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@cociu Have you noticed an increase in the outgoing traffic of your storage VPS, like people trying to restore their remote backups?
i just get the confirmation from my tech guy in oradea we have a grow but i don`t think is due of this incident anyway , will see in the next days. Right now we just finish the upgrade network in bucharest so happy finnaly the network is work like i want.
I feel sad for OVH. Damn. This was huge, I've been following the updates pretty much every hour.
) don't feel sad for OVH, not even a bit. They just got what the odds of their hard playing the profit lottery had coming.
Whom I do feel sad for is OVH's customers.
yes this.
I don't feel sad for OVH customers, either.
I have been reading some forums etc. If they didn't bother much about fire extinction systems... Then that's pure stupidity. Heh. And OVH was about to IPO.
Not sure how many millions they just lost. What about insurance? This is horrid.
Granted, I too feel sad for the OVHs customers.
If there's insurance maybe they even earn 3x more than the lost, as those servers have already earned and paid for their cost.
I read that today is supposed to be OVH's meeting over shareholder profit.
Yes. And it is swinging into action. They are moving in equipment to get as much as they can up and running as soon as they can safely gain access to the site.
Of course their DR plan doesn't cover your data unless you were paying for their backup services, clients thinking otherwise are being unreasonable. Shared/reseller/cloud providers that used their DCs and don't have redundancy/backups/other to cope with this in a timely manner can be justifiably upset at those middlemen for not having proper provision, but not the DC.
So it is critical that said client has good backups and a DR plan. They don't need a complete copy of the VPS, just a copy of the data off-site. That could even be at home. They can then push a copy of that copy up to a new VPS, update some DNS records, and off they go.
It is not standard practise for a VPS provider to provide, at least not a cheap one, complete free backups, much less when you are renting a dedicated server. Name an inexpensive provider that does, if you know one.
OVH may not be perfect, but some people seem to be trying hold them to an unreasonable standard over this.
You mean the customers who didn't have just got what the odds of their hard playing the profit lottery (by not having backups and other DR plans) had coming?
If that is your standard, all health to you. But try to keep to one standard and apply it evenly, eh?
So their backup service is hosted on a different dc?
It's not just about power. And it's cheaper than in Germany, it's not that cheap.
It doesn't matter whether or not it is used in other buildings, other buildings may use free air and yet have a design structure to prevent fire such as having fire door and mechanisms to shut the air flow.
What? Why are you talking about other buildings?
No, the fire was detected and the firefighters arrived quickly on site and they couldn't contain it.
What? This was just an example to show that we never used OVH for anything serious or critical.
This is nonsense, what do you think the firefighters would use to put out the fire? Where did they admit that? They have a standard fire detection mechanism and sprinklers.
Correct.
They may not be anymore. But I'm sure they are still one of the cheapest.
Maybe that is why a fire "broke out" in an environment normally very non-conducive for fire ...
I don't point at anyone but fires don't break out without a reason, especially in a DC and being a very major competitor in a globally very competitive, promising, and strategically relevant field and going towards an IPO ... and having a potentially very dangerous weak spot (like no anti-fire systems worth mentioning) ... well, I guess you get what I mean ...
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I've not looked into it, I must admit, though I would have thought so given they have DCs in multiple locations. Either the backups as a whole or one of the copies if the service includes redundant copies. That would be a reasonable standard to expect if you are paying for a backup service from them. I'd verify that if I were looking to use such a service of course, due diligence and all that.
Do you have information that says the paid for backups were held only locally to the servers hosting the data to be backed up?
Your point
Is wrong anyway. Btw, ask some providers operating globally and you'll learnb about some really expensive places.
Do you even know what you are talking about? (a) your point was obviously nonsensical. Adiabatic cooling has nothing to do with what happened. (b) plenty of other DCs have smaller, similarly sized, as well as larger halls than OVH. (c) Yes, adiabatic cooling (usually) does save costs - but many DCs use that nowadays.
Because that and the lack of anti-fire systems was the major factor.
The relevant points are (a) when, how fast the fire was detected, and (b) how quickly appropriate extinguishing measures were activated. Obviously the answer to both questions are extremely unsatisfactory.
Try to use your brain. What does "they had sprinklers" plus "the firefighters couldn't put out the fire" plus "one or more DC halls burned down and many thousand servers were rendered unusable" boil down to?
Hint: Whatever OVH had or had not in place couldn't contain and much less put out the fire.
As for your question: Water. That's what firefighters usually use to put out fires in buildings. And that's exactly why decent DCs have their own and appropriate anti-fire system.
Yes, "cheap" as in "anti-fire systems? Nuh, needless cost".
It'll be interesting to know what really happened. If we ever do! They had announced the IPO two days ago. Coincidence or not.
Tho, wood floor. Really? Fire proof or they cut corners too?
Well, I bet it was electrical fire caused by damaged wires.
That + wooden floor = a recipe for disaster.
Who knows!
Nope I have no idea about their backups because I don't use the backup of the provider where my service is at. I use a different dc and diff provider.
Still they are responsible for what happened on their house. Even if someone intentionally burn it or even if caused by nature. Even if they have ToS. That's IMHO.
They are cheap though... Their Kimsufi brand has dedicated servers for less than $20/month. Sure, they're 12-year-old Opterons or Xeons or low-end Atoms, but it's still a physical dedicated server.
Really, nobody should be relying on a cheap provider to have a full backup of all their servers. I read stories today about some businesses who had both their main servers AND their backups in the same data center, and both were destroyed in the fire. Please DON'T store your backups in the same data center (or ideally even with the same provider) as your main servers!
You can use outside air to cool your servers while also having proper fire suppression at the same time
Facebook's data center in Sweden is air-cooled: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2499653/facebook-will-cool-its-first-european-data-center-for-free-in-sweden.html
There are expensive places in France too where you have to pay the price if you want decent fire protection.
Yes, I know what I am talking about. Thank you. Yes many DCs use free cooling and yet are properly built to prevent fire. What are you talking about? Obviously we are just miscommunicating.
The relevant point is, where did you read that the fire wasn't detected and that the sprinklers have not worked? I am pretty confident that they have worked, just that they couldn't stop it.
Who said the contrary?
I heard something about someone finding some graphite nearby..
Oh, boy, I hope he didn't pick that up!
Interesting, if you had 3rd party system monitoring to track/chart this, it would be interesting to see!
Even touching will spell the end anyway. Hell, even getting close will be enough.
The end is nigh.