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how hard would being a provider?
hello let,
i'm looking for a job in corporate companies as a senior penetration tester more than four years. because i'm currently working as consultant, and i don't want that. consultancy pay range is the lowest and work times are much. things are bad in world but specifically in turkiye, it's worst. ghost job ads, jobs not offered to non networked persons, etc.. i did a lot of job applications worldwide and they simply want visa that i don't have. they don't want to sponsor me. (or turkish persons?)
i thought that, why wouldn't i start a vps/vds company? i don't have a budget so i can't use my own hardware. best thing i could do is rent a good servers then split it. i planned that i don't just sell vps. i also want to include it/system and penetration testing consultancy. for providing consultancy to banks and government orgs, there is a requirement called "tse" and they want a lot of things, also much money. so i only can provide penetration testing consultancy to private companies at start.
plan is: one beast server with proxmox ve, one storage server with proxmox backup server, turkiye location, give vds customers guaranteed 1g, whmcs etc.
maybe this question asked here much, but how do you see that plan? i can't provide more things i'm planning, so it's not just be vps provider, at least at start.
any input would help me really much because i don't have anyone to talk about this topic. currently planning with gpt and doing custom research.
thanks,
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I would say @emgh and @oloke is pretty hard right now
give up now
This is the kind of question that will never get good answers, those who could help will simply refuse to help you and with good reason, they have better things to do.
I suggest you do your homework first.
usually gets very hard while being a receiver rather than a provider.
It's underappreciated job
Don't recommend. Many sleepless nights, going gray, a lot of anxiety.
Proper market research and business planning are necessary. Prior to anything else
DO NOT HOST
Just what the world needs...another newbie Turkish provider with a single node.
You just slap vainamoinen on top and look how money flows in. + operate in some grey area.
It's a tough business to be in. There's a lot of competition — even kids now run VPS/hosting companies offering "premium" locations and so on. Then they go bust fast when the money doesn't come in at the expected rate. On top of that, dealing with spam, abusers and other fraud clowns takes time.
Your Turkish location and being a local there could give you an advantage. But the problem will be international bandwidth (almost everyone will expect you to provide TBs per month on a $2 plan) and, of course, uptime and local datacenter network quality is a problem.
I'd like to do something similar too, and I already have a target market in mind. The main problem is finding a suitable dedicated server provider that supports BGP and allows me to announce my own IP ranges.
Starting on one Proxmox box is honestly the right call — you learn the ops pain before scaling. Biggest tip: figure out billing and support before your first customer, that's what kills most one-man providers. Also never promise an SLA you can't keep, this crowd will roast you for it lol.
If you want to be a bargain basement provider like on LET, it can't be that hard or there wouldn't be so many of them, but I don't think they're making lots of money, either. You have to actually do something to make real money - things that automate themselves aren't worth very much.
Because of your other IT plans, you could go for vertical integration - if you need a VPS to host someone's website, you can make your own VPS instead of getting one from somewhere else. You can charge more money for website, plus hosting, than for interchangeable hosting by itself.
Also since you are targeting business customers, you don't have to compete on low prices (like on LET) - you can complete on reliability, professionalism, quick support. A business can afford to pay $100 every month (just an example - idk market prices) for a website that costs $7 every year to host, just because then it's your problem instead of their problem.
I don't think the SLA promise is the problem, more the non-communication some providers show here. But yeah sure, some people gonna be absolute furious about it. As much shit as deluxhost gets, they kept people informed here. Although I would have preferred some email while it was ongoing, not just after. Alexhost also kept people updated here(I'm not a customer so I can't say anything about emails), what's happening and I highly appreciate that. I'm still mega upset that my isp told me fuck all what happened after the internet was down for 2 weeks.
Correct, the task is to persuade this business to pay you those $100 every month. If you can do it - great, your margin is thick.
i generally ask probiders if owned hardware or not... if not 9/10 cases i stay away
Which is why you have to provide something they can't get for $7. The minimum is going to be them having your direct phone number for quick problem solving. You can't just leave it hands off like a cheap provider. You have to provide something that was more annoying to them than $100 - usually, something they had to hire someone to do.
And it doesn't matter if it's actually better than $100, only if they think it does. A lot of the "your problem now" stuff is here. Hosting a static website is easy, they'd still rather pay a little money to make it someone else's problem. If they go to Wix it won't be Wix's problem, it'll still be their problem if it breaks and Wix's AI chatbot can't fix it. If they go to you you try to sell them a whole website service from beginning to end. You can have limits like you don't do web design, only hosting, but then you'd better take full control and responsibility for the hosting. You might even want to partner with a web design company so that you can offer design. That's for small businesses - big ones wouldn't outsource their web design.
Joel on Software on pricing - still relevant today: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/15/camels-and-rubber-duckies/
That shouldn't be too hard. Don't wait for them to advertise it - ask them about it. Prefer ones that actually own their servers and aren't just reselling someone else.
If your nice and shiny server will go down regularly, this is not really gonna help. Otherwise, AWS, GCP and others would have been out of business.
@Saragoldfarb wants all her providers to be very hard
Yes, but preferably way more than 4 years of penetration experience.
That being said, there's the odd newbie who get it's done right from the get go. Yet, they're like a project, gotta teach them and steer them in the right direction to reach ultimate highs.
@rizzler
All the turkish providers I saw here either failed or have a hard time to get customers on board, mainly due to the legal situation in Turkey ( e.g. no PayPal), which is quite serious in particular for a new player.
Within the turkish market there already exist quite a few players, incl. bigger ones and/or even ones with their own DC.
Ergo: you must offer something that's not easy to find/available and that's really attractive for your targeted clientele.
Result -> based on what I've seen so far chances don't look good for you. Lack of capital, lack of experience, largely limited to your country, and IMO, pardon me, a "plan" that's boring and not realistic (plus highly likely not well researched and thought through).
Good luck anyway.
What's would be the USP for a (reliable) provider who bmis located in turkey? I have a lot of servers in exotic locations but have never been tempted to get one in turkey.
'USP'? 'bmis'?
FWIW, I did have two VPS (IIRC) from turkish providers at least one of which was decent (but too combersome wrt payment).
Unique selling point. Sorry about that. What's the upside of the location? I'm not seeing it. Genuine question.
Read that as thighs.
Small difference. Same outcome? Thank god it's weekend!
If you can't even get a job for an existing company, give up; you're either unqualified or there's too much competition to succeed.
If you do get a job, learn what they're doing right and wrong and after 1+ years, you can strike out on your own knowing you have some experience and seen what people who know wtf they're doing do in situations.
I do not know of any particular upside (besides maybe low latency to a few countries in the region). Maybe there are some but that's not something to ask me but rather turkish providers.
Easy. Making money and having high quality customers is hard, It is a large investment, you will not be seen as quality unless you have redundancy, and dealing with Spam + low end users vs pricing right and offering a high quality and trusted service is hell. I would not recommend personally.