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You just cant do a service like this in US - Too many states have so easily fakeable IDs and not everyone even in this times owns a passport card or realid (especially in West).
The CC way also doesnt prove age anymore since banks WILL issue secondary cards to a minor just fine, but it does prove your name and ZIP is most likely correct and your IP not a proxy; enough for the cops to find you.
Isn’t giner os India based?
espana
It's always same shit :)
I think you wanted to tag @William
Interesting, i reported that to the Spanish body responsible as any recipient must be certified separately. Or at least it was like that before they changed half of the GDPR texts and the other half expired.
Also for reference as they disabled ID for now it became a non-issue.
That's right. It reminds me of DDoS and DDoS filter racket
We understand that facial checks make some people uncomfortable. That is completely understandable, and we are not going to pretend otherwise.
But let’s put things into perspective. In the physical world, there is always a minimum level of visibility: you walk into a shop, a hotel, or a data center, and someone sees you come in. Honestly, every day we are surrounded by cameras in streets, shops, and building entrances, recording us without us knowing where that footage ends up, who stores it, or for how long. Most people do not even think about it. On the internet, however, that basic visibility does not exist: anyone can register with a disposable email address, a fake phone number, a stolen card, and a VPN, and start using real infrastructure without being accountable to anyone.
In our business, this is not a theoretical problem. We manage real network infrastructure: our own IP space, VPS nodes, and contracts with providers. When these services are abused, it is not "just an account". It means DDoS attacks, phishing campaigns, or card fraud. It harms our real customers, our reputation with providers, and, from time to time, ends with the police asking questions.
So we made a decision: accounts in the new Manager must pass a simple liveness check. It's basically a selfie handled by Didit, nothing more. No documents, no forms to fill in, and you are ready in ten seconds.
We are not trying to harvest your personal data, we just want to make sure there is a real human behind each account, because that alone stops most large-scale abuse.
Regarding the 5 EUR/USD credit: no, we are not "buying your biometric data". It is just a small gesture for the inconvenience of migrating to the new Manager. There is no need to overthink it.
If you prefer to use a provider that does not ask you to identify yourself at all, that is a completely legitimate preference, and there are plenty of them on the market. But we also have the same right to set a minimum level of trust for people running projects on our network.
And to be clear: we are not going to shut down anyone’s VPS because of this. The check is only required in order to access and manage services from the new Manager.
This is nice to know. However, without access to the panel it feels a bit....limited.
They are not using $5000-10000 high-frame rate and res camera to capture your whole face. 4K isn't enough to clearly capture someone from wide angle. But a phone camera is high quality enough
10 seconds is the approximate ideal condition. Meanwhile, the platform may demand outrageous prompt such as "Make neutral face!". How I'm supposed to relax while I'm holding my phone while I'm adjusting my grip because of prior demand to fit my face inside silly box? In reality, it could be as long as 30 minutes. And that's not including installing browser versions because their snowflake implementation might not work on all major browser releases or forks.
I still remember the kyc I had with scaleway a decade ago. Just ID or equivalent.
All those KYC verifications are targeting usual users, with usual (non-rooted/jailbroken) phones with standard/default apps. In this case, verification take a few minutes max.
If it makes you feel that tensed, perhaps you need to seek help. Or maybe sleep more.
Seeking NoKYC VPS it is
@jmginer So, when Didit is getting hacked in a couple of months, do I then get a credit aswell?
What kind of credit do I get in this case? 🤔
I'm sorry but that analogy just doesn't work out. In the real world 99% of store camera owners or whatever are not going to have my name on file. It's nothing but a picture of someone. Also i get to walk around with a hat and sun glasses as much as i want.
Sure, it's possible to deanonymize yourself (theoretically or practically) by for example paying with some card at checkout overlooked by cameras (theoretically... i doubt the store will get my personal details during the payment process and even if they would there is likely no correlation going on) or you were careless enough to upload pictures to the internet which were then tagged by equally careless friends (again theoretically... the store probably doesn't have access to Facebook's biometrics vault - obviously Didit could rat me out in the same manner if they somehow got their hands on my data but that's simply not going to happen).
In the end it's pretty much just government surveilance that would have a reasonable chance at identifying you and it's again (like all other cases) highly likely thwarted by hats, glasses and beards. We luckily don't (yet...) life in a world where it's required to be tracked every time we leave our homes or really do anything worth mentioning. The air is admittedly getting noticeably thinner though and it's for a good part due every second corner having someone pop up to collect yet even more data.
I can walk into a store and pay with a stolen credit card. Takes more balls and i need a physical card but beyond that it's pretty much the same thing. Either it does some kind of 2FA (which also blocks an online attempt) or it doesn't and i walk out of the store with my shiny new goods. You could obviously take a picture of everyone's passport at the checkout but i kind doubt that store would have a lot of customers. I mean, even if the card came up stolen, you can't really assume the store employees would even try to stop some random thief (who for all they know could be armed) from running?
When you think about it it's way easier to stay anonymous offline than online since you simply don't have some number tattooed to your forehead that you have to obfuscate first. Just grow a beard, get some glasses, put on a hat and don't wave your ID card. Even if you skip the first 3 steps your still de facto anonymous in like 90% of situations unless you basically choose not to.
TL;DR: If you feel better with such a system that's up to you but all those attempts at normalizing it just fall flat.
Any refugee dealz?
also looking for refugee deals.
DM me, I will see if it is possible
Can help also, I rather close the business altogether then collect ID cards for 5 eur VPS
Maybe it is done as per some executive order by the state? We cannot blame the provider for it? Can we? There are times when Linode and/or Hetzner do funny things like Wiretapping.
I've just written a novel, so i'll keep it short for once: Those things are miles away from each other.
generally while i mock hosts requiring kyc i like to pretend it doesn't affect me as i just won't fund hosts who require it.
of course if not enough people avoid these hosts it will end up affecting us all as this shittery is normalized.
this episode is particularly stinky because the host already took your money and is strongarming you to give up your data.
it actually feels familiar, did we have another episode like this recently?
anyway, do your part by spending your money with hosts that aren't profiting off your data.
I don't mind giving KYC.
But I feel insulted you put price on my KYC as €5
Is that how much valuable you see my KYC is?
You should be ashamed not because you are asking KYC but for this 5 € putting up as a value.
@jmginer @totally_not_banned
Two decisive differences are that in those real world situations (e.g. in a shop) (a) we see each other and (b) I'm physically in or near their shop/bank/etc, while with the jmginer shitfuckery I never saw them or their office in person!
jmginer,
I get your need and am not against you trying to make sure you're dealing with real humans. But I'm very much against you
So, summary: We do not see you, we do not see your office, the vast majority of us already provided private data, you expect us to take even more risk and "strip" ourselves to solve your problem ... while we pay and are customers.
TL;DR FUCK YOU jmginer!
It's beyond me. 1 Year old chrome? Too old. Random forks? Nope. Privacy extensions? LOL. Rooted phones? Developer modes? It's insanity
No. It's purely because of the verification absurd demands. A simple conference and live agent measuring liveness with absurd instruction would be enough. enough. That would have cost $2 without frictions.
That's something hosts and their employees could do when idling.
You may not hold my PII, but you should have know me. So, it's pseudo-KYC.
Curious, do you still have to prove you're a human after having this discussion with them? Are they still not sure if you're a human or a bot?
5€ is damn cheap for all your data + biometric data.
Yeah, if you are that generic user chances are it's pretty quick. Personally i probably wouldn't even be able to do it since i'm quite sure doing the oh-so-simple-and-painless KYC would require me to first share my data with Google before i'm allowed to share it with the KYC provider but these kinds of dependency chains and their side effects somehow never make it onto the drawing boards of people deploying this stuff.
Should I know? No, that's not a requirement to order a service or get a deal. After all, nothing stops you guys from swapping deals you got in DMs. Also, not like all deals I do are personalized.
Uh yes. What I meant to say is, we're completely random stranger on the internet. But, presumed to know each other through interaction which would lowered probability of hit-and-run abusers. From the point of abusers, this is totally inefficient, unless in pursuant of 3-4 digits deals. I also like provider that has good sense of humor
You do personalized deals?
I think I did not do any but I could've forgotten some.
Nvm, I did at least one personal deal.