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Just don't let your kids watch tiktok, youtube shorts, or instagram feed. It's all brainrot content. If they must to keep with their stupid peers, you should stand-by their shoulder and tell them to skip it.
Hip-hop/rap/pop culture isn't good for kids upbringing. With so much sex innuendos, ー sorry for saying this ー they won't attempt to engage in sexual intercourse in front of you, but they will do stupid things like twerking. And that's when the good ol' spanking should be applied.
Nah, at the end of the day i'm not here to discuss serious things
Great charity.
Sorry, but adult has the duty to correct children. There's difference between kids doing kids stuff e.g. lying about their age online and causing damages or causing a scene.
As a general knowledge, sure... But, you don't try meth because everyone else is a methhead.
OK, i guess i was to slow with chickening out of discussing serious stuff.
Well, correcting is fine, if shaking their ass because they think its funny is really much of a big deal is debatable but hitting kids is not. The only thing learned from this is at the very best that it is OK to coerce compliance by force. The damage is probably still limited by it being somewhat predictable but... I have seen what becomes of people growing up in violent environments and while there certainly is various scales its nothing good. This shit is contagious. It will get passed on.
Seriously how would you archive that? Keep them out of school or simply make them (somehow) into that kid all their peers think is weird? Its certainly not ideal and maybe its possible to kind of limit the impact (by providing perspective or whatever) but in the end they will have to function within their group, which is going to care about all those things. Kids are brutal and i don't see how exposing them to a ton of rejection is much of a solution.
In any case i can't say that envy people having to deal with this IRL.
Twerking is different than shaking their ass e.g. this gif
The assumed posture bare resemblance to dorsal mounting
If you don't correct it, children will thought "It's okay thing to do".
I think you're misunderstanding something. Having good general knowledge is good. But, when you let your kids submerged and get addicted to social media, that's straight child neglect. If for some reason the social group require them to get addicted, then it's better to left that social group.
The teachers at my alma mater said it to me, phone/laptop usage among students disturbed learning process... As they're using it in class. Teachers can't do much because their hands are tied.
And my alma mater is quite competitive. At least during my time, some students at my school won an olympiad medal or two
I'm kinda thinking that this needs to be merged into the Weeb thread
I disagree. Life is not just dreams and positivism and "can do" attitude. Life is hard and filled with bad stuff because there are different cultures out there. For anything in life there are consequences. If you do something good you get rewarded, if you do something really bad police will take you by force and cancel your freedom. As a responsible parent you must teach children both consequences, even if sometimes (very important: sometimes) you must apply coercion in a very limited way. Our parents and teachers in the past were not wrong when using the stick sometimes, because life is not just beauty and harmony.
Because of too much positivism, children nowadays don't learn. It is why they are called in a pejorative way "snowflakes" because as soon as they hit something hard, they melt. I believe it's the first time when the next generation will not be smarter than the previous one (as in less books read and less knowledge for brain development). Sure, they will know to target what they want in life and they will have AI to help with instant information, but they won't be wise and flexible, aware of both good and bad with their consequences in history. This is just my assumption and hopefully I shall be proven wrong.
@crunchbits did you ship anything yet?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/216309/win-a-sweet-beelink-eqr7-mini-pc-in-serverhosts-spring-giveaway-now-through-may-15-get-a-4gb-vps
The shitposting and the usage of "A.I" is very good.
Sorry, it's clearly giveaway.
@forest do you want hoodie & fumo? They accept crypto too
Hmm, yeah, its kind of retarded but in the end its mostly just a stupid dance as far as i am concerned and i don't really see how it would cause that much harm. In any case if a parent feels it to be off limits its 100% up to them to throw in their weight to push back against it as long as it stays on a constructive level.
Agreed, we might have just been talking past each other here (or maybe i was just to triggered by the first part). I mean, sure, its probably possible to avoid social groups consisting of straight up wannabe gangsters but you can't really avoid society as a whole, which especially in the teen age group will on a more general level push in similar directions even if not in such a destructive over the top manner. Lets just take materialism for an example. I highly doubt that it will be possible to release children into society without having them conform at least somewhat to materialistic expectations since aside from small pockets those basically exist through society as a hole.
Well, that is the utopian ideal at least. In reality bad people not only get away with bad stuff all the time but they also regularly get padded on the back while stumbling upwards. Doing something good on the other hand is far from a guarantee to get rewarded. If you are unlucky you might as well just get a kick in the proverbial balls.
The fact that it needs a police force using physical force to uphold basic moral principles (well if the idea behind it somewhat works at least) on the other hand is not some kind of automatic given but rather a sign of how badly broken society is. A society held together by the threat of suffering instead of an implicit agreement on a set of core values is something that is pretty much bound to be a sad place. I don't see how applying this model to one's personal life is archiving anything constructive.
I value the level headed and measured response but i will have to disagree at least on the physical part. While even the most perfect parenting style probably won't be able to 100% avoid coercion in one way or another its in my opinion pretty much suboptimal by definition. On a general level the pure implicit personal authority (ie one that is based in trust, admiration and respect) of a parent should be sufficient to persuade children away from certain harmful tendencies with values taught and wisdom passed on doing the remaining part. Having to resort something as blunt as (maybe even physical) coercion is pretty much the ultimate admission of non-authority. Its just feared but not respected.
While i perfectly agree with your assessment in regards to a quite noticeable dumbing down tendency and how it is important to locate and push back against the reasons for it i don't think physical punishment to play much of role in this (at least not one that could possibly have much a constructive effect). Life itself can punch pretty hard and the realization how brutal it can be (without any kind of authority to appeal to about how unfair it is - or at least none that would listen/care) is a valuable lessen.
I mean, i certainly 100% get where you are coming from. Its kind of like the basic principle of knowing how it is sometimes required to play a rigged game and fight instead of pointlessly complaining/demanding has been lost to convenience and learned helplessness. I perfectly see how basic skills are eroding. Even in my own age group there is not that many people capable and/or willing to fix even the most basic every day things around the house. DIY or getting dirty in general is some kind lesser planet to people and its certainly not getting any better.
There is a very long list of things going in a totally wrong direction but pinning it all on not-strict-enough parenting (and i surely know some examples of this in my closer circle... there sure is some bad results) probably isn't the answer. There's a ton of dynamics at work there. The basic realization how actions tend to have consequences, which need to be factored in, is certainly an important one though.
I didn't delete anything.
Monkey see monkey do.
That's why we saw pandemic of adult doing stupid things, because no other people told them that they look stupid as an adult. It creates people with twisted reality. Psychopath knows more about common sense than them.
The pandemic teenagers who did stupid dance with face mask are now 18+ and they're constant nuisance worse than tourists. Who in their sane mind would do stupid dances, breakdancing, etc in store while there's other customers? And the livestreamer that kept talking ? The worst.
But there's a crucial distinction: a knob set to 1-2 versus turned up to 9. As adults, our job is to establish clear boundaries and help children understand consequences—essentially, to prevent the escalation into genuine harm. The real problem isn't that society has expectations; it's that our behavioral framework has become ineffective.
Some psychologists eliminated punishment as a tool under the assumption that consequences feel cruel and abusive. They reasoned away an essential part of child development without recognizing that thoughtful,
proportional consequences aren't cruelty—they're how children learn that actions have meaningful costs. We've overcorrected from harsh punishment intopermissiveness, and children suffer from the lack of structure.The challenge isn't protecting kids from all social influence. It's maintaining firm, reasoned boundaries while society pulls them toward excess.
I don't think the covid hysteria makes for that great of an example to apply to every day life as it can't simply be broken down to a couple of sentences. I mean sure, looking from the largely uninvolved outside the extremes that regularly surfaced were pretty crazy-scary but at that point its quite safe to say that no version of telling people they look stupid would have archived much besides defensive behavior due the addressed person viewing it as a thread to their personality (which is part of the problem but doesn't go away by recognizing it).
From what i have witnessed around protests and all that those seemed to be largely frequented by non-conformist and/or anti-authoritarian personalities. I mean if your take is that i would be great to instill such ideas in kids that is laudable but then these kind of paths are not that easy to take even for an adult let alone kids going through their formative years (doesn't even have to be puberty or whatever). It also seems to somewhat conflict with the idea of being pressured into some kind of strict outline.
I kind of get the feeling that you wouldn't have liked me or my peer group 20-25 years ago either (no covid involved here). Sure, we were a different version of stupid menace but still very much a stupid menace
I might be totally off here since while i am actually to a good part surrounded by people who are younger than me being in my early 40s hardly gives me any credentials to claim to be in touch with current days youth. From my perspective today's youth is for a large part (i will just conveniently ignore the portion, which basically acts like some type of modern day cavemen - no point in wasting time on those guys) way to well-behaved and way to conforming (some of the underlying dynamics being more others less obvious).
Like i have said earlier, i feel the covid example to be a little to complex (and in parts emotionally charged) but in the end a lot of the dynamics back then were driven by (sometimes blind) trust in (perceived) authority, which i think makes a bit of sense in this context and i mean this in both directions.
Well, i don't think its that easy to pick apart. What good is a functional framework (i am not really sure what you mean by framework to be honest so i will just assume it to be some kind of functional way forcing kids to do stuff) when external factors threaten their own kind of consequences. Sure, it might work in that the receiving end feels compelled to comply but then also just ends up between a rock and hard place with not much of an actual solution for dealing with the fallout as both sides simply threaten consequences in the event of non-compliance. Now one of those sides actually is a theoretical construct so an expectation of flexibility or reason would probably be misplaced.
I don't even head on disagree here. Some actual guidance and communicating useful skills would likely already work wonders in a lot of ways. On average i don't see much of a point in the fixation on punishment though. Sure, there will probably be times when a little pushing will be advantageous/required but in general life is pretty good at serving punishment on its own. All it takes is to let children take a bit of responsibility while not constantly bailing them out no matter what if they mess up.
While i can kind of see where you are coming from with lack of structure this whole thing works both ways. The fact that people for the most part are used to being pressured into rigid systems makes them quite ill adapted to actual freedom of choice. Not only might the idea of having to weight every little thing themself be - at least subconsciously - scary but many people will simply not know what to do with freedom if it is given to them and that is quite unsurprising in my opinion.
When all they have learned is how to avoid punishment there is little point in forming some kind of coherent belief system (actually it is even somewhat counterproductive since what are you going to do when your belief system conflicts with the very thing you need to do to avoid punishment?). It shows pretty well in people gaming the system without any kind of moral concerns. To them it is just logical since anything that doesn't come with the threat of punishment attached must be OK. That is what they learned after all, so they start looking for loopholes. Its pretty much why we need books containing 1000s of variations of don't be an asshole (we call them law if that wasn't obvious).
Yeah, i kind of see what you mean and in the end we probably aren't even that far off. It's just that we are coming from totally different perspectives.
Edit: Thats better than the stupid joke i ended this with originally.
Sorry for making it unclear. I was referring to currently adult, previously teenager who grew with tiktok. Not the adult doing stupid stuff during the pandemic (that kind of change their upbringing. Anyway, point taken).
So, we kind of tolerate the craziness tiktokers do to attract attention, to the point it's normalized. We kind of accept this thing because we reckon someone has to blew off some steam because of the circumstances at that time. But, I have had enough of what these poorly planned influencers do. You may thought random vegans from PeTA would ruin your day by blocking access to meat section. Few days ago one of the livestreaming girl laid down on an aisle and make poses for the stream. And I was like, "Yet another stupid streamer"
Let me explain the framework. There's stick and there's carrot. You gave carrot to donkey when it's doing its job. And gave stick (punishment) if it's not following the instruction. This creates reinforcement cycle. Without punishment it broke the system. Even bad deeds will get rewarded by carrot. So, why bother? ** And this is particularly bad at schools as nations worldwide try to implement the abysmally broken **Finnish model which misattributed present result as the success of current system, instead of older (more traditional type of teaching ) system down the pipeline.
As for the lack of structure, I mean it is fundamental process of institution learning. It's not about kids being unable to fit within the given framework e.g social (that's what kids should have learn on kindergarten). If the kids doesn't pay attention, but teachers can't punish their misbehavior even by sending them outside of the room, then how the teacher is going to correct their behavior?
I would recommend reading r/Teachers
Yeah, i get that. I just fear that there isn't really all that much that can be done outside of trying to convey how such kinds of behaviors are nothing but pointless stupidity. Sure, its well known that hope dies last but at least my hope would be that if kids are equipped with a sufficiently intellectual background they will see right through this and notice how shallow and meaningless those types of stunts are.
I see the dilemma though. For an adult its (more or less) easy to decide that keeping a certain distance to society and it's trends would be the sensible thing to do. For a child this is eternally harder. Be it due to the longing for acceptance that comes with the age group, not having much of an overview of the grand scheme of things and therefore being somewhat easy to impress or just because of the general search for identity and meaning. I seriously don't envy parents in regards to all those problems. Archiving some kind of actual understanding is probably seriously hard.
Ah, i see. I feel it to be weird to reward people for just doing the normal thing and like i said, i have my reservations as to how much actual understanding is created by such a system but the idea behind it is obviously clear.
The school system is one seriously broad (and entirely fucked up) topic. I perfectly agree on that. Around here it was already in parts failing like 25 years ago and i have some pretty close reports of how it has just gotten worse since then. Among the top problems (at least around here - i figure circumstances will differ regionally) something like lack of discipline (which is obviously still problematic) probably isn't even discussed that much anymore.
By now major parts of the kids entering 1st grade can hardly express themself with quite a lot don't even speaking the local language, which is basically a death knell to any kind of productive education. Chaotic conditions (euphemism much, i guess...) are just the icing on the cake.
Removing kids from the classroom (or do you mean that wherever those reports are from that is not possible anymore?) is not to bad in my opinion though. In the end if a child doesn't want to learn there is really very little that can be done to (easily) change this and removing the distraction in favor of the other kid's education makes some sense.
Actually making their kids understand the importance (and maybe even joy - well, one can dream... i don't think schools around here are joyful in any shape or form and that isn't because of the fact that education is going on) should really be primarily in the interest of the parents. That this often times couldn't be much further away from reality (these days?) is obviously clear though.
Schools can't (no matter the form of punishment) replace that though. It would just escalate things further. For some children it might work (ignoring potential side effects) but i am quite certain that even 25 years back the actual problem cases would have just taken whatever would have been sent their way and ignored it with physical punishment likely sooner or later leading to retaliation and beyond that just the same apathetic reaction. Trying this today... I'd rather not think about it.
I wish i would know a solution but i don't. I mean trying to make parents responsible would probably be the closest thing but then i am also very reserved in regards to getting the state involved in the parent-child relationship and lets face it many, many, many parents are simply incapable. There's no forcing someone who just isn't able to comply anyways. All in all (like many things these days) a pretty fucked up situation.
Too many big walls of texts here
Where are them dolls?
I got a better question: where are the donations? More people should donate. We like deals, but sometimes is good to make donations too. Even though the economy it thrown to the toilet nowadays; we must be better than the filthy-rich leaders and show that we still have a coin to spare for that side of humanity which many of them have lost. This thread even offers a doll incentive to donate, so where are them donations?
@crunchbits
Hiwbmany tickets ya got with donations directly shared there instead of here?
Any ballpark number reached?
Nah, I prefer to keep myself anonymous, so I never look to receive anything physical.
Virtual pleasure
It s posibl
But, you can use forwarder or empty houses, right? Anyway if you don't mind, I'd like to donate in your name and GET another fumo+hoodie
It would have to be a top-quality Cirno fumo for me to go that far!
And sure lol I don't mind.
Where are the dolls? Big walls? Too many?
No time for your questions. Busy with... things.
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Got it. @crunchbits #4
What things?
gold, power, connections... the rest is noise...
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