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How to start get own ASN and IPv6?

youandriyouandri Member
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Hello all,

Recently fell into the ASN/BGP/IPv6 rabbit hole.

My goal is pretty simple:

  • get my own ASN
  • get some IPv6 space
  • connect it to my VPSes
  • maybe through some kind of tunnel setup like HE tunnel

Mostly just for learning and personal lab stuff, not trying to become an ISP, hehehe

I actually tried applying for a RIPE LIR earlier today… then realized it’s a lot more serious than I expected lol.

So now I’m looking for the more beginner-friendly route.
How do most people usually start with this?
Any recommended providers/services that are good for learning and not too expensive?

Thank you so much. :)

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  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    To become a LIR, you need to pay an annual membership fee to RIPE (about 2,000 Euro). I doubt that you are ready for this. However, you can get an ASN and IPv6 for a lower cost by placing an order with any existing LIR. In this case, your expenses will be around 100-200 Euro per year.

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  • youandriyouandri Member

    @rustelekom said:
    To become a LIR, you need to pay an annual membership fee to RIPE (about 2,000 Euro). I doubt that you are ready for this. However, you can get an ASN and IPv6 for a lower cost by placing an order with any existing LIR. In this case, your expenses will be around 100-200 Euro per year.

    I see, thanks for the info.

    What about the sponsored ASN / delegated ipv6 route instead?

    Would that be possible for a beginner setup? Mainly just looking to learn and maybe route it to a few vps through tunnels or basic BGP.

    Any providers can recommend for that kind of setup?

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    If it's for learning purposes, you might want to check out dn42.

    Thanked by 4youandri zejjnt forest r3k
  • VPSLAYERVPSLAYER Member, Patron Provider

    Sponsored ASN + delegated IPv6 is probably the easiest way to start.

    A lot of people do that instead of becoming a RIPE LIR, since it’s much cheaper and way less hassle.

    For a basic lab setup you’d usually get:

    • a sponsored ASN
    • an IPv6 block (often /48, sometimes bigger)
    • a VPS that supports BGP, or just tunnel it to your VPS over GRE/WireGuard

    That’s enough to start playing with FRR/Bird and announce your own prefix.

    Tunneling it is pretty common, especially if your VPS provider doesn’t offer native BGP.

    You can check providers like iFog, Route64, Openfactory or even @aluy (they include a /44 if you buy an ASN, which is pretty nice).

    Probably the simplest path:
    get sponsored ASN + IPv6, rent 1-2 VPS, set up a tunnel, start experimenting with BGP :)

    Thanked by 5youandri aluy forest Frameworks yoursunny
  • youandriyouandri Member

    @DP said:
    If it's for learning purposes, you might want to check out dn42.

    @VPSLAYER said:
    Sponsored ASN + delegated IPv6 is probably the easiest way to start.

    A lot of people do that instead of becoming a RIPE LIR, since it’s much cheaper and way less hassle.

    For a basic lab setup you’d usually get:

    • a sponsored ASN
    • an IPv6 block (often /48, sometimes bigger)
    • a VPS that supports BGP, or just tunnel it to your VPS over GRE/WireGuard

    That’s enough to start playing with FRR/Bird and announce your own prefix.

    Tunneling it is pretty common, especially if your VPS provider doesn’t offer native BGP.

    You can check providers like iFog, Route64, Openfactory or even @aluy (they include a /44 if you buy an ASN, which is pretty nice).

    Probably the simplest path:
    get sponsored ASN + IPv6, rent 1-2 VPS, set up a tunnel, start experimenting with BGP :)

    Thanks. I will try to check it out. 😊

    Thanked by 2VPSLAYER aluy
  • CNliuCNliu Member

    I've considered it, but there are too many options that require payment.

    Thanked by 1youandri
  • youandriyouandri Member

    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • malikshimalikshi Member

    @youandri said:
    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    That's fast.

    Thanked by 1youandri
  • totally_not_bannedtotally_not_banned Member

    @CNliu said:
    I've considered it, but there are too many options that require payment.

    Did you expect this to be free? IPv6 might be dirt cheap comparatively but free is still a bit low-ballish...

  • conceptconcept Member
    edited May 10

    @youandri said:
    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    There are providers that can announce it for free like skhron @tentor

    @onidel @oloke can do it but it is a $10 one time fee.

    Thanked by 2tentor youandri
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @concept said:

    @youandri said:

    There are providers that can announce it for free like skhron @tentor

    Thanks for mention! Yes, we do both BYOIP (own addresses originated by our ASN) and BGP sessions for free.

    Thanked by 1youandri
  • AudioDogeAudioDoge Member

    @youandri said:
    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    I am looking for cheap way of doing Anycast. Is BYOIP possible without an ASN? VPS providers?

  • 3K333K33 Member, Host Rep

    @youandri said:
    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    We can do that also in Gdańsk or in Singapore. NJ will be possible soon also.

    Thanked by 2oloke youandri
  • 3K333K33 Member, Host Rep

    @AudioDoge said:

    @youandri said:
    Quick update.

    Ended up trying an IPv6 assignment first from @aluy instead of going full RIPE LIR / ASN route.

    Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    Aluy mentioned some providers can announce the prefix under their ASN, which sounds perfect for my use case.

    Anyone here in LET doing this already? Any provider recommendations that are BYOIPv6 friendly and free?

    Thank you again.

    I am looking for cheap way of doing Anycast. Is BYOIP possible without an ASN? VPS providers?

    We will be providing that in our POPs soon, 1 IPv4 + /64 anycasted IPv6.
    Will probably consider anycasted BYOIP also.

    If you want to do anycast across multiple providers without ASN, then that will not work.

    Thanked by 1Frameworks
  • AnnaKotykAnnaKotyk Member, Patron Provider

    Honestly dn42 is probably the best starting point before spending money on a real ASN/LIR setup.
    You can break things safely, learn BGP basics, play with FRR/Bird and understand routing without the RIPE paperwork stress.

    Thanked by 1youandri
  • youandriyouandri Member
    edited May 12

    Quick update again.

    I ended up trying my own IPv6 space first from @aluy instead of going straight into the full RIPE LIR + own ASN route.

    After figuring out RIPE objects, route6, RPKI/ROA, LoA, and getting confused for a while. SiteHub @HostDoc helped get the prefix announced globally under their ASN.

    Now the VPS has 16 routed /48s from the /44 allocation.

    Yeay.

    Did not expect this to actually work tbh.

    Thank you all. :)

    Thanked by 4JohnFilch123 HostDoc Nekopara oloke
  • hostalhostal Member, Host Rep

    Hey, we can help you too in the bring your own IP and ASN

    Thanked by 1youandri
  • evolushostevolushost Member, Patron Provider

    @youandri said: Now I’m trying to figure out the next step: finding a VPS provider that supports BYOIPv6 without requiring my own ASN.

    >

    https://bgp.services/

    Thanked by 2youandri oloke
  • youandriyouandri Member

    Quick update: finally got my own routed IPv6 space fully working. Perfect.

    • BGP announce accepted
    • RPKI valid
    • route6 object done
    • reverse DNS delegated via RIPE
    • authoritative + secondary DNS working
    • PTR resolving globally

    learned way more about IPv6, RIPE objects, EDNS, and reverse DNS than I expected this week :)

    Thanked by 3oloke AudioDoge vicaya
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