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go with the 4GB SAS from @UltraVPS then, it comes very close with the price and offers even more space ;-)
That's definitely one of the options that I'm considering ...
Eh, I couldn't check at midnight this round. I hoped in a restock of the VPS 200; I'm happy with RS anyway (I actually needed those specs)
Chances are that there will be a restock, then there's their December thing as well..
Exactly - most interesting offers will re-appear in advent calendar.
And usually offers in the calendar will be available on 24.12. once more.
So just keep checking.
There was a restock of the VPS 200 G8 at 18:00 yesterday, but I didn't see this until later in the evening, and then it was too late.
The Root-Server 500 SSD G8 1 Euro Rabatt (€4,99/m) was available until midnight, but the 30 GB SSD wasn't so enticing for the price, so I decided against it.
I plan to decide on a (non-netcup) KVM today.
@angstrom you could also get Liteserver.nl lightning fast KVM deals, very solid performance, 70% off recurring.
Definitely under consideration.
I've gotten 3€ recurring Lightserver NVMe KVM and Netcup VPS 500 too.
Both solid providers.
Missed that as well. I'm torn between waiting for the adventskalender to get one there (or in foreseeable restocks waiting for CM maybe), grabbing the UltraVPS SAS-Special-1 or getting the LiteServer KVM-NVME-1024.
LiteServer's KVM-NVME-1024 has only 1GB RAM (and I have bigger requirements) but it has NVMe and they've been proven rock-solid to me in the last couple of years, zero issues at all: after BF discounts the KVM-NVME-1024 would come in for "€32,76 Annually" (w/o VAT).
UltraVPS is Falzo-approved and that's enough to make them interesting; bw limit is way smaller than netcup's and they count ingress too; w/ BF discount should come in for ~€33,60 (annually, w/o VAT).
Netcup's VPS 200 (for ~18€/year w/o VAT) offers half the vCPU, half the RAM and 1/5 storage if compared to UltraVPS, but way more bw (40TB)
LiteServer's KVM-NVME-1024 has 4 times the vCores of the VPS200, slightly bigger storage, 1/10 of the bw
Both LiteServer and UltraVPS offer a Netherlands location, and diversification is good
Tough decisions... chances are I'll get them all and idle
Nothing super interesting with NL. Inception had some limited stock 4GB VMs. Thought we'd see a little more competitive stuff in EU in general. None are bad offers anyways.
VPS 500:
fio 4k 50/50 randrw:
fio 64k 50/50 randrw:
geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/10977170
IO is impressive for now, but it's freshly deployed so I expect that to drop remarkably. my old BF'17 is faaaar away from those numbers (but it's SAS anyway) ;-)
for the VPS 200 I did not do the network again, probably not much of a difference, but
fio 4k 50/50 randrw:
fio 64k 50/50 randrw:
that's quite less impressive ;-)
geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/10977251
Who have the better peering/connectivity within western EU, Hetzner or NetCup? I imagine Hetzner is the bigger brand of the two so has more peering arrangements etc?
I assume you gave a look here and here already, anyway their performance (latency-wise) seems to me comparable if not identical in all western Europe (I've checked mostly with IT/NL/DE/FR locations). Also Anexia/netcup should have private peering with Hetzner, so...
@Xei
here is the same bench down from a hetzner dedi - but be aware that this is their falkenstein location not nuremberg as with netcup:
speeds to NL/UK/DE seem a bit better, but again, that's a dedi directly on a switch, not a virtualized server sharing that NIC with a bunch other vServers...
I got a Netcup Root server 2000 16 + 8 GB RAM. I have few questions.
CPU is shared but RAM is yours I believe
@gks short answer: YES to all of it.
you can use whatever you get out of it 24/7 - only mining and related stuff is forbidden (read their tos!)
Thank you, I am not doing mining, just running some big data algorithms. I found that my Indian location had bad route, ping takes 400 ms, whereas Hetzner taken about 180 ms. I can live with that.
I decided to get SAS-Special-1 at UltraVPS. A great deal.
But I may still get something from LiteServer as well. But I'll wait until tomorrow to decide.
I finally managed to get 2x VPS 200 G8 and I have some interesting information for EU customers:
This is my experience so far
I hope it gets better in the future...
What you describe doesn't sound so great. If I were you, I would consider posting your remarks in their forum ( https://forum.netcup.de/ ), even if you do so in English. They seem like legitimate criticisms.
@Elmo my first-hand experience with them is different from yours. When I first created an account and connected it to a VIES VAT ID I noticed that VAT did pop up in prospective invoices (before actually ordering a product). I mailed them and they replied
Every time I add something to a cart VAT is displayed, every time I checkout I receive an invoice without VAT.
After the first order or two I asked them to display reverse VAT in invoices rather than "excl. 0% VAT" and they complied to that as well. Even if they send me a lot of stuff in German, every time I drop them a line they reply to me in English just fine.
It sounds like at least some of @Elmo's issues may be due to unfamiliarity with how netcup's system works. But if netcup charge the wrong VAT rate for some EU country (as @Elmo seems to say), then that's a pretty serious issue that should be corrected immediately.
Yes, it was my first purchase from netcup, so I didn't know all the fine details. Though I'm a customer of 9 other providers, 5 in EU and 4 in US and I expected somewhat similar conditions. Sure enough, I didn't expect this:
First Invoice
https://ibb.co/P6CtRV4
Pay attention to the 23% VAT rate, which actually is 24% in Greece since 2016. Apart from the wrong VAT rate, there should be no VAT charge at all, because I provided a valid VIES VAT ID during the registration process, which was validated and displayed 0% while ordering.
Second Invoice
https://ibb.co/ZJ532rF
I suppose this is the actual invoice, since the previous one stated it was an advance payment for the order. It's not clear to me what happened here with VAT. The first invoice had VAT charge and this one -which says Compensation from previous invoice- does not mention the VAT charge of the previous invoice.
Third Invoice
https://ibb.co/XCm8rZW
It's supposed to be a credit invoice, but... tough luck again 
At least now I got the VAT ID displayed on the Invoice, but no "Reverse Charge" wording.
This is fun! The guy who issued this invoice, forgot the minus sign before the amount!
Fourth Invoice
https://ibb.co/T80Yj5k
Back to where we started from.
This is also fun! I got a credit invoice for the wrongly attributed VAT in the first invoice, but no credit for the wrong invoice (#3). Getting interesting huh? Wrong charge of X amount (#1) PLUS wrong charge of another X amount (#3) MINUS credit of X amount (#4). So now we have X+X-X=X
The following invoices were issued after talking with someone from the accounting department of netcup.
Fifth Invoice
This comes up as a blank page (invoice number nc-854299), but I guess it is a credit of -10 EUR
Sixth invoice
https://ibb.co/xCTJzYZ
Absolutely no idea what this is about! Charging back the credit I received in the previous invoice ?
Conclusion
Anyway, I took the time to write this post in the belief that it might be useful to others. I had/have no intention to spread accusations or to defame netcup, that's why I tried to stick to the facts.
wow, you have been quite unlucky here, that got really weird and messy.
I agree that the first invoice obiously is to get the payment like buying account credits and the second one should only rebook that after payment.
did you pay anything at any point already and if so, which amount?
also agree that the third invoice was supposed to correct the VAT on the first invoice, but he got it wrong. then he issued the fourth to do it again. which essentially would still leave the third open again, as you correctly stated.
no clue about the fifth and sixth - maybe they wanted to do you a favour for your troubles and put some credit in your account?
what does the dashboard state about open invoices? are there any?
there should also be a list with invoices and a status for them ( https://ccp.netcup.net/run/rechnungen.php?jahr=2018 )
as long as you only paid the net amount and all invoices are listed as 'bezahlt' aka paid, you should be fine ;-)
for the accounting on your end I'd only use the first, second and fourth invoice then, as it would match what really should have happened...
I totally agree that's a mess and doesn't scream confidence at all. so far I am lucky that I did not get into that sort of trouble even though I sometimes have affiliate credits in some invoices.
let's see if they at least manage to overcome your doubts by delivering decent performance and correct billing in the future.
@Elmo's experience suggests that netcup's accounting department is not so well-prepared for international business customers, even for international EU business customers, which is kind of surprising.
Thank you for the detailed report about your experience with them. I'm used to mail, and check, and ask (briefly, without nagging any sales dept. obviously) all sort of VAT-related details beforehand, maybe this made a little difference.
As noted, they aren't so well prepared for international customers. No .com, .eu domain more often than not doesn't have a "feature parity" with the .de one, their actual offering isn't that easy to parse too. For example, if you didn't read German nor Falzo's posts about netcup you may have missed that since November there's a free "Cloud vLAN 100 Mbit/s" package; not to mention some "hidden" (or better: poorly publicized) offers they (don't) advertise from time to time. On top of this, there are some VAT horror stories
they write it "on the top" of the invoice rather than "on the bottom" (after I asked for it)
You tried to hack me but you can't trick my Mozzarella Fürfox, ah!
(seriously, this is sadly not the first time I see reports like that against their .net site. Luckily it's often temporary, but it's bad enough)
EDIT: and as usual, they blog about it in German only
I am non native English speaker, they seems to be understanding English, I do theirs using google translate. Today I returned one BF Root Server with 30 days satisfication guarantee, they credited full money immediately without asking further questions [I had server for nearly 15+ days now) got 3 more RS 4000 more yesterday, this time they excluded VAT (you need to be company if you live outside EU as I understand two months dealing them), there is an note in invoice, it reads "We do not charge VAT due to your business outside the EU. You have to pay the tax of this invoice in your own country."
I might also add: sometimes, there are annoying inconsistencies. For example, suppose that you want the RS 1000 G8 with SSD:
Yes, no doubt, just an oversight on their part, but I've noticed this kind of inconsistency more than once before on their site.
I have seen this comment before from clients in various countries, but have never seen any regulation requiring it.
Could you please point me to any EU regulation that requires the client's VAT number to be included on a non-VAT (reverse charge) invoice? It's my opinion that it's the job of the seller to verify the VAT number of the client, but there's no reason to include it on every invoice.
I agree with you here -- this should be included on the invoice according to regulations I've read.
Thanks!