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Reject provider tags when the provider does not own the ASN

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  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited 5:02AM

    @rpqu said:

    @Levi said:
    Should 1-man operations be banned?

    @MikeA @MannDude LOL

    We're not a 1-man operation. We've got TWO whole people. And I did already pre-pay a month of service from a 3rd who'd work as a contractor, but because I'm retarded and busy I never created onboarding documentation or anything so basically just paid a dude to sit idle with no access to anything. Woops.

    Anyway, 2 or 3 trustworthy well paid people is better than outsourcing to a 3rd world ticket factory even if they don't do the needful as fast.

    Thanked by 1ServerBachelor
  • MikeAMikeA Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited 5:10AM

    @rpqu said:

    @Levi said:
    Should 1-man operations be banned?

    @MikeA @MannDude LOL

    Confirmed, please ban
    edit: I view LET too much anyway :'(

    Thanked by 1MannDude
  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited 5:31AM

    @MannDude said:
    We're not a 1-man operation. We've got TWO whole people. And I did already pre-pay a month of service from a 3rd who'd work as a contractor, but because I'm retarded and busy I never created onboarding documentation or anything so basically just paid a dude to sit idle with no access to anything. Woops.

    Anyway, 2 or 3 trustworthy well paid people is better than outsourcing to a 3rd world ticket factory even if they don't do the needful as fast.

    LOL. Turns out it's not just the customer that idle. Also have you consider to on-board your wife so it became a "family business"?
    Ticket factory is cheap solution, but risk of agent deviating from SOP is high enough, risky. I think I have seen 3-4 times where LET provider's ticketing agent asked for the vps/root password. So, good choice 👍

    @MikeA said:
    Confirmed, please ban

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    edit: I view LET too much anyway :'(

    I will overtake you in 2035/2036

    Thanked by 2MannDude MikeA
  • kukara4kukara4 Member, Patron Provider
    edited 5:25AM

    Why? Get LIR and own ASN is not much harder than open a company, you pay and that's it. And OVH, for example, has BYOIP, so you can announce own IPs from OVH network. It's same reseller, but with ASN.

  • CalypsoCalypso Member

    An ASN is not a sign that you cannot make a mess of things. Examples enough to be found of that.

  • LeviLevi Veteran

    @kukara4 said:
    Why? Get LIR and own ASN is not much harder than open a company, you pay and that's it. And OVH, for example, has BYOIP, so you can announce own IPs from OVH network. It's same reseller, but with ASN.

    Asn costs money and requires knowledge. It may serve as a barier for entrance into hosting business. But yes, it does not define if vendor malicious.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @rpqu said:

    @MannDude said:
    We're not a 1-man operation. We've got TWO whole people. And I did already pre-pay a month of service from a 3rd who'd work as a contractor, but because I'm retarded and busy I never created onboarding documentation or anything so basically just paid a dude to sit idle with no access to anything. Woops.

    Anyway, 2 or 3 trustworthy well paid people is better than outsourcing to a 3rd world ticket factory even if they don't do the needful as fast.

    LOL. Turns out it's not just the customer that idle. Also have you consider to on-board your wife so it became a "family business"?
    Ticket factory is cheap solution, but risk of agent deviating from SOP is high enough, risky. I think I have seen 3-4 times where LET provider's ticketing agent asked for the vps/root password. So, good choice 👍

    Once she learns English, she's getting onboarded. (/s)

    Once IncogilizuorMCSadmin is released I'll be saving enough on licensing fees that I can hire ten good men. (Also /s)

    Thanked by 1ServerBachelor
  • VirMach has its own ASN. Does this make it more reliable? Huh?

  • xvpsxvps Member

    fruit and vegestables: $22,500.

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  • Also "the famous" C1V hosting has its own ASN. Does this make them more reliable and should we bring the basement datacenter guy back? (With his "AI optimized" services)

  • LeviLevi Veteran

    Does ihost fart has ASN?

  • forestforest Member

    @lovelyserver said: Also "the famous" C1V hosting has its own ASN. Does this make them more reliable and should we bring the basement datacenter guy back? (With his "AI optimized" services)

    I've heard the owner has behaved poorly but in the year I've had services with him, I've never had any reliability issues. Actually, I don't think there's been enough downtime for me to even notice.

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @Levi said:
    Does ihost fart has ASN?

    https://bgp.tools/as/214209

  • @Levi said:
    Does ihost fart has ASN?

    https://bgp.tools/as/214209 according to their footer website

  • @forest said:

    @lovelyserver said: Also "the famous" C1V hosting has its own ASN. Does this make them more reliable and should we bring the basement datacenter guy back? (With his "AI optimized" services)

    I've heard the owner has behaved poorly but in the year I've had services with him, I've never had any reliability issues. Actually, I don't think there's been enough downtime for me to even notice.

    No downtime, true, but poor quality for me.

  • LeviLevi Veteran

    And yet 20k in BTC was siphoned. That's the answer - ASN does not stop or indicate anything beyond penis size.

  • HostDZireHostDZire Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Alyx said:
    I honestly don't understand why resellers should be seen as less.

    Like, your suggestion would mean DeluxHost is totally fine, while HostDZire would not be allowed to be a provider.

    Wait, when @TheGreatOakley said “Leaseweb reseller,” was he specifically referring to us? Really?

    For context, we operate our own ASN, AS150623, and announce more prefixes than quite a few providers here:
    https://bgp.he.net/AS150623#_prefixes

    That's only for our India infrastructure.

    For our other locations, we use Leaseweb for colocation and network connectivity, which is why those IP ranges are announced under Leaseweb’s ASN.

    We chose Leaseweb instead of dealing directly with individual data centers for one reason: operational reliability.

    Remote hands and emergency support are extremely important when you operate infrastructure across multiple countries. With Leaseweb, if there is a hardware or rack-level issue, we can generally expect their team to reach our rack quickly and assist. In our experience, that is often better than relying on third-party remote-hands companies or even some datacenter-operated remote-hands services.

    Of course, there are excellent datacenter operators such as Equinix and several others, but support quality varies considerably between facilities.

    We also use Leaseweb’s network rather than building and operating our own network at multiple locations.

    Running your own network properly is not as simple as buying IP transit and plugging in a router. You need engineers available 24/7, proper redundancy, monitoring, routing expertise, carrier management, incident response, and enough scale to justify the operational cost.

    Using Leaseweb’s network is certainly not cheaper than simply purchasing transit directly. In fact, it can be considerably more expensive. But what we are paying for is stability, operational support, and a network team that is available around the clock.

    After being in this business for 13 years, we have learned that the cheapest infrastructure is not always the best infrastructure.

    So yes, we deliberately chose to work with a company that has been operating for more than 20 years because reliability and stability matter more to us than simply being able to say that every router, transit session, and datacenter contract is managed independently.

  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep
    edited 9:46AM

    @HostDZire said: Wait, when @TheGreatOakley said “Leaseweb reseller,” was he specifically referring to us? Really?

    Oh it was not my intention to imply this.
    I just used you as an example of a Leaseweb reseller that is generally doing a good job, I would argue also because of the stability you get from using a platform like Leaseweb.

  • ObelousObelous Member

    🍿

  • @HostDZire said:

    @Alyx said:
    I honestly don't understand why resellers should be seen as less.

    Like, your suggestion would mean DeluxHost is totally fine, while HostDZire would not be allowed to be a provider.

    Wait, when @TheGreatOakley said “Leaseweb reseller,” was he specifically referring to us? Really?

    For context, we operate our own ASN, AS150623, and announce more prefixes than quite a few providers here:
    https://bgp.he.net/AS150623#_prefixes

    That's only for our India infrastructure.

    For our other locations, we use Leaseweb for colocation and network connectivity, which is why those IP ranges are announced under Leaseweb’s ASN.

    We chose Leaseweb instead of dealing directly with individual data centers for one reason: operational reliability.

    Remote hands and emergency support are extremely important when you operate infrastructure across multiple countries. With Leaseweb, if there is a hardware or rack-level issue, we can generally expect their team to reach our rack quickly and assist. In our experience, that is often better than relying on third-party remote-hands companies or even some datacenter-operated remote-hands services.

    Of course, there are excellent datacenter operators such as Equinix and several others, but support quality varies considerably between facilities.

    We also use Leaseweb’s network rather than building and operating our own network at multiple locations.

    Running your own network properly is not as simple as buying IP transit and plugging in a router. You need engineers available 24/7, proper redundancy, monitoring, routing expertise, carrier management, incident response, and enough scale to justify the operational cost.

    Using Leaseweb’s network is certainly not cheaper than simply purchasing transit directly. In fact, it can be considerably more expensive. But what we are paying for is stability, operational support, and a network team that is available around the clock.

    After being in this business for 13 years, we have learned that the cheapest infrastructure is not always the best infrastructure.

    So yes, we deliberately chose to work with a company that has been operating for more than 20 years because reliability and stability matter more to us than simply being able to say that every router, transit session, and datacenter contract is managed independently.

    Perhaps there is a Leaseweb alternative you overlooked.

  • HostDZireHostDZire Patron Provider, Veteran

    @RAVNIX said:

    @HostDZire said:
    Isn't owning ASN is easier than creating a legally registered company?

    Usually you need a legally registered company to get an ASN unless you want to have the ASN in your personal name.

    Also, both are just money things. Almost anyone can register a company and ASN, they just need the registration money.

    Oh, but I don’t think he said anything about having your own ASN issued through an LIR or directly by an RIR. in that case yes they do ask for documents.

  • HostDZireHostDZire Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Motion3549 said:

    @HostDZire said:

    @Alyx said:
    I honestly don't understand why resellers should be seen as less.

    Like, your suggestion would mean DeluxHost is totally fine, while HostDZire would not be allowed to be a provider.

    Wait, when @TheGreatOakley said “Leaseweb reseller,” was he specifically referring to us? Really?

    For context, we operate our own ASN, AS150623, and announce more prefixes than quite a few providers here:
    https://bgp.he.net/AS150623#_prefixes

    That's only for our India infrastructure.

    For our other locations, we use Leaseweb for colocation and network connectivity, which is why those IP ranges are announced under Leaseweb’s ASN.

    We chose Leaseweb instead of dealing directly with individual data centers for one reason: operational reliability.

    Remote hands and emergency support are extremely important when you operate infrastructure across multiple countries. With Leaseweb, if there is a hardware or rack-level issue, we can generally expect their team to reach our rack quickly and assist. In our experience, that is often better than relying on third-party remote-hands companies or even some datacenter-operated remote-hands services.

    Of course, there are excellent datacenter operators such as Equinix and several others, but support quality varies considerably between facilities.

    We also use Leaseweb’s network rather than building and operating our own network at multiple locations.

    Running your own network properly is not as simple as buying IP transit and plugging in a router. You need engineers available 24/7, proper redundancy, monitoring, routing expertise, carrier management, incident response, and enough scale to justify the operational cost.

    Using Leaseweb’s network is certainly not cheaper than simply purchasing transit directly. In fact, it can be considerably more expensive. But what we are paying for is stability, operational support, and a network team that is available around the clock.

    After being in this business for 13 years, we have learned that the cheapest infrastructure is not always the best infrastructure.

    So yes, we deliberately chose to work with a company that has been operating for more than 20 years because reliability and stability matter more to us than simply being able to say that every router, transit session, and datacenter contract is managed independently.

    Perhaps there is a Leaseweb alternative you overlooked.

    There is, of course, but not at a comparable cost.
    Either the cost is too high, or the reliability is questionable.
    There are very few options when you also consider cost and reliability.
    When you have a lot of money to spend, it's an easy choice, but when you have a limited budget and are also looking for quality, the options are very few.

  • HostDZireHostDZire Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited 10:01AM

    @Alyx said:

    @HostDZire said: Wait, when @TheGreatOakley said “Leaseweb reseller,” was he specifically referring to us? Really?

    Oh it was not my intention to imply this.
    I just used you as an example of a Leaseweb reseller that is generally doing a good job, I would argue also because of the stability you get from using a platform like Leaseweb.

    Yes i know of course <3

  • handyhosthandyhost Member, Host Rep

    Curse you Perry the Platypus

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