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Best Dedicated Server Companies for Price, Network & Support?

tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

Hey everyone,

We're doing some market research to better understand where people in the LowEndTalk community prefer to purchase dedicated servers. Our goal is to grow our market by learning what makes certain providers stand out and what customers value most when choosing a hosting company.

We're particularly interested in providers that excel in:

  • Competitive pricing
  • High-quality network performance
  • Strong DDoS protection
  • Responsive, knowledgeable support

We're especially interested in hearing about smaller or independent hosting providers rather than the large corporate brands. We want to understand what they're doing right, what keeps customers loyal, and where we can improve our own services to better meet the community's expectations.

If you have a favorite provider, we'd love to know:

  • Who they are
  • What made you choose them
  • What keeps you with them
  • What you think they do better than the competition

Any feedback, recommendations, or insights are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for helping us better understand what the community is looking for!

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  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    Any input helps, thanks!

  • @tanek said: We want to understand what they're doing right, what keeps customers loyal

    I can give my input to this part. There are essentially two reason I'm loyal to a provider. Either their service is soo cheap that everything else doesn't really matter or I have a direct line to a human on phone, who can give me a quote for new hardware like instantly and understand at least the minimum and can get someone ASAP to fix problems.

  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @NotFoundException said:

    @tanek said: We want to understand what they're doing right, what keeps customers loyal

    I can give my input to this part. There are essentially two reason I'm loyal to a provider. Either their service is soo cheap that everything else doesn't really matter or I have a direct line to a human on phone, who can give me a quote for new hardware like instantly and understand at least the minimum and can get someone ASAP to fix problems.

    Gotcha ok, well we cover both of those things! I do get that’s the main reason and honestly we just have to get out there better.

  • ozontiozonti Member, Host Rep

    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    Thanked by 2yoursunny rpqu
  • @DediRock @SolidVPS @crunchbits are my go to. Check em out

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited June 29

    In Europe AlphaVPS / @AlexBarakov clearly is in the top range and matches both of the criteria you mentioned. Really good price and exceptionally great support. Their connectivity also is decent.

    Quite the contrary/ NOT recommended: @Clouvider whom I saw playing (not at all) "funny" games. Current example: I purchased a VPS in Dallas from them, but

    • renewal price is double (for the sake of fairness, that was known from the get-go but I still found and find it weird)
    • end of term approaching I wanted to politely cancel the VPS but they tried to trap me in typical Clouvider style by telling that I'm too late and min. 30 days in advance are required.
    • At the beginning someone in their support asked for KYC style info and documents (but shortly after someone stepped in and cleared my order)
    • That VPS simply isn't worth the $$ Clouvider demands

    The VPS is not crappy but neither is it a great performer. I was looking for a Dallas VPS with really great connectivity. Well that Clouvider thing was "good mid-level" at best and definitely not good enough for what I had in mind, a reference server.
    FWIW I currently use a @kuroit VPS for that purpose which is much better - and much cheaper as well.

    Thanked by 3kuroit buggedout oloke
  • @RoyaleHosting for premium network and ddos protection in AMS NL and @HostDZire for their unbeatable budget 10gbit pricing in AMS NL

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited June 29

    @bobsburgers said:
    @RoyaleHosting for premium network and ddos protection in AMS NL and @HostDZire for their unbeatable budget 10gbit pricing in AMS NL

    @RoyaleHosting I never tried so far but wrt @HostDZire I fully agree. I didn't know they also sell dedis in NL, AMS but I like their VPS a lot.

    Thanked by 1HostDZire
  • hennaboyhennaboy Member

    @jsg said:
    In Europe AlphaVPS / @AlexBarakov clearly is in the top range and matches both of the criteria you mentioned. Really good price and exceptionally great support. Their connectivity also is decent.

    Quite the contrary/ NOT recommended: @Clouvider whom I saw playing (not at all) "funny" games. Current example: I purchased a VPS in Dallas from them, but

    • renewal price is double (for the sake of fairness, that was known from the get-go but I still found and find it weird)
    • end of term approaching I wanted to politely cancel the VPS but they tried to trap me in typical Clouvider style by telling that I'm too late and min. 30 days in advance are required.
    • At the beginning someone in their support asked for KYC style info and documents (but shortly after someone stepped in and cleared my order)
    • That VPS simply isn't worth the $$ Clouvider demands

    The VPS is not crappy but neither is it a great performer. I was looking for a Dallas VPS with really great connectivity. Well that Clouvider thing was "good mid-level" at best and definitely not good enough for what I had in mind, a reference server.
    FWIW I currently use a @kuroit VPS for that purpose which is much better - and much cheaper as well.

    Clouvider is generally beyond the lowend budget here.

    Never used their US services, but their London service is premium.

    Thanked by 1Clouvider
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @hennaboy said:

    @jsg said:
    In Europe AlphaVPS / @AlexBarakov clearly is in the top range and matches both of the criteria you mentioned. Really good price and exceptionally great support. Their connectivity also is decent.

    Quite the contrary/ NOT recommended: @Clouvider whom I saw playing (not at all) "funny" games. Current example: I purchased a VPS in Dallas from them, but

    • renewal price is double (for the sake of fairness, that was known from the get-go but I still found and find it weird)
    • end of term approaching I wanted to politely cancel the VPS but they tried to trap me in typical Clouvider style by telling that I'm too late and min. 30 days in advance are required.
    • At the beginning someone in their support asked for KYC style info and documents (but shortly after someone stepped in and cleared my order)
    • That VPS simply isn't worth the $$ Clouvider demands

    The VPS is not crappy but neither is it a great performer. I was looking for a Dallas VPS with really great connectivity. Well that Clouvider thing was "good mid-level" at best and definitely not good enough for what I had in mind, a reference server.
    FWIW I currently use a @kuroit VPS for that purpose which is much better - and much cheaper as well.

    Clouvider is generally beyond the lowend budget here.

    Never used their US services, but their London service is premium.

    That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

  • DediRockDediRock Member, Patron Provider

    @DrNutella said:
    @DediRock @SolidVPS @crunchbits are my go to. Check em out

    Awesome thx @DrNutella I am adding Ryzens here very shortly :) Thanks!

    Thanked by 1DrNutella
  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue
    Thanked by 3yoursunny forest nikosa
  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue

    I gotcha

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

    I for one look for

    • decent bang for the buck (which is why @Clouvider rarely looks attractive to me, except maybe with promos)
    • decent product (note that's not the same as bang per buck)
    • decent support (little or no boilerplate/canned responses plus a decent level of know-how & experience)
    • honesty. Which also means not playing "smart" games, pulling tricks, etc.

    As for (b) above I already wrote it: my kuroit VPS offers better connectivity at a significantly lower price.

  • hennaboyhennaboy Member

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

    I for one look for

    • decent bang for the buck (which is why @Clouvider rarely looks attractive to me, except maybe with promos)
    • decent product (note that's not the same as bang per buck)
    • decent support (little or no boilerplate/canned responses plus a decent level of know-how & experience)
    • honesty. Which also means not playing "smart" games, pulling tricks, etc.

    As for (b) above I already wrote it: my kuroit VPS offers better connectivity at a significantly lower price.

    Never been 100% sure about Kuroit. They have a habit of relocating, which is a stability concern.

  • tanektanek Member, Patron Provider

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

    I for one look for

    • decent bang for the buck (which is why @Clouvider rarely looks attractive to me, except maybe with promos)
    • decent product (note that's not the same as bang per buck)
    • decent support (little or no boilerplate/canned responses plus a decent level of know-how & experience)
    • honesty. Which also means not playing "smart" games, pulling tricks, etc.

    As for (b) above I already wrote it: my kuroit VPS offers better connectivity at a significantly lower price.

    Would you mind taking a look at our vps prices - https://centrixnodes.net/vps-hosting

    I just wanna get your perspective as if its reasonably priced, I think they are pretty competitive but I like to get others peoples perspectives.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened

    Often but not always

    More drama == More sales

    Depends. Can also translate to less sales.

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    And here's my view on some of them (and others deleted because (a) I don't know/have no experience with them or (b) to trim clutter (no offense intended, no judgement)

    Current status to the best of my knowledge: everyone who played half-way fair in that thread and had a VPS at not ridiculously unsustainable price still has their VPS but likely has to pay more at renewal.
    And their product and connectivity seems to be really decent.

    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place

    BS! That was a wanton created yadda yadda. @HostDZire is known for playing straight (and in fact, is one of my favourite providers - and for good reason)

    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)

    WUT? How dare a provider to react to the market and to decide for themselves instead of running a poll here!!!
    That one in my view is double BS. host_c is a top provider for a reason and btw well liked here too.

    Yes, PulsedMedia overdid it with his ai zealotry but he got punished (too hard IMO btw)

    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals

    I don't know about that and I want to make a clear statement: xHosts is one of my favourite providers (in the UK).

    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting

    I don't know about that either and I want to make a clear statement: (a) Greencloud/NDTN is a provider I like and appreciate a lot, and (b) botting (or pretty much anything else that's hurting) MJJs is perfectly fine in my books and in fact a fat plus.

    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies

    Yet another provider who just like that decides how to run his business and which products to continue or not! Un-be-liev-able!! Crucify him! (I'm a happy customer of him)

    Yep. The above two are particularly evil. I happen to know that they decide for themselves what their favourite colour is!!! (I respect and like both of them, no matter how much noise some make here)

    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation

    Didn't notice. But I betcha that he inserts spaghetti into the drives to make them slower when we sleep and nobody looks!

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited June 29

    @hennaboy said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

    I for one look for

    • decent bang for the buck (which is why @Clouvider rarely looks attractive to me, except maybe with promos)
    • decent product (note that's not the same as bang per buck)
    • decent support (little or no boilerplate/canned responses plus a decent level of know-how & experience)
    • honesty. Which also means not playing "smart" games, pulling tricks, etc.

    As for (b) above I already wrote it: my kuroit VPS offers better connectivity at a significantly lower price.

    Never been 100% sure about Kuroit. They have a habit of relocating, which is a stability concern.

    Thanks. Didn't know about that nor care much. I'm quite happy with them so far (but have only a single VPS).

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said:

    @tanek said:

    @jsg said: That may well be but my Dallas VPS from them Clouvider certainly isn't premium.

    >

    Wdym the service isnt premium? Are they advertising like a low end cpu as premium?

    (a) is your interest in defending certain providers (for whatever reasons) or what the title suggests?
    (b) it isn't premium due to the connectivity of the Dallas VPS being not premium at all.

    I was just curious, my goal here is to understand other peoples perspective on other providers so we know what clients look for in a provider.

    I for one look for

    • decent bang for the buck (which is why @Clouvider rarely looks attractive to me, except maybe with promos)
    • decent product (note that's not the same as bang per buck)
    • decent support (little or no boilerplate/canned responses plus a decent level of know-how & experience)
    • honesty. Which also means not playing "smart" games, pulling tricks, etc.

    As for (b) above I already wrote it: my kuroit VPS offers better connectivity at a significantly lower price.

    Would you mind taking a look at our vps prices - https://centrixnodes.net/vps-hosting

    I just wanna get your perspective as if its reasonably priced, I think they are pretty competitive but I like to get others peoples perspectives.

    Can and will do.

  • DartNodeDartNode Member, Patron Provider

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue

    :)

    Thanked by 2PulsedMedia rpqu
  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Patron Provider

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue

    Absolutely, true.

    The more you sell, the more there is drama, guaranteed.

    That Celebrating Väinämöinen has got us shadow banned in LET. Yet another thread seems to have been deleted in manner of minutes (Zero AI use).

    We got all the pages archived tho, should release one of these days. I guess it's time to let go of our provider tag since we are not allowed to post anything that provider tag should allow us to do by the looks of it.

  • xHostsxHosts Member, Patron Provider

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue

    Perfect to know you consider a someone being taken into hospital without warning with serve chest pains a cause of your "drama"

    Sorry, next time I will book in advance with you :wink:

    Thanked by 2dsbnoob rpqu
  • @PulsedMedia said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tanek said:

    @ozonti said:
    On LET, only the $3–$7/year plans are worthwhile; the other providers charge prices that are too high and aren't recommended.

    Look closely at the offers—the most popular ones always come from providers like Summerhost, but a few months later, they announce they're quitting the business, and the backlash begins.

    If you're building a long-term business, analyze your sector carefully and stay focused.

    Take ReliableSite, for example; people are complaining about their price hikes now, yet there are still options like ColoCrossing offering servers for a good price—$16 a year.

    Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    Also, if you offer IPv9, you'll be in the hall of flame @yoursunny

    What makes them stand out to you?

    Consider this
    Drama means sales happened
    More drama == More sales

    Drama Driven Deals

    There's no better sales indicator than drama excl. deadpool
    Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    • @VeloxMedia and transfer to @vmeric @vmvmvm (this guy has at least 4 alts) of benthost (disputed, see @jsg for explanation)
    • @HostDZire not refunding $0.37 crypto transaction cost at the first place
    • @host_c and discontinuing the $1/m/TB deals (see also Stuart can't calculate refund correctl)
    • @PulsedMedia and AI usage ( see also @whynotlearn wasting His and Aleksi time because crypto refund went to spam)
    • @Dedirock and pre-emptive refund
    • @DeluxHost and non-recurring recurring deals (price hike)
    • @DartNode and 9 iops (see @yoursunny signature), queue failures, and blacklisted IPs
    • @avsisp and their network configurations
    • @aluy employee deleting tempdelete and turns out it's not supposed to be deleted (see also their spamhaus delisting effort)
    • @BitsFlowCloud internal issues (see their wall of shame)
    • @xhosts being hospitalized and KYC of lifetime deals
    • @NDTN (greencloud) and MJJ botting
    • @crunchbits discontinuing plans (and causing butthurts), fumo arrived but no hoodies
    • @Francisco (namecrane) and unplanned downtime (also provider looking buyvm's vps)
    • @jar (routemx) @WyvernCo and @forest is a [redacted]
    • @hostsailor NL designated ping spike time (practically unreachable)
    • @EvolutionHost and $0 vds dramas
    • @labze (hostbrr) and disk performance degradation
    • @alexhost AMS downtime because of they are sub-tenant to a tenant whose rack got shutdown
    • @verasel got hospitalized, unreachable, then @gigahost delete servers because of unresolved issue

    Absolutely, true.

    The more you sell, the more there is drama, guaranteed.

    That Celebrating Väinämöinen has got us shadow banned in LET. Yet another thread seems to have been deleted in manner of minutes (Zero AI use).

    We got all the pages archived tho, should release one of these days. I guess it's time to let go of our provider tag since we are not allowed to post anything that provider tag should allow us to do by the looks of it.

    I'm not sure what having a provider tag has to do with becoming the watchmojo LET Spampost machine but you go I guess.

  • timmmytimmmy Member

    lmao :D

  • forestforest Member
    edited June 30

    @tanek said: We're especially interested in hearing about smaller or independent hosting providers rather than the large corporate brands. We want to understand what they're doing right, what keeps customers loyal, and where we can improve our own services to better meet the community's expectations.

    By and large, the people who come looking for dedicated servers are hit-and-run users. They come here because they have a project that needs certain requirements met, posts a request, buys a dedi, then disappears. They don't stick around to make themselves part of the community. The community itself, i.e. the regulars here who are are going to read any thread other than their own request thread, is primarily focused on low-cost VPSes. The overlap is not huge.

    That's not to say no one here is going to have a dedicated server, but the majority have far more experience with the VPS offerings than the dedicated server offerings of providers here, with the notable exception of VPS providers who use dedicated servers from another provider here.

    Thanked by 1concept
  • forestforest Member
    edited June 30

    @ozonti said: Just remember that no serious, stable, long-lasting company offers its services on LET, because the crowd there expects prices lower than the cost of a cup of coffee.

    I disagree. I'd say that there are many non-serious, short-lasting summerhosts who offer their services on LET and they may be the most popular in promo threads, but there do exist providers here that I would host production on.

    @rpqu said: Here's the list of drama that I remembered for roughly 7 months

    Don't forget C-servers terminating everyone on a NAT node because one person spammed and he couldn't figure out who did it, so punished everyone collectively. Also FOSSVPS needing to blacklist NS clients because MJJs abused the free service.

    And, of course, the never-ending MJJ complaints about sub-standard providers who become known for frequent downtime or extremely slow ticket responses. That's not really a single drama event though but a series of mini-dramas always centered around the same set of providers who are generally well-intentioned but naïve and overwhelmed with the reality of business.

    Thanked by 1rpqu
  • conceptconcept Member
    edited June 30

    @tanek said:

    We're especially interested in hearing about smaller or independent hosting providers rather than the large corporate brands. We want to understand what they're doing right, what keeps customers loyal, and where we can improve our own services to better meet the community's expectations.

    There are a lot of customers that want the best deals and lowest prices but its not always realistic.

    I am personally interested in providers who run their own infrastructure and not just reselling other brands. Why should I buy yours if I can go direct?

    There are some providers that run their own datacenter or have a private cage/full rack in a large datacenter. It has to be unique in some way. I like when providers serve regions or countries that less common or rare. It's a plus if you can do it at a reasonable price too.

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