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NiuProxy · August 31

@popproqn said:
And most importantly, I also tested bandwidth usage with your niuproxy.com system, and the bandwidth calculation is still double like okkproxy.

Furthermore, you were banned together on Reddit, and the moderator of that subreddit stated that you were banned together on that subreddit.

https://www.image2url.com/r2/default/images/1788163387704-b747dc0b-fe3a-409f-8e1a-d73aadc6e4c0.png

As for the NiuProxy test and the Reddit matter, neither independently establishes that a NiuProxy account was billed incorrectly. The relevant evidence is the actual NiuProxy account usage and order records.

That's what should be used to verify any billing discrepancy.

NiuProxy · August 31

@popproqn said:
You are trying to distance NiuProxy from OkkProxy by saying the person who directed me was only an “external promotional representative.” However, that person was the contact officially provided on your NiuProxy promotional post, and they redirected me to OkkProxy. The proxy system and ports used by both are also identical. This raises reasonable questions about the relationship between the two.
To avoid further debate on that point, I would like to focus on a clearer issue.
Can NiuProxy please give an official and clear confirmation on how traffic is calculated on your platform?
Specifically:

Do you only count downstream traffic?
Or do you count both upstream + downstream?
Is the final usage multiplied by 2 (x2)?

Please answer directly as NiuProxy, not through any external representative.
If your billing method is normal, it should be easy to confirm publicly that you do not use the upstream + downstream × 2 calculation.
Once you give a clear official statement, I will verify it with actual data and provide the corresponding evidence.
Looking forward to your clear reply.> @NiuProxy said:

@popproqn said:
Regarding the forum post community.bablosoft.com , you provided your Telegram contact information as @cxy0319 and your sales site information as niuproxy. I then messaged you, and you directed me to use okkproxy. You claimed you were different companies, but why was the company information the same, and that all the servers using the proxy were 100% identical?

Furthermore, I have provided the complete chat logs. I downloaded the entire chat before it was deleted, but it contains some of my personal information, so I cannot send everything. I am certain that the images I provided are complete.

https://community.bablosoft.com/topic/32342/niuproxy-pricing-deal-dynamic-residential-proxies-1tb-up-to-0-50-gb-10tb-from-0-30-gb

https://www.image2url.com/r2/default/images/1788162787270-290702ac-bc2b-4da5-9c8f-4d7d5adcb4ca.png

https://www.image2url.com/r2/default/images/1788162957066-43f326ed-fe45-49bd-b8c7-32e4fab58be5.png

Thanks for providing the additional context. We just want to clarify one important point regarding the screenshots you have posted.

The person shown in these screenshots was an external promotional representative engaged by us to help with promotion and customer outreach. They were not responsible for NiuProxy's billing system, usage accounting, or technical operations, and their statements should not be treated as an official explanation of NiuProxy's billing methodology.

This also explains why you may have been directed from NiuProxy to OkkProxy when contacting that person. Using the same external promotional representative does not mean that statements made in a conversation with that representative constitute NiuProxy billing records or establish how your NiuProxy account was actually charged.

We understand that you have retained the full conversation and that it contains personal information, and we are not asking you to disclose that information publicly. However, screenshots from a conversation with an external representative still cannot establish whether your NiuProxy account was actually billed incorrectly.

If there is a specific discrepancy with your NiuProxy account, the relevant information would be the NiuProxy order, usage records, and account history. Those are the records that can verify the actual billing.

Regarding the account restriction, we won't discuss customer-specific account history or private communications publicly. We simply want to make sure that conclusions about NiuProxy's billing are based on the actual NiuProxy account records rather than statements from an external promotional representative.

You are trying to distance NiuProxy from OkkProxy by saying the person who directed me was only an “external promotional representative.” However, that person was the contact officially provided on your NiuProxy promotional post, and they redirected me to OkkProxy. The proxy system and ports used by both are also identical. This raises reasonable questions about the relationship between the two.
To avoid further debate on that point, I would like to focus on a clearer issue.
Can NiuProxy please give an official and clear confirmation on how traffic is calculated on your platform?
Specifically:

Do you only count downstream traffic?
Or do you count both upstream + downstream?
Is the final usage multiplied by 2 (x2)?

Please answer directly as NiuProxy, not through any external representative.
If your billing method is normal, it should be easy to confirm publicly that you do not use the upstream + downstream × 2 calculation.
Once you give a clear official statement, I will verify it with actual data and provide the corresponding evidence.
Looking forward to your clear reply.

We don't think a public yes/no statement taken out of the context of a specific account would meaningfully resolve this dispute.

The relevant question is not what can be inferred from screenshots or individual tests, but what the actual NiuProxy account records show. If you believe your account was billed incorrectly, the order and usage records are the appropriate evidence to verify that.

We have nothing further to add based on screenshots from another brand or moderation decisions on another platform.

rick2610 · August 31

why can you not explain how the billing is? in short sentences no long bla story.

NiuProxy · August 31

@rick2610 said:
why can you not explain how the billing is? in short sentences no long bla story.

Count both upstream and downstream.

popproqn · August 31

@NiuProxy said:

@rick2610 said:
why can you not explain how the billing is? in short sentences no long bla story.

Count both upstream and downstream.

So you're confirming that the upstream and downstream charges will only be applied one, not double, right?

Are you sure?

popproqn · August 31

And another ridiculous thing, you say you have no connection to okkproxy, so why is my okkproxy account also banned when I try to log in with niuproxy.com ? Haha

And once again, please confirm that you only charge upstream and downstream once, and don't charge the reverse direction with double bandwidth.

If you dare confirm this, I will send you a video showing that you are completely lying.

https://www.image2url.com/r2/default/images/1788178163095-f66e1bf9-d90a-402a-a86f-6cca4c090ec8.png

zed · August 31

gosh who would have expected shady shit from residential proxy providers?

NiuProxy · September 1

@popproqn said:

And another ridiculous thing, you say you have no connection to okkproxy, so why is my okkproxy account also banned when I try to log in with niuproxy.com ? Haha

And once again, please confirm that you only charge upstream and downstream once, and don't charge the reverse direction with double bandwidth.

If you dare confirm this, I will send you a video showing that you are completely lying.

https://www.image2url.com/r2/default/images/1788178163095-f66e1bf9-d90a-402a-a86f-6cca4c090ec8.png

Your NiuProxy account was restricted due to security-related factors associated with your previous activity.

This is an account-management matter and has nothing to do with how bandwidth usage is calculated.

NiuProxy · September 1

@popproqn said:

@NiuProxy said:

@rick2610 said:
why can you not explain how the billing is? in short sentences no long bla story.

Count both upstream and downstream.

So you're confirming that the upstream and downstream charges will only be applied one, not double, right?

Are you sure?

Yes. NiuProxy calculates usage based on normal upstream + downstream traffic consumption. Each direction is counted as its actual traffic usage, not artificially doubled.

forest · September 1

@NiuProxy said: Your NiuProxy account was restricted due to security-related factors associated with your previous activity.

Being a little more open about the details would go a long way for dispelling mistrust. I'm sure @popproqn wouldn't mind considering you both feel like the full details will exonerate you. All we have now is a he-said she-said situation with severely missing context and contradictory claims.

popproqn · September 3

@NiuProxy said:

@popproqn said:

@NiuProxy said:

@rick2610 said:
why can you not explain how the billing is? in short sentences no long bla story.

Count both upstream and downstream.

So you're confirming that the upstream and downstream charges will only be applied one, not double, right?

Are you sure?

Yes. NiuProxy calculates usage based on normal upstream + downstream traffic consumption. Each direction is counted as its actual traffic usage, not artificially doubled.

This is the most detailed video testing how Niuproxy calculates traffic, and I've also clearly explained the entire testing process in the text file.

Looking at the initial results, the total bandwidth used was 190MB at the start of the test.

After running the test on a 100MB file, you can see that instead of calculating only 100MB and using 290MB of bandwidth,

the bandwidth used became 390MB. You can see in the statics that they calculated that download at 200MB, even though clearly only 100MB was downloaded in curl.

Therefore, you are clearly seeing double the data usage, contrary to your previous claims.

This video may take you 3 minutes
because this proxy provider only updates bandwidth at even hours, once every hour.

For everyone using Niuproxy and OkkProxy proxies, you can try checking using my method or yours.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ksQzXJKbFxSoVOq1nZzsj_WVYQqSQHAj/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YKA5hfpUYXpFHH4GqLScZay1tfJX0JaS/view?usp=sharing

Guululu · September 14

Unable to pay with Alipay.

yoursunny · September 14

@NiuProxy said:
Yes. NiuProxy calculates usage based on normal upstream + downstream traffic consumption. Each direction is counted as its actual traffic usage, not artificially doubled.

@popproqn said:
Looking at the initial results, the total bandwidth used was 190MB at the start of the test.

After running the test on a 100MB file, you can see that instead of calculating only 100MB and using 290MB of bandwidth,

the bandwidth used became 390MB. You can see in the statics that they calculated that download at 200MB, even though clearly only 100MB was downloaded in curl.

Therefore, you are clearly seeing double the data usage, contrary to your previous claims.

This matches their claim.
When you download a 100MB file through an HTTP proxy, two TCP flows are established:

One flow between the HTTP client and the HTTP proxy.
One flow between the HTTP proxy and the HTTP server.

The file has to go through both TCP flows.
From the proxy’s point of view, this would be ~100MB inbound traffic (from the HTTP server) and ~100MB outbound traffic (to the HTTP client).
Hence, you see the traffic meter incremented by 200MB.

If you deploy HTTP client, proxy, server on three separate VPS that each counts traffic in both directions, and then replicate this experiment:

The HTTP server has 100MB traffic usage.
The HTTP proxy has 200MB traffic usage.
The HTTP client has 100MB traffic usage.

Whether it’s fair to meter traffic like this, it’s a good question.
We’d say it’s fair, because if a proxy operator only meters traffic on one of the two flows, it would be possible to construct a scenario where one flow has significantly higher traffic usage than the other.
For example, if we only meter the client-proxy side:

The client downloads a highly compressible file, such as those served by Deep Atlantic Storage.
The client sends a request with Accept-Encoding: gzip.
The server sends an 100MB uncompressed response.
The proxy would compress the response and send to the client.

Now, the proxy operator could only bill less than 1MB of traffic on the client-proxy flow, while spending 100MB on the proxy-server flow.
If the proxy runs on a VPS, the VPS would have consumed 101MB.

OpaqueRegistrant · September 14

@yoursunny said:

@NiuProxy said:
Yes. NiuProxy calculates usage based on normal upstream + downstream traffic consumption. Each direction is counted as its actual traffic usage, not artificially doubled.

@popproqn said:
Looking at the initial results, the total bandwidth used was 190MB at the start of the test.

After running the test on a 100MB file, you can see that instead of calculating only 100MB and using 290MB of bandwidth,

the bandwidth used became 390MB. You can see in the statics that they calculated that download at 200MB, even though clearly only 100MB was downloaded in curl.

Therefore, you are clearly seeing double the data usage, contrary to your previous claims.

This matches their claim.
When you download a 100MB file through an HTTP proxy, two TCP flows are established:

One flow between the HTTP client and the HTTP proxy.

One flow between the HTTP proxy and the HTTP server.

Well they're selling proxy bandwidth, not raw bandwidth. Proxying 100MB means that 100MB goes from the server to the proxy and then 100MB goes from the proxy to the client. Total amount proxied is 100MB because proxying means both directions. If you sell someone 100MB of proxy, you better let the proxy download 100MB and upload 100MB.

If your ISP sells you a 1TB bandwidth allowance, you don't expect it to run out after downloading 500GB because the data had to come into your ISP network, and then go out of your ISP network, right? No, they're saying they'll let 1TB come through the network, which includes both ingressing 1TB and egressing 1TB.

Now what I actually want to know: is there a way to get paid for running a proxy at my house?

itzsenu · September 14

@OpaqueRegistrant said: Total amount proxied is 100MB because proxying means both directions. If you sell someone 100MB of proxy, you better let the proxy download 100MB and upload 100MB.

if a user downloads 100MB through the proxy:

User <- 100MB <- Proxy <- 100MB <- Server

the proxy receives 100MB from the server, then sends the same 100MB to the user. so from the proxy's point of view, that's 100MB inbound + 100MB outbound = 200MB of traffic.

@OpaqueRegistrant said: If your ISP sells you a 1TB bandwidth allowance, you don't expect it to run out after downloading 500GB because the data had to come into your ISP network

ISP bandwidth allowances use different billing models.

OpaqueRegistrant · September 15

@itzsenu said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: Total amount proxied is 100MB because proxying means both directions. If you sell someone 100MB of proxy, you better let the proxy download 100MB and upload 100MB.

if a user downloads 100MB through the proxy:

User <- 100MB <- Proxy <- 100MB <- Server

the proxy receives 100MB from the server, then sends the same 100MB to the user. so from the proxy's point of view, that's 100MB inbound + 100MB outbound = 200MB of traffic.

That's what the proxy owner has to pay for the bandwidth from their hosting company. This is 100MB of traffic being proxied, and that is what the proxy owner sells to their customer. If that means the proxy traffic has to cost double the hosting provider traffic, so be it.

@OpaqueRegistrant said: If your ISP sells you a 1TB bandwidth allowance, you don't expect it to run out after downloading 500GB because the data had to come into your ISP network

ISP bandwidth allowances use different billing models.

yeah - they use one that makes sense. Paying for 100MB, means you buy the right to pass 100MB of data THROUGH the network, meaning, in one side AND out the other, not just one half of the equation.

Said differently, you only pay for the connection between you and the ISP - the other side is the ISP's problem. And when proxying you pay for the connection between you and the proxy.

Why are you trying so hard to justify what is either a simple bug or a stupid money grab? Are you just being contrarian?

popproqn · September 16

@forest said:

@NiuProxy said: Your NiuProxy account was restricted due to security-related factors associated with your previous activity.

Being a little more open about the details would go a long way for dispelling mistrust. I'm sure @popproqn wouldn't mind considering you both feel like the full details will exonerate you. All we have now is a he-said she-said situation with severely missing context and contradictory claims.

@itzsenu said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: Total amount proxied is 100MB because proxying means both directions. If you sell someone 100MB of proxy, you better let the proxy download 100MB and upload 100MB.

if a user downloads 100MB through the proxy:

User <- 100MB <- Proxy <- 100MB <- Server

the proxy receives 100MB from the server, then sends the same 100MB to the user. so from the proxy's point of view, that's 100MB inbound + 100MB outbound = 200MB of traffic.

@OpaqueRegistrant said: If your ISP sells you a 1TB bandwidth allowance, you don't expect it to run out after downloading 500GB because the data had to come into your ISP network

ISP bandwidth allowances use different billing models.

@itzsenu said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: Total amount proxied is 100MB because proxying means both directions. If you sell someone 100MB of proxy, you better let the proxy download 100MB and upload 100MB.

if a user downloads 100MB through the proxy:

User <- 100MB <- Proxy <- 100MB <- Server

the proxy receives 100MB from the server, then sends the same 100MB to the user. so from the proxy's point of view, that's 100MB inbound + 100MB outbound = 200MB of traffic.

@OpaqueRegistrant said: If your ISP sells you a 1TB bandwidth allowance, you don't expect it to run out after downloading 500GB because the data had to come into your ISP network

ISP bandwidth allowances use different billing models.

I've used many different providers, and I've never seen any provider charge a two-way fee like that. Can you give me an example if you know of a provider that charges a two-way fee?

And in the process, I found an upstream provider where okkproxy and niuproxy obtain proxies to resell to me, and that upstream provider doesn't charge any two-way fees.

Then I asserted that this provider doesn't charge a two-way fee like they do, but they didn't believe me.

Then I presented concrete evidence showing how that upstream provider calculates bandwidth and that they don't charge a two-way fee.

So, are the other providers accepting losses?

forest · September 16

@popproqn said: I've used many different providers, and I've never seen any provider charge a two-way fee like that. Can you give me an example if you know of a provider that charges a two-way fee?

I'm with literally dozens of providers, and I can think of just one that doesn't meter on in+out.

popproqn · September 16

@forest said:

@popproqn said: I've used many different providers, and I've never seen any provider charge a two-way fee like that. Can you give me an example if you know of a provider that charges a two-way fee?

I'm with literally dozens of providers, and I can think of just one that doesn't meter on in+out.

I can confirm that I've used over 15 different providers and tested over 15 of them, and none of them charge two-way fees like that.

Could you give me a few names of the providers you're saying are charging two-way fees? I'll check them out.

OpaqueRegistrant · September 17

@forest said:

@popproqn said: I've used many different providers, and I've never seen any provider charge a two-way fee like that. Can you give me an example if you know of a provider that charges a two-way fee?

I'm with literally dozens of providers, and I can think of just one that doesn't meter on in+out.

Are they selling you servers or are they selling you proxies?

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