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  • eric1212eric1212 Member
    edited August 2014

    @ACaton said:

    and yet, when virtually everyone here posts their opinion, you dismiss their comments or argue with them. Why didn't you just post this in "Offers" and see how many people actually purchase your service if you aren't really interested in feedback.

    This is great feedback. ^

  • wychwych Member
    edited August 2014

    @ACaton said:
    Why didn't you just post this in "Offers" and see how many people actually purchase your service if you aren't really interested in feedback.

    Thanked by 1badpatrick
  • @Ishaq, we are not hosted with Handynetworks, we lease space from VIAWest in 3 locations in Denver.

    @ACaton, I know this is an old server. It is obvious. I am not arguing or dismissing anyone’s comments, unless they are directed at me personally and my decision to see what people think of the offer. As it stands, with the current feedback, I have changed all plans up 4x RAM to account for the older CPU's, while keeping the same price.

  • FlorisFloris Member
    edited August 2014

    cncking2000 said: What's going on with BeastVM?

    BeastVM is a company I worked for, it deadpooled because it had the same vision as you did, no overselling and higher prices, guess what? It didn't work.

    cncking2000 said: OpenVZ is a form of OS Virtualization, not an actual OS, and it has nothing to do with overselling.

    Well, I beg to differ, OpenVZ is actually designed to oversell, If done right, with slabbing and such, you can actually get better achievements then when you don't oversell.

    If your plan is to keep the things the same, don't get your hopes up high for a decent customer base from let, i say 10 persons, tops.

    cncking2000 said: Your opinions are appreciated, but to call someone out as stupid for trying?

    Yes. I am. The facts are, you business will not sustain here, experienced providers have said that to you already ( @serverian @AnthonySmith ) and even me, I have tried almost the same thing as you did here, and it simply DID NOT WORK. So, save yourself the money, energy and whatever else, and rethink your business plan, I'm only saying this because I don't want to see another deadpooling provider. You want to pay the bills right? This is not the way.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    IPv6? Also can you send me a test IP to play with (trace route/ping/MTR/etc...)? I've been looking for another local VPN for coworkers to use.

  • @Floris, Your absolutely right, on all counts, Thankfully, we agree that LET is not the place to make money. In my experience here, nearly all signups from posted offers were fraudulent, or charge-back prone. I'd hate to get started off this site alone, seeing hundreds of dollars in orders vanish because of fraud, and rely solely on bottom feeding to survive. Thanks for looking out, Ill keep running my hosting company as it is right now.

    For those of you wanting Benchmark PR0N, refer to my earlier discussion about my Dell R920 Nodes. Lowest VPS package on these is 8GB. Not LET friendly pricing.

    [root@omg] /# dd if=/dev/random of=file bs=64k count=64k conv=fdatasync 65536+0 records in 65536+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 1.004636 secs (4275148516 bytes/sec) [4.27GB/s]

    [root@omg] /# dd of=/dev/null if=file bs=64k count=64k conv=fdatasync 65536+0 records in 65536+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 1.000640 secs (4292220638 bytes/sec) [4.29GB/s]

    @KuJoe, Sent PM

  • sirmbhesirmbhe Member
    edited August 2014

    Different people, have different method of doing their business. If the price or the specs, or other things you don't like just don't use the service. But don't telling to other people how to run their business, IMHO.

    Thanked by 1Mark_R
  • @serverian said:
    Once upon a time, it was. Now, the meaning is the most resources for the lowest price.

    Actually, now it means more DD porn for the lowest price.

  • TACServersTACServers Member
    edited August 2014

    @sirmbhe, Thank you for your response.

    This has been exciting. More positive feedback? Suggestions that would improve on the service as it is, A cheap, semi-dedicated VPS on older hardware. There is no need to tell me that its old, and I can't compete with larger, established providers. That's like walking into your local farmers market and telling them they are no good, that you can get more for less at a local big box store. Sure, they are a bigger store for a reason, but as a provider for local business and personal services, I appreciate knowing my customers, and being able to provide them with EXACTLY what I offer.

    I'm entertaining providing an 100% uptime SLA, with 25% discounts for every 15 min down due to provider issues. If this makes the "old server" pill easier to swallow, Ill make it so.

    Thanked by 1geekalot
  • @cncking2000 said:
    sirmbhe, Thank you for your response.

    This has been exciting. More positive feedback? Suggestions that would improve on the service as it is, A cheap, semi-dedicated VPS on older hardware. There is no need to tell me that its old, and I can't compete with larger, established providers. That's like walking into your local farmers market and telling them they are no good, that you can get more for less at a local big box store. Sure, they are a bigger store for a reason, but as a provider for local business and personal services, I appreciate knowing my customers, and being able to provide them with EXACTLY what I offer.

    I'm entertaining providing an 100% uptime SLA, with 25% discounts for every 15 min down due to provider issues. If this makes the "old server" pill easier to swallow, Ill make it so.

    I'm happy with your confident. And agree with you. Though it's maybe hard to survive in LEB world, I believe you have your own calculation and consideration and I wish you a good luck in that.

    Thanked by 1geekalot
  • @cncking2000 said:
    ... Ideal for offsite monitoring, US VPN, web hosting, offsite DNS, etc.

    How about the TOS?

  • @cncking2000 Anyway, best of luck

  • Everyone's complaints aside, DEN is underserved and this looks interesting.

    The cheap-ass in me wants to know if you'd be willing to sell upgrades to put VPSes on Gbit.

  • @lmam86, TOS is being finalized. General US based provider rules regarding email, illegal content, and a no-questions asked refund policy if BW utilization is under 10% (ie, Tested and not liking it...) SLA provisions may be added, but due to ovz kernel updates, I'd like for there to be no confusions over this necessary maintenance, and the required downtime. Posting/Automation/Spam/Marketing Abuse will have their VPS suspended, BW can be used in 1 day if you want to, same with Disk, RAM, CPU (ab)users will be moved to less noisy nodes to accommodate their usage profile.

    @jvnadr, Thank you. I appreciate the time you have taken in responding to and following this thread. I apologize for any offense to your comments that may have come across.

    @ihatetonyy, Gigabit is in the works. I would like to be able to meaningfully commit to higher transit bandwidth before letting everyone blast off. Connectivity is present, currently, nodes are connected via 2x gigabit BOND interface to redundant Cisco hardware.

  • @cncking2000 said:
    @lmam86, TOS is being finalized....

    But how can you say this?

    @cncking2000 said:
    @rajprakash, Been doing this locally as a business for 10 years....

    Pardon me, but I read every important parts that can be said as one of your business capital.

    Is there no legal agreement between you and your clients within 10 years?

    I appreciate all of the people effort to run a business, but I felt a bit strange with some of your words.

  • TACServersTACServers Member
    edited August 2014

    @lmam86, The TOS will need the proper legal terms, names changed, and changes appropriate for a shared hosting environment. When I am contacted to run a server for a company, my terms are stated explicitly in the contract signed with the customer, however this is not a cut and paste change. Otherwise, I know the clients that I host through personal interaction and not sales on my website. Essentially, I have been running a MSP, not a publicly posted and marketed hosting company.

  • Imam86Imam86 Member
    edited August 2014

    It turns out that's where you hide all this time, a MSP.
    :-p

    Do you wait until 10 years for coming into LET, Sir?

  • @Imam86 said:
    It turns out that's where you hide all this time, a MSP.
    :-p

    Do you wait until 10 years for coming into LET, Sir?

    Oh, and where were you hiding, eh? Starting fights as soon as you join LET is not a good look.

    @cncking2000, please take most of the "negative" comments with a pinch of salt. Providers here are incredibly possessive of their market and their fear of someone coming in and taking "their" land usually drives them to hate anyone new.

    Best of luck with your new service! :)

    Thanked by 2ElChile orak
  • @lmam86, I never knew it was an issue to offer a service an older bit of hardware. I appreciate your comments. We can have a personal discussion via PM.

    @0xdragon, Thank you.

  • ATHKATHK Member

    While I'm sure you'll provide a good service to your clients, that price isn't competitive especially here on LET.

    Are you a one man band? Will you have in house techs? Will you have 24/7 American/ Native English speaking support that are actually knowledgable?

  • FlorisFloris Member
    edited August 2014

    @cncking2000 said:
    Floris, Your absolutely right, on all counts, Thankfully, we agree that LET is not the place to make money. In my experience here, nearly all signups from posted offers were fraudulent, or charge-back prone. I'd hate to get started off this site alone, seeing hundreds of dollars in orders vanish because of fraud, and rely solely on bottom feeding to survive. Thanks for looking out, Ill keep running my hosting company as it is right now.

    So, if you're going to charge premium, why not take a more "premium" virtualization platform? Xen HVM, Xen PV, KVM? Just a suggestion.

  • @0xdragon, Pardon me, I didn't mean to start a fight, a war, or a trouble.



    My questions and answers from him even gave him the advantage. Everyone will be more to know, that he is an experienced person.

    Some of us may know, many people who have been a long time in the industry for several years, and then opening or developing their own business. The experience is a positive thing for running business.



    I'm afraid you judge too quickly on my words, negative comments tend to exaggerate, focus on their negativity, and ignore the positive.



    Yes, I've just joined the LET, and I appreciate every words from you, Sir.




    @cncking2000, Just see how everyone talks about your service and you will understand that human beings by nature love to give opinions about things that they don't like.

    But actually it’s a great chance to build relationships, and if you can turn negative criticism into positive criticism, then you’re a winner.

  • Is it fully managed? If so, i think you'd be fully justified to charge this. And ehrm, try using a different platform than OpenVZ, it would justify the price even more.

  • @Floris, Greatly appreciate the comments. I do understand the dislike towards OpenVZ, as it is so easily oversold. I will rebuild this offer with XEN or KVM, once testing is complete. The choice for OpenVZ was based purely on performance, ease of use, and ease of manageability. With these systems, I was looking to optimize performance as much as possible. Thank you for your continued input.

    @ATHK, I am a bit more than a one man band. My wife manages finances and taxes, most likely will be involved with billing. I also work with two others that I know personally, and can vouch for their expertise. They are "on-call" for emergency related issues and disaster recovery. All of us are located within 30 minutes of either DC, and with remote hands, the time to get hands on the issue is minimal. This allows us 24/7 coverage for node and network issues. Customer related technical issues will be covered by myself during a skewed set of "normal" business hours. I would rather not outsource support, and if the node is down, the network is down, or any other critical issue arises, it's already known, and an action plan is being executed.

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