New on LowEndTalk? Please Register and read our Community Rules.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
Comments
IIRC, there are people who weren't even in the thread who found their VPSes suddenly terminated. You and I may still have functioning VPSes from them, but I honestly suspect that's an oversight on Eric's part and has nothing to do with your or my behavior towards him.
tl;dr someone hosted something bad and xHosts, who is just a reseller for their shared hosting and is required to follow their reseller account's ToS, ended up forcing KYC on lifetime deals that had already been paid. Some people were terminated simply because the KYC platform didn't support their country, even after they had already purchased and used the service. That caused some real drama. I don't blame xHosts personally though, since they are just resellers for their shared hosting.
Me and jar are actually on good terms now.
I agree. Dedicated server resellers make no sense. Owning their own infrastructure is always a hard requirement for me.
Yeah 100% understand. We run out of colocrossing facilities but have our own racks with our own custom network setup with a enterprise grade DDOS protection as we host quite a few larger gaming communities so we understand DDOS protection is a big thing for many people.
Gotcha so majority of users on LET are interested in VPS offers rather than dedicated machines.
Just beware that ColoCrossing has a bit of a bad reputation here, albeit for reasons generally unrelated to their network infra.
Generally, yes. At least the majority of long-term users who stick around. That's not to say that there aren't plenty of hosts who sell dedis here, just that the people they sell to usually aren't going to be people collecting VPSes for small projects (or for idling).
It is Low End Talk after all, and what's lower end than a dirty-cheap VPS on an overcrowded node?
Wdym by colocrossing has a bad rep? What seemed to have happened?
Four main reasons:
The issues don't really matter for your use case, but it will have an effect on people's perception.
On LET, DDoS protection isn't a necessity for many as most people are buying servers to self host small projects for personal use or small group of friends/family so there is no need. Price, Uptime, Customer Service are some things that are more important than some DDoS protection. There isn't a big gaming community here, sometimes we get people asking but not common.
I gotcha, I do see how some people will post these crazy good vps deals and I don't know how they manage to do that as there can't be like any $ made from the hosts side of things.
I gotcha and yeah ive heard about the blacklisted ips and stuff.
DDoS protection can matter if others on the same network are hosting game servers. It sucks to have your VPS go down because someone else is getting DDoSed. It protects you even if no one is out to get you specifically.
Of course, that usually requires only light protection. There are definitely hosts who advertise hardcore DDoS protection that is capable of handling extremely high-bandwidth attacks with custom routing rather than just software-side scrubbing.
In fact, I just sent out a support ticket to the CC reseller that practically owns LET because my VPS with them is showing 80% CPU steal.
Obviously I know that's not ColoCrossing's fault directly, but rather a reseller of theirs who has strong ties to them, but it does create a negative impression when, of my 48 VPSes, the only one to be having this problem is with ColoCrossing.
LES, a spinoff forum of LET, actually bans ColoCrossing resellers. So sure, they have a good network, but you'll have to make a name out of yourself so people don't think you're "yet another crappy CC reseller", even if you aren't.
I do suspect that the folks who are most likely to buy dedicated servers aren't going to care as much, though, since most of the crappy resellers only sell VPSes and as such are of primary interest to the regulars in the community.
Yeah understandable, were trying our hardest to grow with sales in really any way we can but I see a lot of people on here need stuff in like Europe and Asia and anything that's in the US they want to really cheap out on.
If you need any VPS's or anything let me know as well!
Also what is LES?
LowEndSpirit. It's a spinoff of LowEndTalk, often referred to as OGF ("Other Green Forum"). They're much smaller.
If you have any VPSes outside of the US, NL, or DE, I'd be interested. I see that you have offerings in the UK but it's currently unavailable. Also, you'd have to accept cryptocurrency payments (lots of people here only pay with, or prefer to pay with, cryptocurrency. There are plenty of easy-to-use payment gateways like Cryptomus/Heleket).
I guess that is fair. Personally, I wouldn't go for a provider that put a big focus on DDoS protection because that means people who are big targets of DDoS will often go for them over others and if they can't stop it then my stuff is going down too. Also I'm pretty annoyed by the DDoS Protection community drama that shows up here like the Path stuff.
Yeah there are lots of LET members that are looking for EU services as they are either from EU or prefer EU because of the privacy laws. Asia is also in high demand because there aren't a lot of options available as hardware and bandwidth costs are very high.
Yeah I get that, well thank you for the info.
It is drama. Provider discontinuing deals is controversial because depending on the interpretation, it might be rules violation.
It's the truth. I hope dartday 2027 will be much better with better queue, livestream system. And resource hoggers moved to containment nodes.
I can't comment on the latter part. But sales at certain volume is guaranteed to generate drama based on the probability. It could be HW, DDoS, human error and unknown factors.
At that time, I infer there's no xHosts DR, if you got incapacitated i.e renewing IPXO lease.
Stress -> gastric problem -> heart problemYes. I have forgotten that @alfatarsos. If I wasn't wrong, they also demand KYC for those who want to continue on.
@msatt is unfortunate because of the legacy NS user (mjj) abusing the fossvps Moldova (@alexhost) which led to temporary suspension
That's right. Large amount of drama happened because of mjj abusing cheap plans and raising so much tickets. I don't even understand how these providers sees >90% steal and doesn't try to solve it.
What's funnier is that they said they could move me to another node, but only by destroying and recreating my VM. They don't even know how to migrate, and are unwilling to even look into the cause of the high steal (currently 88%).
It's promotional. So, provider actually losing money
---
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214598/reality-check-why-7-y-vps-and-2-tb-storage-is-fantasy-in-2026/p1
Remember this?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214646/the-7-year-technical-eviction-dedirocks-ceo-says-im-too-advanced-for-them/p1
I think resellers of colocrossing grew too fast to the point they are hiring anyone that could answer ticket and neglecting the technical knowledge. And that's to be expected since the margin is paper thin. At this point LowEndSupport should do volunteer work to optimize the infrastructure
I didn't know that nor do I care about shared hosting, i.e. I only look at VxS and dedis. The way you describe it (what happened) I see the reseller guilty, not @xHosts, but maybe I misunderstood something. Either way I fully stand by what I wrote wrt xHosts.
Great.
I agree as well, but there are exceptions.
colocrossing and ovh are my favorite dedi providers they offer < 20 dollar per month dedis
I personally go a step further and try to avoid gaming hosters because I experienced some ugly effects of gamer nodes. The bubble related to DDOS is just one factor. While I value DDOS protection all in all a decent non-gaming node w/o protection is more attractive to me than a node with Anti-DDOS with a gaming hoster.
To be fair I also once had good experience with a gaming hoster (with Jordy in the mix).
re MJJs - I try to avoid hosters with significant MJJ drama.
re "$7/year VPS" - As a benchmarker & reviewer I'm intentionally not picky and look at pretty much anything and everything including those toys for a set of reasons. What I don't get though is when such a provider consistently follows that path.
Because I get it, entering the market one needs to gain visibility and some customers, but why the hell continuing that path and offer C, D, E, etc. series after A and B series?
In a private capacity (just a normal customer) I strongly tend to stay away from anything < $18/yr (ca. $ 1.50/mo) because going lower tends to be problematic sooner (crappy HW and/or connectivity) or later (not enough profit to reinvest and become decent and stable).
Bit too harsh imo, you do have or probably more had at this point, some excellent opportunities in the past. I would factor in who is offering instead of a generalisation. I have a dirt cheap server running for years at this point by a huge provider and only had once an issue for a couple hours that was fixed in no time(ipv6 routing was down).
Of course there are exceptions but it's the nature of thumb times Pi rules to focus on the 90% or 95% of cases rather than on the few exceptions.
Yeah, Downtime was very bad. That's the truth. But we fixed everything.
And some customers and even users really doubt that we had "any backup", most of them was think that everything is lost.
They cutted off the power in the racks and we had trouble with restoring the power during days, it was refused. However, we always do backup of our customers and this showed the opposite.
We aren't just random hosting provider, we did everything for our customers.
There were many very difficult days in the conversations, but everything turned out right, fortunately.
Alexhost
@forest both of us forgot the @Cloudcone vibe-coded ransomware
I remember. That one kind of blew my mind, but the fact that DediRock remained in the thread even with all the criticism was a good sign. Not many providers would take such heavy criticism with such good cheer.
The main criticism I have is that they didn't have the foresight to not give lifetime plans on a reseller account and wouldn't at least refund people who were unable to complete KYC. But I'm not against xHosts at all. I have a VPS from them and it's one of the most solid and performant ones I have, and I often recommend them when people are looking for a VPS in the UK.
Oh yeah, that was funny. I love how they couldn't even write proper ransomware and just nuked the first and last 512 MiB of the drive and called it a day. Like really? Is it too hard to just open a device with dm-crypt then dd from the original to the encrypted block device?
That incident even caused some panic on the Tor relay mailing list due to some of the victims being relay operators.
@DediRock is by far the lower lowend provider with the best PR. He doesn't counter-claim, but took it as a lesson. I truly hope other hosts, especially colocrossing reseller, learned something.
Yes, targeted individuals will feel restless when a sizable part of network went down.
Thanks @forest,
That was a good learning experience really, just have to make adjustments when necessary
Thanks @rpqu
Greatly appreciated