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Hosting FiveM servers

jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
edited May 2019 in General

Hello All,

FiveM is a community-driven GTA V multiplayer modification project that allows you to play GTA V with mods. It's a very popular application among the GTA V players.

They allow users to host servers by themselfs and forbid hosting companies to host it and make profit. But they make 1 exception. Zap hosting is the only hosting company in the world that's allowed by their terms to host FiveM servers and make profit out if it.

So a couple of weeks ago one of our IP addresses gets blocked by FiveM and in the error message they tell our customers to buy a server on Zap hosting

But isn't that unfair competition and abuse of power?
Yes ofcourse that is!

This kind of monopoly is not allowed in the EU. And since zap hosting is located in germany and/or are selling in Europe with their exclusive deal, we believe that they are breaking the law.

We already send a complaint to the European comission, but I want to hear your opinions about it.

Who you think is right? Do you think they are allowed to do this? Should we stop selling FiveM servers? Or do you think they just filling their own pockets by doing this?

I like to hear it!

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  • hzrhzr Member

    it's their software, why does that matter?

  • You could modify your gta sever, then sell it only to your server..

  • FoulFoul Member

    This is pointless to create a thread for this matter... lol

    There are many hosts selling fivem and don't get the issue as you had.

    The most funny part you posted is > Our lawyer is on it

    Lol, what good is a lawyer going to do for a modification of a game? You have no legal rights to GTA V

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited May 2019

    The fuck you smoked? You downloaded the software, that has Terms of Service, which you are forced to accept before you download it.

    Its their software, so if you use it, you are using it by their rules.
    If the rules do say, non profit servers only, like what apply's to minecraft that some stuff is against the EULA/TOS it does also apply to you or this game.

    There is nothing ilegal, other games do that also, that just one Provider can sell them commercially. Good luck with your lawyer.

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  • @hzr said:
    it's their software, why does that matter?

    It's all about $$. Also for zap hosting and the creators of FiveM. It's their software but by allowing only 1 specific host to run FiveM servers and blocking the others is calling unfair competition.

    Zap hosting != FiveM and they probably made a deal to share the profit.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @jordynegen11 said:

    @hzr said:
    it's their software, why does that matter?

    It's all about $$. Also for zap hosting and the creators of FiveM. It's their software but by allowing only 1 specific host to run FiveM servers and blocking the others is calling unfair competition.

    Zap hosting != FiveM and they probably made a deal to share the profit.

    You don't get it, its their software, they can do what they want.
    Even when it forces you, to run naked on the street once per week.

  • FoulFoul Member

    jordynegen11 said: Zap hosting != FiveM and they probably made a deal to share the profit.

    You still have no legal grounding, but if you want to waste money on a lawyer go for it.

    There are many bigger hosts out there than you that sell FiveM for a long time and never had any issues. I don't know what drug you're on.

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited May 2019

    @Foul said:
    This is pointless to create a thread for this matter... lol

    There are many hosts selling fivem and don't get the issue as you had.

    The most funny part you posted is > Our lawyer is on it

    Lol, what good is a lawyer going to do for a modification of a game? You have no legal rights to GTA V

    It's not about GTA but it's about the point that they make profit via unfair competition.

    @Neoon said:

    @jordynegen11 said:

    @hzr said:
    it's their software, why does that matter?

    It's all about $$. Also for zap hosting and the creators of FiveM. It's their software but by allowing only 1 specific host to run FiveM servers and blocking the others is calling unfair competition.

    Zap hosting != FiveM and they probably made a deal to share the profit.

    You don't get it, its their software, they can do what they want.
    Even when it forces you, to run naked on the street once per week.

    Do you life in Europe?

    It's not allowed to make profit this way here. By make a deal with 1 hosting company, set the prices and block all other competition.

    They are selling and they must abide by the law

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited May 2019

    @Foul said:

    jordynegen11 said: Zap hosting != FiveM and they probably made a deal to share the profit.

    You still have no legal grounding, but if you want to waste money on a lawyer go for it.

    There are many bigger hosts out there than you that sell FiveM for a long time and never had any issues. I don't know what drug you're on.

    Let's keep it clean. In europe there is a legal grounding for it.

    btw: A few weeks ago their was a big ban wave that also affected other hosts.

  • FoulFoul Member
    edited May 2019

    jordynegen11 said: It's not allowed to make profit this way here. By make a deal with 1 hosting company, set the prices and block all other competition.

    FiveM creators are based in Canada, not europe.

    Block all competition? Where's your proof of this? I'd LOVE for you to show proof of this.

    It's also by your logic that you're basically stating, nobody can buy a server for themselves and run fivem off it.

    Get some common sense my dude.

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited May 2019

    @Foul said:

    jordynegen11 said: It's not allowed to make profit this way here. By make a deal with 1 hosting company, set the prices and block all other competition.

    Block all competition? Where's your proof of this? I'd LOVE for you to show proof of this.

    Read their terms? https://runtime.fivem.net/fivem-service-agreement-2.pdf

    Addendum D : List of exceptions for term ‘8’

    With this they block all competition for zap hosting.

    FiveM creators are based in Canada, not europe.

    Doens't matter, they sell and operate also in europe.

    It's also by your logic that you're basically stating, nobody can buy a server for themselves and run fivem off it.

    Users can create a fiveM servers by themselfs?

    I want to run a server, how do I do so?
    There's probably an installation guide on the docs telling you how to do so. If not, check the >forums!

    You can also rent a FiveM server from our recommended server provider and support the >project.

    Source: https://fivem.net/

  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited May 2019

    Another PMS overflow issue.

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  • FoulFoul Member

    jordynegen11 said: Users can create a fiveM servers by themselfs?

    Yes... You download fivem server... and install it.. on windows.. or linux...

    https://docs.fivem.net/server-manual/setting-up-a-server/

    That "term" you posted - means that They don't want anybody setting up a server soliciting donations and etc for profit, just because they allowed someone to sell for profit doesn't mean they're breaking rules. FiveM has no jurisdiction in EU

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited May 2019

    @Foul said:

    jordynegen11 said: It's not allowed to make profit this way here. By make a deal with 1 hosting company, set the prices and block all other competition.

    FiveM creators are based in Canada, not europe.

    Block all competition? Where's your proof of this? I'd LOVE for you to show proof of this.

    It's also by your logic that you're basically stating, nobody can buy a server for themselves and run fivem off it.

    Get some common sense my dude.

    @Foul said:

    jordynegen11 said: Users can create a fiveM servers by themselfs?

    Yes... You download fivem server... and install it.. on windows.. or linux...

    https://docs.fivem.net/server-manual/setting-up-a-server/

    That "term" you posted - means that They don't want anybody setting up a server soliciting donations and etc for profit, just because they allowed someone to sell for profit doesn't mean they're breaking rules. FiveM has no jurisdiction in EU

    They are because they make money out of it and made a deal with zap.

    You can also rent a FiveM server from our recommended server provider and support the project.

    Yeh right... "support the project" We are not talking about 1K here...

    But don't get me wrong btw. I appreciate your opinion about this.

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  • MasonRMasonR Community Contributor
    edited May 2019

    So let me get this straight... you were selling FiveM servers, which is in direct violation of their ToS (as you already mentioned), got your IPs blocked in the game because of this, and now expect your lawyer to clear up the matter for you? If anything, the only legitimate lawsuit would be FiveM against you for selling the servers in violation of their ToS.

    TeamSpeak does something somewhat similar to where hosts have to get approved to sell TeamSpeak servers. Any providers without TeamSpeak's blessing are in violation of their ToS. TS doesn't seem to be as harsh as FiveM, but the intent is the same. Sounds like you should just drop FiveM servers as an offering and call it a day before the devs seek legal action against you because at the end of the day - they have a legal case against you, but you don't against them.

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  • hzrhzr Member

    if you think fivem is an abusive monopoly do i have bad news for you

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  • FoulFoul Member

    tldr

    You can't rent or sell fivem servers, or make profit from your own fivem server unless explicitly stated from their own permission.

  • CConnerCConner Member, Host Rep

    Most companies that offer FiveM sell it as a "FiveM optimized VPS" on which FiveM gets preloaded. So if you want to host it, that's probably the best way to do it without breaking the ToS.

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Which OP doesn't have.

    OP is suing, right?

  • @MasonR said:
    So let me get this straight... you were selling FiveM servers, which is in direct violation of their ToS (as you already mentioned), got your IPs blocked in the game because of this, and now expect your lawyer to clear up the matter for you? If anything, the only legitimate lawsuit would be FiveM against you for selling the servers in violation of their ToS.

    TeamSpeak does something somewhat similar to where hosts have to get approved to sell TeamSpeak servers. Any providers without TeamSpeak's blessing are in violation of their ToS. TS doesn't seem to be as harsh as FiveM, but the intent is the same. Sounds like you should just drop FiveM servers as an offering and call it a day before the devs seek legal action against you because at the end of the day - they have a legal case against you, but you don't against them.

    Not because they blocked us but because they don't allow any hosting company to host FiveM servers except zap hosting.

    Teamspeak allows hosting companies to sell teamspeak servers when they are approved. There is a diffrence here...

  • teamaccteamacc Member

    So, just sell a VPS with a template that auto-installs the mod. Sell it at the exact same price as your normal vpsses, and include the template for all customers of all plans that at least match the minimum system requirement.

    What is the problem here exactly?

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    I see no difference. You are trying to enforce Teamspeak's term on FireM. FireM has its own terms.

  • FoulFoul Member

    jordynegen11 said: Not because they blocked us but because they don't allow any hosting company to host FiveM servers except zap hosting.

    You still have no legal rights at all.

  • @Foul said:

    jordynegen11 said: Not because they blocked us but because they don't allow any hosting company to host FiveM servers except zap hosting.

    You still have no legal rights at all.

    Well that's something de EU commision has to decide. They approved our complaint 2 weeks ago..

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    They approve anything. Doesn't mean you will win.

    You won't win. Even if you win, if FireM has no presence in EU (offices, etc), they can gleefully ignore it.

  • FoulFoul Member
    edited May 2019

    jordynegen11 said: Well that's something de EU commision has to decide. They approved our complaint 2 weeks ago..

    Lol! "Approved" doesn't mean anything.. It's going to fail in the end because FM has no jurisdiction in EU.

    I mean you're here crying and all still; Yet you still sell FiveM servers.

  • jordynegen11jordynegen11 Member
    edited May 2019

    @deank said:
    They approve anything. Doesn't mean you will win.

    You won't win. Even if you win, if FireM has no presence in EU (offices, etc), they can gleefully ignore it.

    That's not true. If we win, in an extreme case, when FiveM does not cooperates. A judge can require a ban on sales in the EU.

  • FoulFoul Member

    jordynegen11 said: That's not true. If we win, in an extreme case, when FiveM does not complie. A judge can require a ban on sales in the EU.

    They don't have to comply, but that's funny. a judge can't ban a modification of a game - that's like saying the judge will have to ban all of rockstar products in EU.

    You're digging yourself a bigger hole here.

  • solairesolaire Member
    edited May 2019

    @jordynegen11 Creators always decide whatever floats their boat and it is completely legal to do so. That's commercial aspects that come with basically anything, starting at your local supermarket. Though you deem this unfair, it certainly isn't according to EU law. The law you are likely referring to has to do with internet service providers. They may not, in any way, restrict any type of services passing through their network. But that is irrelevant for your complaint. You should think of it as licensing, a company is simply licensed to sell this game server as a service.

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