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  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Megumiso said:

    @angstrom said:

    No. If you simply want "to purchase a service transfer" (that is offered by another user), then you don't need to have at least 25 posts

    What about if someone wants X GB ram server(and made a thread for it) and I want to offer them my server that it matches their needs?

    Key here is that I'm not purchasing. I'm selling but not by making a new thread.

    That would be equivalent to offering a service transfer (even if you didn't start a new thread), so yes, in that case, you would need to have been registered for at least 30 days and to have at least 25 non-spammy posts

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  • alexhostalexhost Member, Patron Provider

    What's the point of price limits?

    Do we pay to have a special "label" and still have to respect price limits?

    This would apply to a free or non-profit forum. It doesn't make any sense to me.

    Customers pay what they want and can afford, nobody forces them to pay more than 125 euros for a dedicated server, in our opinion this is bad for the community itself.

    They're rules, yes, but what's the point, doesn't it make sense to pay to have limits? It doesn't make sense, I'd understand perfectly if it was a free forum or if you had to make a donation to be able to send messages with limits.

    But in this case it really doesn't make sense, it limits too much. There could also be errors or mistakes when publishing offers with too many promotions and different prices.

    We don't agree, but rules need to be respected. :)
    Alexhost

  • matey0matey0 Member

    @alexhost said: Do we pay to have a special "label" and still have to respect price limits?

    Read the name of this forum, word for word.

  • malignifymalignify Member

    @alexhost said: Do we pay to have a special "label" and still have to respect price limits?

    The same with cars and road speed limits. You buy a car that can go more than 70mph but you are still bound to limits in certain areas.

  • alexhostalexhost Member, Patron Provider

    @matey0 said:

    @alexhost said: Do we pay to have a special "label" and still have to respect price limits?

    Read the name of this forum, word for word.

    Yeah :)

    We know, but still not making any sense. In this case the Hosting Provider, will need to adapt their own plans for LowEndTalk? When we paid for that?

    That doesn't make sense, it forces us to adapt our offers, review all our plans and even lower prices. It's something that doesn't make sense, we pay to have a "unique tag" but there are price limits. I don't understand what the problem is with having more expensive prices.

    I understand that the name of the forum may give wings to the imagination, but it is not fair for those who paid to have this kind of limit. In our opinion, it's bad for everyone. There could be other rules to prevent some kind of abuse (I think that's the reason).

    However, this is detrimental to those who pay the "tag" and does not improve the offers at all. We are literally forced to lower prices just because. What sense does this make? I understand the name, but that's not why it has to be applied. It's one thing to be free to advertise, these limits may exist as nothing has been paid. Now pay and have this price limit?

  • malignifymalignify Member

    @alexhost said: We know, but still not making any sense. In this case the Hosting Provider, will need to adapt their own plans for LowEndTalk? When we paid for that?

    What doesn't make sense is you chose to join a lowend forum, pay for provider tag despite knowing the price range around here and now you are questioning these limits :D

    @alexhost said: However, this is detrimental to those who pay the "tag" and does not improve the offers at all. We are literally forced to lower prices just because. What sense does this make? I understand the name, but that's not why it has to be applied. It's one thing to be free to advertise, these limits may exist as nothing has been paid. Now pay and have this price limit?

    Nobody is forcing you to lower your prices. Lmao.

  • matey0matey0 Member
    edited April 2024

    @alexhost said: I understand that the name of the forum may give wings to the imagination, but it is not fair for those who paid to have this kind of limit.

    The name of this forum literally means that this forum is for low-end hosting solutions. Low-end in terms of pricing. Therefore of course it makes sense to enforce a price limit.
    If anything you could argue that the price limits should be raised, but why do you feel that having paid the provider fee should free you from this limit and be able to put up, for example, 800€/month offers, which definitely isn't low-end?

    Remember you are allowed to have higher priced offers on your website, just those that you advertise on this forum should fall within low-end price limits.

  • fayaz90fayaz90 Member

    @matey0 said:

    @alexhost said: I understand that the name of the forum may give wings to the imagination, but it is not fair for those who paid to have this kind of limit.

    The name of this forum literally means that this forum is for low-end hosting solutions. Low-end in terms of pricing. Therefore of course it makes sense to enforce a price limit.
    If anything you could argue that the price limits should be raised, but why do you feel that having paid the provider fee should free you from this limit and be able to put up, for example, 800€/month offers, which definitely isn't low-end?

    Remember you are allowed to have higher priced offers on your website, just those that you advertise on this forum should fall within low-end price limits.

    Well said. No need to bargain lol

  • alexhostalexhost Member, Patron Provider

    @matey0 said: If anything you could argue that the price limits should be raised, but why do you feel that having paid the provider fee should free you from this limit and be able to put up, for example, 800€/month offers, which definitely isn't low-end?

    Remember you are allowed to have higher priced offers on your website, just those that you advertise on this forum should fall within low-end price limits.

    Good point of view.

    • But what happens if we have to discontinue a product? Cheap product?
    • What happens if we order SSD/NVMe or HDD that is locally more expensive, but do you need to have constant stock? It's true, we can buy from elsewhere, but that leads to delays than buying locally...

    The same argument can be used for low prices:

    No one prevents you from having low prices on the website and going shopping. Just as it doesn't stop you from going to buy products at high prices.

    However, this rule is limiting. Since if we discontinue a service we would have to have a special service because the rules here ask for it.

    If we are forced to have higher prices, but we pay for the "tag", do you think it's fair? If we are required by law due to taxes, we are required to have a plan that is cheap and within limits. These are just examples.

    We just disagree (Constructively). Is that it.

  • matey0matey0 Member

    @alexhost said: Since if we discontinue a service we would have to have a special service because the rules here ask for it.

    What do mean by this?

    @alexhost said: If we are forced to have higher prices, but we pay for the "tag", do you think it's fair?

    If you are unable to offer a certain service within these price limits then just don't advertise it on this forum. Or you can lower your prices by lowering specs, etc.

    Again, if you think that the limit for dedicated servers should be $200, for example, that's fine. But I think you will agree that providers advertising $1000/mo enterprise dedicated servers would not be in the spirit of this forum.

  • totally_not_bannedtotally_not_banned Member
    edited April 2024

    To whom it may concern,

    i hereby lodge a formal complaint. There is this weird guy (let's call him @dhmo for now) who's clearly trying to sell a product (receiving of spam at a rate of $100 per message) without having the appropriate provider tag. I not only think that this should be a clear violation of the no-sales-without-provider-tag rule but his service also doesn't provide any kind of business identification making it impossible to take action against the unfair practices employed in running of said business.

    I think this kind of behavior is unacceptable and needs to be stopped immediately. If this is actually in line with the rules of this forum i plan to enter this industry myself to harshly undercut his rates and get my own piece of the message-me-for-money pie though.

    Until further notice i'll consider this kind of venture legitimate in regards to the forum's rules as the administration's continued patrolling exercised on the profile page in question makes it evident they are fully aware of the business being conducted there and silently condone it.

    Best regards,

    T. N. Banned

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  • gwnd1989gwnd1989 Member

    Do I need to be a patron provider to offer free hosting?

  • BasToTheMaxBasToTheMax Member
    edited April 2024

    @gwnd1989 said:
    Do I need to be a patron provider to offer free hosting?

    I'm not sure, but You can always get the host rep tag.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Member, Patron Provider

    @gwnd1989 said:
    Do I need to be a patron provider to offer free hosting?

    Please see https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules-updated-april-2023/p1#giveaways

    Free offers (Giveaways) need permission from an Administrator, not just a Moderator. So, best way might be to open a support ticket.

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  • Not_OlesNot_Oles Member, Patron Provider

    @BasToTheMax said:

    @gwnd1989 said:
    Do I need to be a patron provider to offer free hosting?

    I'm not sure, but You can always get the host rep tag.

    If I understand right, no tag is needed for Giveaways. Please see https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules-updated-april-2023/p1#giveaways

    @BasToTheMax I keep seeing you around trying to be helpful. It's much appreciated! <3

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  • gwnd1989gwnd1989 Member

    @Not_Oles said:

    @gwnd1989 said:
    Do I need to be a patron provider to offer free hosting?

    Please see https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules-updated-april-2023/p1#giveaways

    Free offers (Giveaways) need permission from an Administrator, not just a Moderator. So, best way might be to open a support ticket.

    Thank you Tom

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    I guess admins do need to adjust price limits from time to time because of inflation. Sure, it's not as bad in the US IT scene as it is in other countries, but still, you know, at least they should check the numbers every now and then. Otherwise, the place could turn into a shill for shit hosting companies.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited July 2024

    Request
    To our supreme and wonderful leader: @jbiloh

    If I may, with obedience and utmost respect, I kindly suggest for the provider tag fee to be reduced in half for a year, if a provider is willing to make a recurring offer throughout the year at $1 or €1 per year. In my humble opinion such change would not only attract more providers to pay the provider's fee, but it will also generate chaos and hype within community threads as these offers are released.

    From a financial point of view what may seem at a loss could actually be a gain, as more people would be motivated to register, more providers would try to get the tag and more SEO would be generated through such low-end threads. In the end "boundless risk must pay for boundless gain" as artist William Morris wrote more than a century ago.

    I must mention this idea was sparked by an interesting offer from @VPSSLIM in which they offer a hosting plan for a whopping €1/year.

    I hope this tiny spark will start a great fire.

    Sincerely,
    default.

    Message for the lovely eyes of our admirable leader: @jbiloh

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  • BasToTheMaxBasToTheMax Member

    @default said:
    Request
    To our supreme and wonderful leader: @jbiloh

    If I may, with obedience and utmost respect, I kindly suggest for the provider tag fee to be reduced in half for a year, if a provider is willing to make a recurring offer throughout the year at $1 or €1 per year. In my humble opinion such change would not only attract more providers to pay the provider's fee, but it will also generate chaos and hype within community threads as these offers are released.

    From a financial point of view what may seem at a loss could actually be a gain, as more people would be motivated to register, more providers would try to get the tag and more SEO would be generated through such low-end threads. In the end "boundless risk must pay for boundless gain" as artist William Morris wrote more than a century ago.

    I must mention this idea was sparked by an interesting offer from @VPSSLIM in which they offer a hosting plan for a whopping €1/year.

    I hope this tiny spark will start a great fire.

    Sincerely,
    default.

    Message for the lovely eyes of our admirable leader: @jbiloh

    Yeah this seems like a great idea as I've done a $1/year last black Friday (no order limit. I would love to do this regularly, but as margins are really low on this plan, I haven't bought it.

  • nicedre4mnicedre4m Member

    Noted

    @JackH said:
    Rules For Selling On LowEndTalk

    Selling your products and services on LowEndTalk is easy.

    Do not post offers or PM offers to anyone unless you have the Patron Provider or Host Rep tag.

    The following rules are in place to protect the members of this community so please read them completely.

    Banner Advertising On LowEndBox & LowEndTalk

    LowEndBox and LowEndTalk are ad supported. Please consider supporting our community by purchasing ad space on our websites. Prices start at just $75/month for a shared spot via BuySellAds.

    ⬆️

    Patron Provider Tag
    1. Requesting for the Patron Provider tag must be done through the LowEndTalk Billing System.
    2. Only Patron Provider tag holders may create advertising threads in the "Offers" category on LowEndTalk (plus they have all of the benefits available to the Host Rep tag holders).
    3. When applying, please include your LowEndTalk username, the link to your public company registration in your country of registration, your company number, a link to your website and public WHOIS information.
    4. In order to gain the benefits of advertising your services via threads on LowEndTalk, and to support our platform, Patron Provider tag holders pay a fee of $100 per six months. Signup for your Patron Provider tag at our LowEndTalk Billing System.
    5. After signing up for your Patron Provider Tag, open a ticket at our LowEndTalk Billing System using the Template For Patron Provider Tag Requests.
    6. Additional details about the Patron Provider tag fee, along with a list of perks for Patron Provider tag holders, can be found within the announcement thread. Companies that support our platform through this fee will gain special recognition by receiving a "Patron Provider" tag on LowEndTalk.

    ⬆️

    Template For Patron Provider Tag Request

    Open a ticket at our LowEndTalk Billing System using the following template:

    > Subject:
>     Patron Provider Tag Request
> Body:
>     LowEndTalk Username: https://lowendtalk.com/profile/your_username
>     Company Name:
>     Public Company Registration:
>     Company Registration Number:
>     Website: (WHMCS/Billing Panel link) 
>     Public WHOIS:
>

    ⬆️

    Host Rep Tag
    1. Requesting for the Host Rep tag must be done via our Help Desk.
    2. There is no fee for Host Rep tags.
    3. Host Rep tag holders cannot create threads in the "Offers" category.
    4. Host Rep tag holders may participate in general conversation, represent their company professionally, and respond to comments and threads that specifically reference their company.
    5. Host Rep tag holders may participate in the LowEndTalk sponsored “Mega Deal” thread(s), such as our Black Friday, Cyber Monday, etc, event threads. Host Rep tag holders may post their offers inside these Mega Deal threads.
    6. Host Rep tag holders may reply, with service offers/deals, to user-created service request threads within the "Requests" category.
    7. Host Rep tag holders may advertise their company in their signature. Signature rules apply.
    8. Inclusion in the periodic Host Rep Roundup (HR3).

    ⬆️

    Template For Host Rep Tag Request

    Open a ticket at our helpdesk using the following template:

    > Subject:
>     Host Rep Tag Request
> Body:
>     LowEndTalk Username: https://lowendtalk.com/profile/your_username
>     Company Name:
>     Public Company Registration:
>     Company Registration Number:
>     Website: (WHMCS/Billing Panel link) 
>     Public WHOIS:
>

    ⬆️

    General Offer Thread Rules
    1. You must have a Patron Provider tag to post offer threads.
    2. You are allowed post an offer every 10 days (posts in the "offers" category and the "shared hosting offers" category are on separate timers).
    3. For currency other than USD, it is your responsibility to ensure the equivalent USD price at the time of posting is within the rules.
    4. List the final recurring price after any discounts.
    5. Be informative in your offers. List basic specifications (memory, storage, bandwidth, port speed, virtualization technology) and pricing on a per-plan basis. Datacenter location and a test IP or Looking Glass would be ideal.
    6. List total price per billing period, not just equivalent monthly cost.

    ⬆️

    VPS Rules
    1. Offer thread rules apply.
    2. Only post offers that are less than or equal to $10/month, or equivalent recurring.
    3. If you've been in business for less than a year, the maximum billing period allowed is quarterly ($30/quarter). For businesses older than one year the maximum term is three (3) years.

    ⬆️

    Dedicated Server Rules
    1. Offer thread rules apply.
    2. Only post offers that are less than or equal to $125/month recurring.
    3. No setup fees.

    ⬆️

    Shared Hosting Rules
    1. Offer thread rules apply.
    2. Shared Hosting offers must be posted in the "Shared Hosting Offers" category.
    3. Standard Shared Hosting account price limit of $7/month or equivalent recurring.
    4. Shared "Reseller" Hosting account price limit of $12/month or equivalent recurring.

    ⬆️

    IP/Subnet/ASN-related Rules
    1. Only Providers and/or LIRs are allowed to post offers.
    2. IP/Subnet/ASN-related offers and services must be posted in the AIO IP-Related (IPv4/IPv6/ASN) thread.
    3. For Sellers: You must be the DIRECT owner of the IP space you are leasing. No reselling of others IPs, no reselling of bulk market providers.
    4. For Buyers: You must post valid, truthful justification with your request. Please don't waste provider's time.
    5. For both Buyers & Sellers: You must follow all the other LowEndTalk Forum rules, especially NO PROXIES/SHOES/ABUSIVE SCRAPING/STREETWEAR/ANYTHING THAT WILL VIOLATE OTHERS' TERMS OF SERVICE. This will result in a permanent ban for requesting or offering for these purposes.

    ⬆️

    IP Transit & Colocation

    There is no price limit/rule for colocation or bandwidth/IP transit-related services at this time.

    ⬆️

    Resellers
    1. This part only applies to direct resellers (i.e. "reselling another company's VPS line"), not to people "renting out VPS services on a dedicated server."
    2. If you wish to offer re-sold products/services, contact the staff prior to posting your offer to get permission.
    3. Only cases where choosing you over the original seller is a significant advantage will be considered (access to extra-cheap deals, language barriers, etc).
    4. You must make clear in your offer post that you are a reseller, and who you are reselling.

    ⬆️

    License Sales Rules

    We only allow sales of owned licenses for products where the vendor supports license transfers. Selling an "account" or a login IS NOT ALLOWED.

    Note that WHMCS disallowed license transfers in October 2020, so selling WHMCS licenses is no longer allowed on LowEndTalk.

    ⬆️

    Domain Auctions
    1. Posting domain auctions does not require any special tags.
    2. Maximum starting/reserve price is $7.
    3. Members can only post one (1) domain auction thread per 10 days.
    4. You need to have been registered for at least 30 days and have at least 25 non-spammy posts to post a domain auction, or to bid/participate in a domain auction.
    5. All domains in the auction must be at least 6 months old.
    6. All bids must be public and made in the domain auction thread.
    7. A deal is a deal. A failure to actually sell/transfer the domains after having offered them on action will have consequences for you at LowEndTalk. A failure to respond or finish the transaction in a decent matter (or at all) as the highest bidder may also have consequences for you at LowEndTalk.
    8. We don't hold any responsibility for potential disputes between two parties. Participating in auctions is at your own risk.
    9. Seller must specify currency (USD, Euros, North Korean won, etc.) and payment terms (PayPal, crypto, etc.) in the auction post. Which payment form(s) to accept are up to the seller and any buyer agrees to pay in that form (so don't win an auction that requires PayPal and then say you don't use PayPal).
    10. Minimum bid increments must be specified, maximum $2.
    11. An end date/time must be specified, with a timezone.

    ⬆️

    Service Transfers
    1. Posting service transfers do not require any special tags.
    2. Members can only post one (1) Service Transfer thread per 10 days.
    3. You need to have been registered for at least 30 days and have at least 25 non-spammy posts to post a service transfer.
    4. The selling price for the service cannot be more than 2 times the recurring price, or $10, whichever is higher.
    5. The transfer must be allowed by the provider and done in official methods. Transferring the whole account by changing the account information is not allowed.
    6. We don't hold any responsibility for potential disputes between the two parties. Participating in service transfers is at your own risk.

    If you do not abide by the above rules, you will receive a warning, your thread might be edited or removed without resetting your offer timer. In some cases, a ban can be applied. Bans can be appealed through the Help Desk only.

    ⬆️

    Miscellaneous Rules
    1. Using a nulled WHMCS (or other nulled billing software) grants you and your company a lifetime ban on LowEndTalk.
    2. You must have valid, public WHOIS information for your domain and/or provide proof of company registration on your website (publicly accessible on the website of your country's commerce authority).
    3. It is not allowed to reply to request threads with "PM me" or "email me" without a Patron Provider or Host Rep tag.
    4. If you are found to be misleading customers or using ethically questionable practices that may result in financial loss to customers, your Patron Provider tag will be changed to a Host Rep tag and you will not be able to post offers.
    5. No unsolicited PM's offering services, even if you find a thread that suggests they are looking for a specific thing and you can provide it the offer must be put in public view unless the OP specifically requests PM's.

    ⬆️


    Changelog04-27-2023 - Moved rules for Giveaways to Community Rules (DP)


  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    Mods, time for some rules to be added in general to have a well defined policy for Bandwidth/ cpu usage to be listed upfront?

  • deadorbitdeadorbit Member

    Where is the appropriate place for me to share a 40% coupon code for pq hosting? I'm a customer of theirs and got it in my email.

  • ArkasArkas Moderator

    @plumberg said: Mods, time for some rules to be added in general to have a well defined policy for Bandwidth/ cpu usage to be listed upfront?

    I agree, this will facilitate transactions. It should be clear exactly what you are getting.

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  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited September 2024

    @default said: If I may, with obedience and utmost respect, I kindly suggest for the provider tag fee to be reduced in half for a year

    i think when this provider tag fee was levid there was discussion and i had mentioned this.. provider tag should be discounted for at least 1 year so more LE providers can join and taste the water. More means we users get more deals. But it has one drawback, there could be summerhost who try to make profit by paying, say $50, for a provider tag for 1st year, put some $1 per year/month LE deals and then run away after a year abondoning the innocent users. So this low entry-fee has both pros and cons.

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  • VoidVoid Member

    It's kinda odd that dedis can't have setup fees but for VPS it is ok.

  • mwmw Member

    Should providers be forced to ensure their website has an english translation to post offers?

    The forum is English after all. What do you guys think?

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  • ascicodeascicode Member
    edited October 2024

    @Void said:
    It's kinda odd that dedis can't have setup fees but for VPS it is ok.

    What? Its still the opposite?

    @mw said:
    Should providers be forced to ensure their website has an english translation to post offers?

    The forum is English after all. What do you guys think?

    No, they can if they want, but you can help yourself with a translator.
    Its maybe 1% you find other languages than english. Mostly russians and balkans dont care about anyway, as we dont care about their services.

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