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If you just needed to bypass GFW but don't care about location, what would be the absolute lowest latency and best routing provider/location for users accessing from North-East China?
hello mjj friends do you guys think my internet is china optimized
is your busan murv optimized?
Most likely Japan. Depending on the telco used, it could also be europe region. But for 80+% of cases japan.
In general, for most of China, JP>HK>SG>EU≈US
Thats why nodeseek users are using scripts and bots to hunt greencloud Japan Softbank (abbreviated as sb) or the IIJ routes.
That is insightful, thank you! Are there particular things to look for that dictate whether a provider is China optimised or not?
wow
In general, check if their routing to China uses premium routes or not.
OP and I had said it before in this thread and I'll say it again. China had 3 major telco. Each of them had their own premium international routes. To be "China optimized", it can mean:
Hence, either use those test websites and preform a traceroute to and from China, use one of the many network test scripts (of questional security) on nodeseek. Then use an LLM to search if the ASN/ip ranges correspond to those premium international transits.
Thanks! looking at the ASN is a great tip to confirm their claims.
Mjj loves VPs.
Happy Chickens sounds good.
welcome
"DMIT" (provider) ? Can I have a link to their website please?
Can't judge the first trace， the key hops 6–8 is hidden. But I'd say the second trace looks like using CN2 GIA route, which is the premium route of China Telecom.
I think @SodaWithoutSparkles has offered a lot of informations, great thanks. Let me supply some extra ones. Generally，JP has the lowest latency， but it most depends on the telco used. For example, most of the cheap VPS with China-optimized routes in Japan use SoftBank as their upstream. But because of the increasing user number and congestion，the latency is becoming worse for China Telecom/Unicom during peak hours , as shown in
Of course, there are some other choices. For example，China Unicom has its own “快乐鸡” (happy chicken/machine), alibaba cloud JP：
And there are some more expensive VPS with routes well-optimized for all three carriers, we called it gen2, named by the upstream provider V.PS.
Here's their website: https://www.dmit.io/
Sadly, most of their cost-effective or promo products are out of stock. You can only get one at a high premium on the second-hand market, or buy their regular products at full price. They do often have sales around Christmas though. I'm also waiting for a promo like that
@HeavySword are folks mostly looking for VPS's as a personal VPN or to operate airports?
I think both exists. For me, most of VPS is for personal VPN. But I do meet a lot of people run a airports in nodeseek, which is one kind of subscription-based proxy services that resell access to their nodes.
How does one acquire an invitation to NodeSeek, without a Chinese phone number?
you can apply one in TGbot. But as far as I know, applications from TG accounts registered with non-Chinese (+86) phone numbers are reviewed in batches periodically, so they take longer to get approved.
wow
Thank you! That is good to know about the three telecoms.
I definitely find ping.pe the easiest to use.
That was from Wireguard, so there's +60ms or so.
That is helpful!
I used to think zstaticcdn was something to do with Zillow, ha.
https://tcpquality.ibsgss.uk/r/xx8_koto1p
It seems like all were good but one?
I saw ipinfo.cv in the thread. Reminds me a lot of ipinfo.io. Anyway, this is what I'm seeing for IPv4:
And IPv6:
At some point I would like to announce over my own ASN. The v6 block is my own allocation. I'm renting the /24 from an actual ISP. I think at some point, the residential tag will go away.
Interestingly, Github assets seemed to be blocking me over IPv6 but not IPv4.
From my home Starlink connection, browsing homedepot.com has all kinds of errors on search pages (but works from my phone?) Through Wireguard and out through Slow Servers / Ardent, I didn't have any issues. I checked one of the CGNAT Starlink IPs on ipinfo.cv, and the IP quality was very good.
I guess there's two concerns for many Chinese users. One is if IPs get blocked trying to access AI stuff (so residential is best) and the other is transit quality back to China. Is that right? There must be cases where you have one of those, but not both.
Thats why there's a distinction between "落地鸡" (landing chicken) and "线路鸡/中转鸡" (route chicken/intermediate chicken).
The 落地鸡 (landing chicken) might have terrible connectivity to China, but it doesn't matter. As long as it can "unlock" LLM providers, netflix, reddit, or various other service, it can be a good landing chicken. The most premium quality landing chicken had your own residential IP, and your neighbours (in the same subnet) are behaving themselves. Others who couldn't affort it resort to sharing an IP with others via NAT KVM or LXC.
The 线路鸡 (route chicken) need to have good connectivity to China. Usually they would be the XX快乐鸡 or the 三网优化 ones talked before. Then we would use socks5/shadowsocks/wireguard etc to route the traffic ourselves.
There are also Dual ISP options that combines both, so you get 2 interfaces with 2x ipv4, and forward the packets to the right interface.
the topic title could be shorter, say I am an MJJ.
The better kind. Hopefully he won't become the type of mjj we hate
Welcome to travel in China!
Proton VPN worked fine for a while, but I’m not sure about its current status.
They employ specific techniques: the physical servers are located outside mainland China, yet the IP addresses are incorrectly identified as being within mainland China—or, to put it another way, most social media platforms misclassify these IP addresses as originating from mainland China.
Which server location? I assume HK?
Yes
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Not +86 too, it only took a few days in my case, fyi