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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @xvps said:

    @tentor said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @tentor said:

    @WiFi said:
    Cloudflare is protecting a fraudulent business

    They are protecting themselves from a court over a $15/year service

    Cloudflare is a bit odd company. Sometimes they can protect people who are clearly abusing their service and running something hack oriented and act within multiple days sometimes.

    There are a lot of speculations that they are US honeypot. If you think about it, it starts to make sense.

    U.S. law essentially makes all U.S. companies government honeypots. For that reason, they couldn’t become GDPR-compliant until the U.S. and the EU reached an agreement addressing this issue when the GDPR was implemented.

    I don't know many companies offering free CDN and DDoS protection with a potential for concealing backend from public

  • xvpsxvps Member

    @tentor said:

    @xvps said:

    @tentor said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @tentor said:

    @WiFi said:
    Cloudflare is protecting a fraudulent business

    They are protecting themselves from a court over a $15/year service

    Cloudflare is a bit odd company. Sometimes they can protect people who are clearly abusing their service and running something hack oriented and act within multiple days sometimes.

    There are a lot of speculations that they are US honeypot. If you think about it, it starts to make sense.

    U.S. law essentially makes all U.S. companies government honeypots. For that reason, they couldn’t become GDPR-compliant until the U.S. and the EU reached an agreement addressing this issue when the GDPR was implemented.

    I don't know many companies offering free CDN and DDoS protection with a potential for concealing backend from public

    No, but U.S. laws can allow the government to access ALL DATA held by U.S. companies and their subsidiaries, regardless of where the subsidiary is registered and the data is stored.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @xvps said:

    @tentor said:

    @xvps said:

    @tentor said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @tentor said:

    @WiFi said:
    Cloudflare is protecting a fraudulent business

    They are protecting themselves from a court over a $15/year service

    Cloudflare is a bit odd company. Sometimes they can protect people who are clearly abusing their service and running something hack oriented and act within multiple days sometimes.

    There are a lot of speculations that they are US honeypot. If you think about it, it starts to make sense.

    U.S. law essentially makes all U.S. companies government honeypots. For that reason, they couldn’t become GDPR-compliant until the U.S. and the EU reached an agreement addressing this issue when the GDPR was implemented.

    I don't know many companies offering free CDN and DDoS protection with a potential for concealing backend from public

    No, but U.S. laws can allow the government to access ALL DATA held by U.S. companies and their subsidiaries, regardless of where the subsidiary is registered and the data is stored.

    We are talking about different stuff then

  • WiFiWiFi Member
    edited April 15

    @Nyr said: Stop complaining about legit providers kicking your illegal content.

    Man, don't be rude or dumb about it. I am not complaining at all. I am exploring new opportunities and looking for ways to grow the project. I am spending real time and money on this - learning, paying lawyers, paying for IT services - and then sharing what I learn so it can help other people too. Meanwhile, I have not seen anything useful from you here, so right now you are just adding noise. Don't be that guy.

  • WiFiWiFi Member
    edited April 15

    Regarding the GDPR:

    GDPR applies only to individuals who are located in the EU or conduct activities in the EU, regardless of citizenship. That is not your case. For the other party to fall under GDPR protection, they would have to move to the EU and begin conducting business there with an EU company. That is how GDPR works, and this is further clarified by supplementary regulations and legal practice.

    The final opinion on this situation is as follows: the website is not violating anything at this time, and GDPR does not apply unless the EU company opens a real legal presence in the United States through a registered U.S. entity. If they, as an EU operator, are simply conducting business in the U.S. by renting third-party infrastructure such as space, servers, or network capacity, GDPR does not apply.

    That said, this is not especially important. None of the providers are even remotely relying on GDPR. They are just giving random reasons that have nothing to do with the law. For example, they say, “What if someone sends something through the contact form?” My lawyer’s response is that you cannot speculate about something that has not happened. A tool by itself is not a violation. He then asks them to show what, exactly, was sent through the form. There are no answers to those questions. Instead, the response is, “We understand your explanation, but what if someone sends something through the form?” And so on.

    As for “personal data,” under the laws of the state where the business is registered and where the founders live, and this is disclosed everywhere, all beneficiary information is published on a public government resource maintained by the Department of State. That includes home addresses and even email correspondence if the business owner requested a name change or other amendment. In my case, all of that information is publicly available on the official state website, and it will never be removed because that is how state law works. Anyone who registered a business there accepted those terms.

    So if the same information is displayed on an official government website, and nothing negative is said about these people, that is considered acceptable. But when the same information appears alongside statements that they are bad actors, they suddenly object. That suggests the real issue is not personal data, correct? :)

  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @HOSTCAY said: Get in touch

    Thank you. I will see who else replies today, and tonight I may launch the third mirror, possibly with you.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @WiFi said:

    @Nyr said: Stop complaining about legit providers kicking your illegal content.

    Man, don't be rude or dumb about it. I am not complaining at all. I am exploring new opportunities and looking for ways to grow the project. I am spending real time and money on this - learning, paying lawyers, paying for IT services - and then sharing what I learn so it can help other people too. Meanwhile, I have not seen anything useful from you here, so right now you are just adding noise. Don't be that guy.

    Uh? I have already gave you great advice: your content is illegal in the EU, do not use EU providers. In the US free speech protections are way more extensive than in the EU.

    This is actually great advice, if you choose to follow that. About free speech friendly providers in the US - there are plenty of them, and plenty of threads in this forum talking about them. I will give you one pointer anyway: FiberHub.

    I do not get what is the big issue, your site is no THAT bad in the sense that plenty of providers will be willing to host it. You are just making some horrible provider choices, like choosing a Slovenian company.

    Thanked by 1WiFi
  • WiFiWiFi Member

    What is more, I mentioned Switzerland, and this is what came to light. Switzerland is not required to comply with GDPR as its domestic law because it is not part of the EU or the EEA. It has its own law, the FADP. GDPR does not apply there unless the company conducts business in the EU.

  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @Nyr said: You are just making some horrible provider choices, like choosing a Slovenian company.

    Like what?

  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @Nyr said: Uh? I have already gave you great advice: your content is illegal in the EU,

    You are wrong. As the EU lawyer explained above, this is already well established. But that is not the point right now. I want to spread the mirrors across different continents, and at the moment I specifically need a U.S. mirror.

  • conceptconcept Member

    I think its silly to argue whether or not this or that is illegal or legal. Lawyers and Law enforcement in their jurisdiction knows whether it is or not its legal. If a hosting provider in the EU feels there is legal issues or simply don't want to host OP website, its all good. No one is forcing them to host it.

    @WiFi said:
    Hi all,

    Are there any U.S. alternatives to Incognet for a U.S. mirror without a CDN? They are out of VPS capacity on the East Coast and in the central U.S. Only the West Coast is available, which I do not want.

    Support for the free speech concept is a must.

    kyun.host is the same.

    So you are looking for US East and US Central or only one of them? I may have someone in mind that can help.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @Nyr said: FiberHub

    Is this the one?
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/79397/ultravps-com-aka-vp-easy-aka-vesaweb-aka-fiberhub-non-existent-24-7-support

    That thread does not sound very promising. By the way, DirectHub does not offer any VPS services directly.

  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @concept said: So you are looking for US East and US Central or only one of them? I may have someone in mind that can help.

    Only one is needed for now. Two are already up and running. The East Coast is preferred at the moment, with support for free speech as a requirement.

  • conceptconcept Member

    @WiFi said:

    Is this the one?
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/79397/ultravps-com-aka-vp-easy-aka-vesaweb-aka-fiberhub-non-existent-24-7-support

    That thread does not sound very promising. By the way, DirectHub does not offer any VPS services directly.

    BuyVM's Las Vegas location is Fiberhub.

    Thanked by 1WiFi
  • 3K333K33 Member, Host Rep

    @WiFi said:
    What is more, I mentioned Switzerland, and this is what came to light. Switzerland is not required to comply with GDPR as its domestic law because it is not part of the EU or the EEA. It has its own law, the FADP. GDPR does not apply there unless the company conducts business in the EU.

    Switzerland's FADP is almost 1:1 to GDPR, they are mirror laws.
    That's why data transfer there does not require same "precautions" as transfer to other "foreign" countries.

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • WiFiWiFi Member
    edited April 15

    @concept said: BuyVM's Las Vegas location is Fiberhub.

    I am already with BuyVM in Swiss, and I do not want one company handling 1 or 2 of the complaints for both locations at the same time. My opponent moves fast, monitors the web daily, and keeps scrubbing information about himself. Most of the sites are already gone, and even Google Search results have largely been wiped. So he will figure out it is BuyVM within a day or two. You guys were the ones who suggested not putting all my eggs in one basket.

    Thanked by 1concept
  • WiFiWiFi Member

    @concept and @ALL

    Could you give me a couple of recommendations today, within the next 1 to 4 hours, based on everything discussed above? I am looking at the central or East Coast of the U.S. I would like to wrap up the issue of the three mirrors this evening and then see how things develop from there. I already replied above regarding BuyVM.

    Thanked by 2concept rpqu
  • conceptconcept Member

    @WiFi said:
    @concept and @ALL

    Could you give me a couple of recommendations today, within the next 1 to 4 hours, based on everything discussed above? I am looking at the central or East Coast of the U.S. I would like to wrap up the issue of the three mirrors this evening and then see how things develop from there. I already replied above regarding BuyVM.

    I just sent you a pm.

    Thanked by 1WiFi
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