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Are providers winding down their operations in Russia?
Melbicom has announced that they will be shutting down their Moscow location:
As operational complexity, predictability, and hardware lifecycle constraints in Moscow have become increasingly challenging, our ability to maintain these standards can no longer be sustained with sufficient certainty. We have therefore decided to retire our Moscow location.
Has anyone else heard of other providers doing this as well?
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No. This is their personal decision. Perhaps their customer base does not require a large presence in Russia, and the revenues do not justify the expenses.
VEESP has also closed all their sales in RU apparently, but the loc still remains available. Who knows for how long tough.
Curious on what will happen to all the providers that currently upstream to Melbicom, which are not a few... (e.g. EDIS/AS57169, just.hosting/Baxet Group, OneProvider, ...)
Operating there isn't getting easier, that's forsure.
I also noticed that Veesp has removed RU from their status page 'status[.]veesp[.]com'. They've operated there for a long time, sad to see.
Especially with growing internet censorship in Russia, I can't imagine it makes sense to offer services there unless you solely target the domestic market.
so RU will become another China???
Russia is worse than China already in my opinion. I have lots of people in Russia using my service, and the IPs they use are being actively blocked every 24-48 hours by the Russian government. They seem to be actively cracking down on people running VPNs. My website also sometimes shows a blank white page for people in Russia, so they're also doing some weird filtering that affects my control panel.
The only way to get past it is if you run a business network, like Rostelecom, and you don't have the filters applied to you since the government censorship only affects individuals connections, not businesses.
Do you mean Russia becomes Iran?
i heard that the RU Gov. block IPs by ASN number
There is one simple thing. By leaving Russia, a Western provider is giving its business to a local competitor. Now, almost all Russian providers, in addition to local access, provide servers in many other countries locally for Russia and for rubles. Taxes and other things are paid. By leaving, Western providers are only helping businesses in Russia get a profit instead them.
I know quite a few Russian hosting providers—large, medium, and small—that are actively operating. Yes, being based in the Russian Federation, they are subject to Russian jurisdiction, just like hosting providers in any other country.
There are also many hosting providers from neighboring former Soviet states that offer servers located in Russia.
Yes, Roskomnadzor frequently identifies IP addresses where its systems detect VPN servers. This often happens because users running VPNs on their servers fail to secure them properly. Users who employ SNI for domains they do not own, or who use outdated protocols and transport methods, draw unwanted attention—not only to themselves but also to their subnet neighbors, thereby putting them at risk.
yes censorship will help the economy, censorship is amazing, local businesses will thrive
the more we censor the better
finally some intellectual westerner!!
one flying ukrainian lawnmower away from your russian data center being blown up. smart businesses left already or leave now
it's so interesting that when the eu does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans, americans and russians all saying its retarded
when sua does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans, americans and russians all saying its retarded
when russia does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans and americans saying its retarded while russians think its super smart (not rarely with the support of some westerners as well)
they're really something else
there is no alternative news there, so their opinion is very one sided. Similar like turkye/china and other dictatorships.
There are no military operations or threats of military attacks in China. In any country, if this starts, then your Internet will be severely limited. Modern weapons use the mobile Internet as a means of control, and they have to take this into account.
The restrictions mainly apply to mobile networks. That is, the wireless Internet. During drone attacks from a neighboring state, an alert is received and immediately the system closes all possible holes except for sites from the white lists. The VPN is not working. After the attack passes, everything comes back again. VPN is working. But access to foreign websites is severely limited.
There are no restrictions for home wired Internet such as on mobile since it cannot be used remotely for military purposes.
It's not about censorship, it's about security.
I was not referring to military attacks. I was referring to Russian government censorship of their own citizens - lots of which pay me money for a working service, and almost all of which have constant issues now because their government is trying to prevent them from accessing the free worlds internet. This has nothing to do with wireless/mobile internet. I test extensively with Russian residential wired networks and when the blocks occur, it's blocked across the whole country for residential Russian internet providers (from St Petersburg to Vladivostok!). The blocks are targeted to individual IPs of Russian clients who run VPNs.
Don't come here and spew your authoritarian glazing bullshit to me.
You're a known Russia/Putin sympathizer that agrees to all of the governments terrorist actions.
I agree. Situation in Russia is way worse. Chinese still easily find their way. Its harder for Russians, or maybe they dont feel the need to do the work. Dunno...
Dude I can't even use Cloudflare/Google DNS in most of my servers in RU, what are you even saying.
Even speedtest is blocked like
Hope you're enjoying your nice 16Kbps Cloudflare connection to LET. I assume you're not using a VPN to bypass your government blocks, right?
Well, these are too generalized conclusions. And what your clients do is also questionable.Yes, there are limitations compared to a couple of years ago. But it's not critical. It took a very long time to download something. An 80 megabyte file can be downloaded for an hour instead of one minute as before
But again, I repeat this on mobile networks. The situation is completely different on the home wired Internet. Referring only to censorship is a real idiocy. There are many factors involved. It's just that all the haters are starting to fuck up on it. That's their goal.
Cloudflare (and some CloudFront IPs, from my experience) is throttled to 16Kbps. Not entirely blocked but unusable. Unsure if it affects the whole region, but I experience that heavily in my RU servers. Most traffic goes via MSK/SPB either way, so it gets throttled one way or another.
Data centers have access to the global Internet, so they also limit the connection. They are also anonymous. that is, they do not require the conclusion of a contract and do not check your passport. Anonymously means with security restrictions.
Note that no Russian provider checks your IP address or blocks you from registering like many Western providers. And does not ask you for KYC. This is the price you pay for your anonymity.
BS. There is no internet censorship in Israel, even during the war. While there was a total
blackout in Iran. So it's not the war, it's the dictators who are afraid of their own people.
Russian providers are anonymous now? this is a new one for me
Sure buddy. Just a few examples.
I'n not going to change what you think. People can take their own conclusions. But once I'm able to, I'll cancel every single one of my RU servers, just because they're unmanageable. 1000 different workarounds to update packages or do simple things, it's absurd.
I totally understand why one would not want to have a server there. Or continue business there. RKN makes sudden changes with no justification whatsoever and only hurts real businesses.
I have never been asked to provide documents at all. I've tried almost everyone. Western providers often blocked me on KYC many times or because of the wrong IP.
Now is generally a bad time for you to buy services in Russia.
Israel is a dwarf state. So they don't consider it necessary. One drone a week is not a reason. Russia has a border of more than 2 thousand kilometers with its neighboring state alone. Up to 600 drones arrive daily. Quantity and magnitude are incompatible with your realities
In Belarus, for example, there are no restrictions. Everything is working. But as soon as you do something, the competent authorities will immediately come to you. Try.
Good, another proof that you are an uneducated putler asslicker:
So there is much more sense to censor the mobile internet and satellites against potential
attacks. Of course, if it's really to protect the people, and not your dick-tator
Yeah, just media censorship before it even hits the internet.
Dead journalists can't publish anything, so online censorship is unnecessary.
All my Tor relay IPs have been blocked in Belarus for years... Not even Russia is this aggressive with blocks.
VPNs are just illegal there... I highly doubt mainstream protocols (e.g WG/OVPN) work properly, but I haven't checked.
If something doesn't suit you, just GTFO. You have a choice.