to malicious people who know how to find exploits] (unless otherwise specified, and this did not happen yet.)

    @Nyr said: A successful transaction after many years of hard work.

    I will wait for the next Terrahost data breach and we can see if that is "successful" really.

  • SirFoxySirFoxy Member
    edited February 2022

    @Quartermaster said:
    Don't trust @RobMonster or Epik with your data in any fashion, including through any subsiduary they own/operate

    I sent Epik multiple formal GDPR deletion requests to jessica@epik, support@epik and rob@epik back in 2019, for an account I signed up for, but never used.

    These were not honoured, and my PII was in a data dump from the Epik breach in 2021.

    Total bunch of asshats!

    why do eu people think us companies care about eu laws.

    thats like a us citizen saying gay marriage is legal here so i'm going to go to uganda and get married to my boyfriend

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited February 2022

    @Nyr said:
    It is reasonable to expect that when a company acquires other company, customer data could be transferred in accordance with existing regulations.

    No, it is not. Actually a company is a "legal person" and fully responsible for its actions and data. Buying the shares of a company is not like buying a house ("do with it whatever you want"). The buyer has a right to profit (if existing) and to certain directional decisions but is not in control of day to day operations (not directly anyway) and does not have the right to all information and data. Of course there are more or less shadowy ways around that - but all of that doesn't change the rights of the customers and all legal frames and requirements stay fully valid no matter the owner.

    @afn said: People congratulating Terrahost, what are you congratulating them for?!

    A successful transaction after many years of hard work.

    "hard work"? As in "working 12 hour shifts in the mine" ... or as in bla bla politicians talk?

    I stayed quiet on that so far but I also felt congratulations misplaced, because "congrats, from now on you aren't the owner anymore of what you built up" (quite likely working hard indeed), but also because of e.g. the usual assumption that "now there is plenty money to grow", which (a) may or may not be the case, and (b) who profits, the terrahost staff doing all the work -or- the new owner?

    Again, I like terrahost a lot and I wish them well, but I feel that 9 out of 10 congratulations are but unreflected empty phrases. Now if terrahost had been in grave difficulties and RobMonster had pulled them away from the brink, that would be a reason to congratulate but I see no indications for terrahost having been in a terrible storm. From what I (and pretty much everybody here) know it was simply a business deal and terrahost likely was the desired bride and not the almost drowned party needing a saviour.

    So, frankly let's cut it, all there was/is seems to be a business deal and accordingly my worries are focused on the privacy and safety of our customer data. From what I know Epik / @RobMonster is neither a beautiful prince nor an ugly horror groom - but there is one (and one only AFAIK) stain: We have no reason to presume and trust that Epik has really changed and really learned the importance of our rights and how to protect them.

    I'll be quite happy to learn that I'm wrong on that point.

    Thanked by 3afn default rcy026
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @SirFoxy said:

    @Quartermaster said:
    Don't trust @RobMonster or Epik with your data in any fashion, including through any subsiduary they own/operate

    I sent Epik multiple formal GDPR deletion requests to jessica@epik, support@epik and rob@epik back in 2019, for an account I signed up for, but never used.

    These were not honoured, and my PII was in a data dump from the Epik breach in 2021.

    Total bunch of asshats!

    why do eu people think us companies care about eu laws.

    thats like a us citizen saying gay marriage is legal here so i'm going to go to uganda and get married to my boyfriend

    Actually "we Europeans" probably care about as much about USA laws as you care about our laws: a flying f_ck at most.

    The real difference seems to be that "we Europeans" actually do not really expect everyone outside of Europe to care about our laws and rules ... while the Americans tend to seriously think that their laws and rules carry any special weight internationally.

    But I fully agree with and celebrate each and every case where Europe demands american corporations to respect and obey our laws in Europe/their european operations.

    And btw, if american corporations (hello, e.g. facebook) actually happen to be european corporations (usually for tax reasons) it seems only reasonable to demand and enforce that they respect european regulations and laws.

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • RobMonsterRobMonster Member, Host Rep

    On the topic of data privacy for Terrahost customers, here is the bottom line:

    Terrahost continues to be run from Norway using the Enigma software developed by Terrahost, and operated by Terrahost personnel in Norway. Terrahost continues to be governed by the highest standard of customer data privacy with such data being made available on a need-to-know basis, e.g. in the case of fraud, chargeback or legal inquiry by law enforcement.

    For anyone particularly concerned with privacy, I encourage you to pay with a crypto for any services that you choose to consume at Terrahost. The team there will also be happy to address any specific concerns.

    As an aside, we do operate a free VPN product called Anonymize.com. I invite folks to check that out. You might not need it but others might find it useful. This VPN and DNS resolver already resolves Handshake domains.

    Looking ahead, we are also working on a privacy browser technology called Valido.com that combines a fork of Chromium with technology acquired last year called Substratum.net that serves as a Tor alternative that was shown to even work in China.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @RobMonster

    Thank you for your effort and demonstration of good will, I mean it, but could you please finally answer a simple question: Does Epik have @terrahost customer data or access to such data or not?

    (Hint: AFAIK nobody doubted terrahost to treat customer data carefully and to protect them to the best of their ability. The point is about Epik).

    Thanked by 1afn
  • RobMonsterRobMonster Member, Host Rep
    edited February 2022

    @jsg said:
    @RobMonster

    Thank you for your effort and demonstration of good will, I mean it, but could you please finally answer a simple question: Does Epik have @terrahost customer data or access to such data or not?

    (Hint: AFAIK nobody doubted terrahost to treat customer data carefully and to protect them to the best of their ability. The point is about Epik).

    As the parent company of Terrahost, Epik would have access to data upon request. That said, as far as I know, no such data has been requested by any Epik personnel.

    One of the main reasons for acquiring a mature data center company was to be able to offer our clients greater resiliency and data privacy.

    We are also an intermediate root certificate authority. See DNEncrypt.com. As far as I know, Epik is the only company in the world to assemble this whole stack:

    Registry
    Accredited Registrar
    Host including proprietary ASN / BGP and IP address ranges
    Anycast DNS
    Intermediate Root Certificate authority (DNEncrypt)
    Content Delivery Network (BitMitigate)
    DDOS Mitigation (BitMitigate)
    VPN provider (Anonymize)

    We have additional development in progress to further extend the resiliency promise that anticipate a variety of scenarios.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited February 2022

    @RobMonster said:

    @jsg said:
    @RobMonster

    Does Epik have @terrahost customer data or access to such data or not?

    As the parent company of Terrahost, Epik would have access to data upon request.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @RobMonster said: Epik is the only company in the world to assemble this whole stack

    No offense but some of those claims are a bit inflated:

    • Where is the anycast DNS network? epik.com DNS is hosted with Amazon + Ecatel, not anycast
    • CDN? You got an anycast network with PoPs around the world? Does not look like that.
    • Is the "VPN provider" just a single VPS in OVH with OpenVPN installed?
    • What is the DDoS mitigation? You do not run a DDoS mitigation network, right? If I remember correctly, BitMitigate was a BuyVM or CNServers VPS some years ago. Now it seems like you got some servers at Ecatel and that's it.

    To me it looks like you got a registrar and now a hosting provider, and the rest is smoke. What you got is already impressive, so I do not understand the need to exaggerate or mislead people about other stuff.

  • It's a good thing LET doesn't do Meet-Ups in person because some of you are just annoying assholes that are no fun at parties. Shitting on "congratulations" in their announcement thread? Conditions to be worthy of being congratulated? Dick move.

  • @Nyr said: You got an anycast network with PoPs around the world? Does not look like that.

    https://ping.pe/45.88.202.101

    Not all around the world (maybe there's more nodes on the "CDN"?) but at least EU/US-East & US-East. Obviously thanks to https://bgp.he.net/AS58110

  • RobMonsterRobMonster Member, Host Rep

    Correct, our DNS is Anycast but only ns4.epik.com server.

    We also run it across our CDN network.

  • @JabJab said:
    So, where are the promos?!

    Yeah, I want an epik deal!

  • @pbx said:Obviously thanks to https://bgp.he.net/AS58110

    You are referring to the AS of a semi-dead company

    08 Feb 2022 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @packetnext said:

    @pbx said:Obviously thanks to https://bgp.he.net/AS58110

    You are referring to the AS of a semi-dead company

    08 Feb 2022 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off

    Nah, this is just one of the many Ecatel companies, they will keep the services running under a different company or whatever.

  • @pbx said:

    @Nyr said: You got an anycast network with PoPs around the world? Does not look like that.

    https://ping.pe/45.88.202.101

    Not all around the world (maybe there's more nodes on the "CDN"?) but at least EU/US-East & US-East. Obviously thanks to https://bgp.he.net/AS58110

    https://www.webmasterchronicle.com/2021/01/23/did-the-embattled-parler-really-move-to-ip-volume/

    Thanked by 2pbx bulbasaur
  • pbxpbx Member
    edited February 2022

    @Nyr said: Nah, this is just one of the many Ecatel companies, they will keep the services running under a different company or whatever.

    As @apollo15 mentioned ipvolume.net is different than ipvolume.org even though the second one decided to have similar name and web design than ipvolume.net, for whatever reason.

    IPvolume.org / AS58110 seems more related to @RobMonster than to Ecatel / IPVolume Inc:

    % Abuse contact for '45.88.202.0 - 45.88.202.255' is '[email protected]'
    
    inetnum:        45.88.202.0 - 45.88.202.255
    netname:        Epik
    descr:          Epik Holdings Inc Anycast CDN
    
    [...] 
    
    organisation:   ORG-AI204-RIPE
    org-name:       Anonymize, Inc
    country:        US
    org-type:       LIR
    address:        704 228th Ave
    address:        98075
    address:        Sammamish
    address:        UNITED STATES
    

    https://bgp.he.net/AS58110

    vs

    organisation:   ORG-IVI1-RIPE
    org-name:       IP Volume inc
    org-type:       OTHER
    address:        Suite 9
    address:        Victoria, Mahe
    address:        Seychelles
    

    https://bgp.he.net/AS202425

    Thanked by 2bulbasaur lentro
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @pbx said: As @apollo15 mentioned .org is totally different than .net even though they are having similar name and web design.

    Wow, I stopped at the name and did not notice any of this. I also did not read the very interesting post linked by @apollo15.

    So it seems like Rob plagiarized the name, website and branding, impressive. This is ridiculous and pathetic, but I am impressed. This guy is a joke, I was not aware of his shenanigans but it seems like he has a grandeur complex or something.

  • @Nyr said: So it seems like Rob plagiarized the name, website and branding, impressive. This is ridiculous and pathetic, but I am impressed. This guy is a joke, I was not aware of his shenanigans but it seems like he has a grandeur complex or something.

    Not defending anyone, but I read that sibyl.li (ipvolume.org) was founded by someone else , and then Epik bought them.

  • @RobMonster when did you plan to stop fraudulently using IP Volume name on your space?

  • RobMonsterRobMonster Member, Host Rep

    @apollo15 said:
    @RobMonster when did you plan to stop fraudulently using IP Volume name on your space?

    Sounds like nonsense.

    @jahrinc said:
    I read that sibyl.li (ipvolume.org) was founded by someone else , and then Epik bought them.

    That is correct. We did acquire Sibyl in 2019.

  • IPVolume.org was registered on 2020-11-20.

    Shenanigans with "IP Volume LTD" happened after the acquisition. Much, much after.

  • tickticktiticktickti Member
    edited February 2022

    Not defending anyone, but I read that sibyl.li (ipvolume.org) was founded by someone else , and then Epik bought them.

    A Portuguese man who ran an illegal anime torrent site called 'nyaa pantsu cat' in the past.

    https://twitter.com/Miaoooww

    https://twitter.com/nyaapantsu

    https://itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1901/17/news013_3.html

    https://whois.com/whois/nyaa.net

    https://myip.ms/info/whois/45.88.202.101

    https://whois.com/whois/nyaatorrents.org

    https://myip.ms/info/whois/188.114.96.3/k/1485399356/website/sibyl.li

    https://myip.ms/view/sites/161066/nyaatorrents.org

    My conclusion is that this man started his own business to host his shady site. After few months, epik acquired them.

    According to a Japanese who talked with him in the past, miao replied: "Torrent is legal in Portugal. So there is no legal problem with nyaa panttu cat.'

    As I remember, epik helped a guy 'Jim Watkins', operator of 5ch, the largest forum in Japan. As you know, he was also the owner of 8chan. And epik's staff also hosted site that steal Japanese intellectual property until quite recently.

    I've been curious since I noticed this 3 years ago. @RobMonster What do you think about this?

  • RobMonsterRobMonster Member, Host Rep

    When Epik acquired Sibyl, they were the hosting provider of Gab.com and in need of additional capabilities that Epik could bring for achieving resiliency at scale.

    As for the Chans, if they were on Epik, it would have been for about 2 days. Those who allege otherwise are not giving a truthful reference.

    If anyone wants an exhaustive commentary on the Epik journey, CNN did put together quite a story which you can read here:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/09/business/epik-hack-ceo-rob-monster-invs/index.html

    We do maintain a very competent abuse team at abuse.epik.com. We'll be happy to review anyone's specific concerns about current active customers.

  • @RobMonster said:
    When Epik acquired Sibyl, they were the hosting provider of Gab.com and in need of additional capabilities that Epik could bring for achieving resiliency at scale.

    As for the Chans, if they were on Epik, it would have been for about 2 days. Those who allege otherwise are not giving a truthful reference.

    If anyone wants an exhaustive commentary on the Epik journey, CNN did put together quite a story which you can read here:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/09/business/epik-hack-ceo-rob-monster-invs/index.html

    We do maintain a very competent abuse team at abuse.epik.com. We'll be happy to review anyone's specific concerns about current active customers.

    Honestly, I'm not well versed in the history of Epik but it's glad to see someone from the upper heirarchy take the time to address allay some concerns. I'm a happy Terrahost customer.

  • @RobMonster said: Sounds like nonsense.

    what sounds like non-sense?

    removing the other company from your ranges to stop misleading clients is non-sense for you? HAHA

  • Timeline:
    2019: Sibyl.li is acquired by Epik

    Go to late 2020: IP Volume LTD is registered in the UK in November using the same nominee that Sibyl used.

  • Thank you for being a valued client of Sibyl all this time. As some of you may already know, Terrahost.com has been acquired by Epik Holdings, which Sibyl also is a part of. In an effort to give you even better support, better services and products in the future, we have decided to consolidate the brands and migrate you from Sibyl to Terrahost.com.

    Nice. Hopefully my server will finally get IPv6 soon.

  • terrahostterrahost Member, Patron Provider
    edited February 2022

    @babuum said:
    Thank you for being a valued client of Sibyl all this time. As some of you may already know, Terrahost.com has been acquired by Epik Holdings, which Sibyl also is a part of. In an effort to give you even better support, better services and products in the future, we have decided to consolidate the brands and migrate you from Sibyl to Terrahost.com.

    Nice. Hopefully my server will finally get IPv6 soon.

    Of course :) All services will get IPv6.

    Thanked by 1babuum
  • @FAT32 said:
    TerraHost to the moon! 📈🚀🌕

    Let's make up TerraCoin!!

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