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Every provider has their own ways of doing things, and in this case, HostHatch customers can simply request to get whitelisted just by providing the required justification via a ticket, where for old customers it's probably just a one-liner, whereas for new customers they might need to take HostHatch Staff and Management Team out for lunch or dinner treat for a get-to-know session before getting whitelisted.
I am both. I like trolling and drama like anyone else, but I also like a good conversation with people thinking differently and bringing up different arguments. In this case it's about limiting the internet, and limitations always come slowly, affecting our freedom because corporations set a so called "industry standard" also by walking on a fine line.
I hope you see my point in using deductive arguments sometimes, like in this reply regarding port 80. On one side you can say that such website need to be encrypted with SSL, but on another side why would they be encrypted if no confidential data is processed? And yet, we get notifications on all browsers (especially Google Chrome) that a website is not encrypted, slowly developing a popular block on port 80, as an industry standard, which was started by Google anyway to promote SSL.
So now the trolling part comes into play: let's have an industry standard here too, because I don't want my neighbor to be a man-in-the-middle on my wifi, and watch me looking at adult content. Meanwhile... is this really necessary? Yet, it will happen, just like with port 25, for their so called "industry standard" as solution set by big corporations.
Has anybody made a joke about @default blocking port 25.
None. I honestly was expecting something... but nothing so far. I even got to the point of wanting to make a self irony of the title, or people mentioning me in regards to port 25, but I did not wish to derail an important debate.
It's okay. It's what I'm here for.
Why Sir?
The clearly said they will open port if client ask for it with proper justification
If client can't open a single ticket then they shouldn't use any server
Yes
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_statements/letters-isps-about-spam-zombies/spam_zombies_letter.pdf (PDF):
https://www.m3aawg.org/sites/default/files/document/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf (PDF):
RFC 4409:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-akagiri-op25b-dynamicip-01:
(this was just a draft, and is specifically for residential IPs, but hosting provider IP ranges are not too different to residential IPs in that it's a shared IP pool used by a large number of customers)
Amazon SES for for the first 62,000 emails per month: $0 per month.
Also, opening a ticket costs $0.
100+ comments over blocking port 25 which is a common practice.
lol. HT is gonna get some customers from this.
Do they allow incoming port 25?
Since its unencrypted, can't they just filter on mail packets instead of only port?
Man, you are naive. They're renting a service from the provider, not owning the infrastructure themselves. If you rented out a house you owned, would you charge damage deposit and last month rent or just wait until you get fucked and then try to get paid?
Do you complain when you buy a knife that they come with safety protection that needs to be removed before use to prevent accidental use and damage? Jesus fucking Christ the way people think of themselves first all the time.
This is not about paying in advance. This is about blocking port 25. To keep the same comparison, it's like renting a house, but taking away the garden from all tenants, because some tenants tend to abuse it by making too much smoke while using it for grill.
And... this is not related to Jesus Christ either.
And... this is not about people thinking about themselves either.
And... this is not about knives either. Such comparison does not stand because a server is not a weapon.
And... please do not try to derail this topic with your PMS!
This is actually a @default behavior I have observed in most of the shared (apartment) rented properties that I have ever seen in big cities.
Here's a more accurate comparison:
Honestly, this whining about having to open a ticket to unblock port 25 is the most infantile complaint I've ever heard.
I not really like when a VPS provider default blocking generic ports (like email port, or others), services. It acceptable for me if they open/allow it, if the user ask for it (ticket, control panel, etc). Sadly there are many other abuse form/way for a 'bad user' on his own VPS, or an exploited/hacked VPS (not only the email spam). And the provider can't solve, prevent these abuses with a simple port (or other) limitations. But these (port) restrictions can be 'disappointing'/problem for a lot of fair users.
For example: I sending out (automatically) from my VMs a various 'system, firewall alerts' & log samples by email to my self-hosted 'central postbox', what I check daily. (CSF/LFD, OSSEC, etc). If it can't work, i'm not happy.
A 'mail server' application on a VPS is a 'generic usage' (for me).
PS: I haven't service or experience with HostHatch. This is only my generic opinion. And I can understand, when a provider try to prevent the abuses.
And yet... infants need to open support tickets for it. It's like provider sees them all as infants.
Or you can get Mailgun with 30K free e-mails monthly.
You are also free to change hosts anytime.
Sometimes I really wonder if @hosthatch is not paying people to create unnecessary drama so the threads are always on top LOL
I prefer HostHatch drama threads over RackNerd fire threads. WOW!
Thank you for your kind words, your IQ has been halved.
No more such plan now. https://www.mailgun.com/pricing/
Try us out! Get 5,000 free emails per month for 3 months, then only pay for what you sendHalf of infinity is infinity.
Very funny, we have all become spam zombies
You just said to let the abuse/damage happen and then enforce rules or try and prevent future abuse, there's no making you whole from the damage done to the IP's and network. Don't try and weasel out of that argument now.
What? No, there's no garden and a grill, just a garden or grill. It's like asking the people who want to actually do gardening sign up on a sheet or let the building manager know to be able to access the garden (or BBQ. It's perfectly normal to ensure that rules of use are read and understood). It's not a block, just need permission. I really don't understand how you could be this obtuse?
Fuck, swearing needs to be explained to you, too?
No? Because you're clearly "they won't let me do this, wah wah".
Ok, now you're REALLY being obtuse. This change is explicitly to prevent ABUSE where a server is being used as a weapon.
Man o fucking man, it's irritating talking to someone who just.doesn't.get.it. Let's review. Provider makes a change in service, explains why and justification. You're throwing a tantrum that you should be allowed to do whatever the fuck you want and the provider takes the consequences JUST SO YOU DON'T NEED TO REQUEST PERMISSION TO USE PORT 25. You're proving my point that you're all about yourself.
You must be young. You sound like you have no life experience or a very narrow one.
Your reasoning is defective. You misunderstood who the infants are in this case.
@TimboJones
Good luck! Hope the door hit you on your way out (or is it the other way around)
Haha, this is hilarious.
Never seen someone with such passion when only paying a few dollars for a service. As if their a mission critical app that makes millions for every second that is down is hosted on there.
This is how lowend world reacts. Paying as low as possible you must keep expectations very high and in case any limitations arrive - outrage and revolt.
Lowend niche is more stressfull than b2b or premium service. Irony.