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Tor exit-friendly VPS (1c2g5g, 2 IPs) outside of common exit locations

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  • matze00matze00 Member

    take a look at https://ishosting.com/

    they offer VPS in many countrys.

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    @matze00 said:
    take a look at https://ishosting.com/

    they offer VPS in many countrys.

    Hmm, I think I looked at them before and decided against them, but I don't remember why. I'll give them another look. I doubt they allow exits, but they might be good for middles.

    @matze00 said:

    @forest said:

    So that's 7 exits and a potential additional 8 exits out of the 42 relays I have as of writing this.

    Thanks for your participation against censorship. Are you also running I2P relays?

    Yep! Currently nine I2P routers. I also run fifteen Hyphanet (Freenet) nodes and two (non-mining) Monero nodes.

    Thanked by 2matze00 JohnFilch123
  • TorfirionTorfirion Member
    edited April 13

    Hey,
    Some names that come to mind are:

    https://laodc.com/ Laos as far as I remember it's(or was) being operated by TiAMO who was in Thepiratebay so he'll probably be happy to have TOR related service, the site is not really maintained but the network is up so worth sending an e-mail if it responds!

    https://flokinet.is Iceland, famous free speech hoster, they accept tor exit : https://billing.flokinet.is/index.php?rp=/knowledgebase/103/Tor-Exit-Policy.html

    https://veesp.com/ Latvia, they were hosting some torrents sites ask if they accept tor exit

    https://yourserver.se/ Latvia They were also hosting torrent sites, didn't find reference to TOR exit in their TOS so will have to ask as well

    https://vsys.host Ukraine, also freedom of speech hoster, would have to ask as well

    https://www.shinjiru.com they have servers in Malaysia, HK, LT, RU, SG and are apparently tor friendly : https://forum.torproject.org/t/good-isp-bad-updates/4125

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    @Torfirion said:
    Hey,
    Some names that come to mind are:

    https://laodc.com/ Laos as far as I remember it's being operated by TiAMO who was in Thepiratebay so he'll probably be happy to have TOR related service, the site is not really maintained but the network is up so worth sending an e-mail if it responds!

    I have a VPS with downstream of theirs, the bandwidth on IPv4 is very limited :/

    https://vsys.host Ukraine, also freedom of speech hoster, would have to ask as well

    @vsys_host

    Thanked by 1Torfirion
  • @Torfirion said:
    https://yourserver.se/ Latvia They were also hosting torrent sites, didn't find reference to TOR exit in their TOS so will have to ask as well

    I tried hosting an exit with them a few years ago and they kicked my quite fast.

    Thanked by 3oloke forest Torfirion
  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    I'll look into these guys! Even if they don't allow exits, Laos and Latvia are great locations for middles.

    I looked into them but they're quite expensive and I believe over-represented in the Tor consensus.

    They actually looked really good, but they didn't let me make an order over Tor. They just said they can't accept any orders from my account and they thought I was someone from their past who defrauded them.

    Funny story, actually. I did go with them once. I asked them if exits were allowed and they said yes, so I made a purchase. A little later, I got a message saying a higher-up had to step in and say that no, exits are not in fact allowed. When I asked for clarification and said that I was given permission, they changed their mind (again) and said that exits would be fine after all. So all was good, until another higher-up stepped in and said that exits were not allowed.

    So I asked for a refund (the server hadn't yet begun relaying traffic). I was told a refund would be processed shortly. Then someone stepped in and said that sorry, they can't refund to crypto. Then someone else stepped in and said that yes, in fact, they could. So eventually they did refund me.

    So... I did try them, but they do, don't, do, don't allow exits and will, won't, will refund you in crypto. :D

    But in the end, everything worked out. It was just a series of miscommunications within the company.

    @Torfirion said: https://www.shinjiru.com they have servers in Malaysia, HK, LT, RU, SG

    They used to allow exits. I believe they don't anymore. They're quite expensive, too.

    Thanked by 1Torfirion
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Torfirion said: https://laodc.com/ Laos as far as I remember it's being operated by TiAMO who was in Thepiratebay so he'll probably be happy to have TOR related service, the site is not really maintained but the network is up so worth sending an e-mail if it responds!

    International bandwidth in Laos is in the tens of dolars per megabit range.

    The rest of listed options are either are not viable or already host a sizeable number of nodes.

    Thanked by 3oloke forest Torfirion
  • forestforest Member

    @oloke said: I have a VPS with downstream of theirs, the bandwidth on IPv4 is very limited :/

    Ah shit, the NoAckHosting's Laos location is one of their downstreams? Yeah that is limited. I wouldn't mind 10 Mbps in Laos, but getting literally just a hundredth of that (100 Kbps) from the UK is insanely slow. That's 12.5 KiB/s. That's almost a minute and a half to load a one megabyte JPEG.

    Thanked by 2oloke Torfirion
  • forestforest Member

    @darkmaster said:

    @Torfirion said:
    https://yourserver.se/ Latvia They were also hosting torrent sites, didn't find reference to TOR exit in their TOS so will have to ask as well

    I tried hosting an exit with them a few years ago and they kicked my quite fast.

    It's always best to ask them first, at least when exits are concerned, if they don't explicitly allow it. Not only does it save time and money, but it prevents them from associating all of Tor with unexpected abuse.

    Thanked by 1tux
  • conceptconcept Member
    edited April 13

    Tough finding providers that allow it and outside of those countries. It might be easier if you bring your own ip but then that will just add on the costs. Or you encounter those Fake GEOIP like Belize.

    Thanked by 2oloke forest
  • @forest said:

    @darkmaster said:

    @Torfirion said:
    https://yourserver.se/ Latvia They were also hosting torrent sites, didn't find reference to TOR exit in their TOS so will have to ask as well

    I tried hosting an exit with them a few years ago and they kicked my quite fast.

    It's always best to ask them first, at least when exits are concerned, if they don't explicitly allow it. Not only does it save time and money, but it prevents them from associating all of Tor with unexpected abuse.

    I did and they pointed to their TOS which do not forbid it so i thought they are okay with it, in the end they were not so i moved on.

    Thanked by 1concept
  • TorfirionTorfirion Member
    edited April 13

    @forest Ehehe good that they finaly refunded you

    Have you checked 1984 in IS? Also free speech host(even if always their exit policy as to be confirmed), but as always in IS might be costly 1GB RAM 1 CPU 25GB DISK 1TB TRANSFER(tx+rx) €7.60/month https://1984.hosting/product/pricelist/

    Also not in an exotic location but there is Svea in Sweden in case it may interest you : https://svea.net/vps RAM 2GB SSD 5GB Bandwith 4TB 15EUR/mo They hosted openbittorrent tracker at it's end and are tor friendly, hosting themselves a tor exit node: https://svea.net/giving-back

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    @Torfirion said: Have you checked 1984 in IS

    I believe there are number of Tor relays that are hosted by them already.

    And I'll check out Svea! Although it looks like it's €8/month for just 1 TB transfer.

    Thanked by 2Torfirion oloke
  • matze00matze00 Member
    edited April 13

    https://secure.itools.mn/index.php?rp=/store/virtual-server-tureeslekh-vps
    offers VPS in Mongolia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $170

    https://cloud.mu/linux-virtual-servers/
    Offers VPS in Mauritius with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly cost ~ $105

    https://en.hoster.kg/vps-hosting-2/
    Offers VPS in Kyrgyzstan with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $125

    https://serversinasia.com/ offers VPS in 144 countries.
    For example, a VPS in Armenia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $180

    https://www.myhost.kg/en/
    offers VPS in Kyrgyzstan with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    https://www.oxahost.tn/vps/serveur-virtuel-prive
    offers VPS in Tunisia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    Also look at https://the.hosting/en/
    I didn't check if they support IPv4 or crypto payment!

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    I'll take a look, thanks!

    They're not a great company. They've partnered with Team Cymru who sells customers' traffic.

  • conceptconcept Member

    @matze00 said:
    https://secure.itools.mn/index.php?rp=/store/virtual-server-tureeslekh-vps
    offers VPS in Mongolia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $170

    https://cloud.mu/linux-virtual-servers/
    Offers VPS in Mauritius with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly cost ~ $105

    https://en.hoster.kg/vps-hosting-2/
    Offers VPS in Kyrgyzstan with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $125

    https://serversinasia.com/ offers VPS in 144 countries.
    For example, a VPS in Armenia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $180

    https://www.myhost.kg/en/
    offers VPS in Kyrgyzstan with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    https://www.oxahost.tn/vps/serveur-virtuel-prive
    offers VPS in Tunisia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    Also look at https://the.hosting/en/
    I didn't check if they support IPv4 or crypto payment!

    It will be interesting to see if any of these even allow tor exits

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • Sorry, I don’t have any recommendations. I just wanted to say that you inspired me to turn a couple of my VPS‘s into tor middle relays.

  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep
    edited April 13

    @matze00 said:
    https://cloud.mu/linux-virtual-servers/
    Offers VPS in Mauritius with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly cost ~ $105

    I am pretty sure they weren't too happy with the idea of running Tor relays on their already limited bandwidth when I contacted them a few years ago (may be worth reasking tho).

    And the unmetered plans seem to be starting at Rs9050/year so $195/year.

  • conceptconcept Member

    @gleepdorf said:
    Sorry, I don’t have any recommendations. I just wanted to say that you inspired me to turn a couple of my VPS‘s into tor middle relays.

    That is awesome, even if its one relay. It still makes an impact. A bridge is very helpful too if you don't have a spare vps but can host at home.

    Thanked by 2oloke lothos
  • forestforest Member

    @concept said: It will be interesting to see if any of these even allow tor exits

    Even if they don't, those are all great locations.

    @gleepdorf said: Sorry, I don’t have any recommendations. I just wanted to say that you inspired me to turn a couple of my VPS‘s into tor middle relays.

    That's awesome! It's always good to see more people step up and put some unused bandwidth to work doing something great for the world. :)

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    @matze00 said:
    https://www.myhost.kg/en/
    offers VPS in Kyrgyzstan with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    Some time last year I messaged another Kyrgyzstani host (borneo.kg) and they were pretty scared to take up even on middle relay.

    I imagine running Tor must be a big risk in those countries for the providers themselves. I'm almost sure no exits in central Asia are possible :/

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 13

    @oloke said: Some time last year I messaged another Kyrgyzstani host (borneo.kg) and they were pretty scared to take up even on middle relay.

    In those cases, it can be best to run a Tor bridge relay or even just an I2P router instead. But in general, I don't ask about running non-exits unless their policy seems ambiguous. Since it won't bring in any abuse complaints, the only thing to worry about is whether or not you'll exceed bandwidth limits or the CPU FUP (a fast relay can easily max out the CPU).

    It's quite rare for a host to prohibit all relays while also having nothing in their ToS about it, although it happens on occasion.

    You can also just mention that the purpose is for traffic relaying and that there is no risk of IP blacklisting or abuse reports. That gives you the ability to tell them that you already disclosed it if they ever do get upset without scaring them with the word "Tor". It's not that they'd be at risk running the relays, but many of them don't understand how it works.

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • conceptconcept Member
    edited April 13

    @forest said:
    Since it won't bring in any abuse complaints, the only thing to worry about is whether or not you'll exceed bandwidth limits or the CPU FUP (a fast relay can easily max out the CPU).

    There are plenty of providers that put a CPU FUP but never enforce it. I have never gotten a complaint for it. A couple years ago, my server from @VPSSLIM got suspended for very high IO usage when hosting Tor middle relay. I have never gotten it before, it was odd. The most common issue is bandwidth usage.

  • forestforest Member

    @concept said: There are plenty of providers that put a CPU FUP but never enforce it.

    That's been my experience too. They'll generally only start enforcing it if so many people overuse the CPU that it causes high CPU steal for everyone else. There are some providers that are very strict though. SiteHub only allows 25% usage of each core, for example, and severe throttling and suspension are automatic. I think OrangeVPS is similar (but I've never run into problems with them because I have 8 cores there).

    @concept said: my server from @VPSSLIM got suspended for very high IO usage when hosting Tor middle relay. I have never gotten it before, it was odd.

    Let me guess, 1 GB RAM? Almost certainly caused by heavy swapping. Tor uses a lot of (quite fragmented) memory, and with just 1 GB RAM, or sometimes even 2, you'll end up pounding the disk with I/O, albeit mostly reads. You can actually mitigate this somewhat by switching Tor to use jemalloc2 instead of the built-in Glibc memory allocator, as the former resists memory fragmentation better.

  • conceptconcept Member
    edited April 14

    @forest said:

    @concept said: my server from @VPSSLIM got suspended for very high IO usage when hosting Tor middle relay. I have never gotten it before, it was odd.

    Let me guess, 1 GB RAM? Almost certainly caused by heavy swapping. Tor uses a lot of (quite fragmented) memory, and with just 1 GB RAM, or sometimes even 2, you'll end up pounding the disk with I/O, albeit mostly reads. You can actually mitigate this somewhat by switching Tor to use jemalloc2 instead of the built-in Glibc memory allocator, as the former resists memory fragmentation better.

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  • forestforest Member

    @concept said: 4 GB DDR4 RAM

    Huh, that is weird. Tor barely uses any I/O on its own.

  • MAXKO_HostingMAXKO_Hosting 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended
    edited April 14

    @forest said:
    For reference, the exits I currently have are in:

    • Romania (iHostART x2)
    • South Africa (Maxko Hosting)
    • USA (Advin Servers)
    • Moldova (Trabia)
    • Slovenia (Pfcloud)
    • Sweden (No Ack Hosting)

    I also run non-exits on hosts that allow exits, and I may switch them over to exits eventually (after triple checking that exits are fully allowed). These are:

    • Croatia (Maxko Hosting)
    • Switzerland (Aluy)
    • Bulgaria (Aluy)
    • Netherlands (Aluy)
    • Finland (Aluy)
    • Sweden (IncogNET)
    • United Kingdom (xHosts)
    • Greece (4vps)

    So that's 7 exits and a potential additional 8 exits out of the 42 relays I have as of writing this.

    4vps has by far some of the most diverse locations where exits are permitted, but their AS is "GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY SOLUTIONS LLC", which already makes up a fairly significant portion of Tor exit capacity.

    The reason I want a routed /48 is so that I can have (at least) two /64 blocks, one of which will be assigned to the Tor exit (which will damage the /64 reputation enough that some nameservers will block it, same reason I need two IPv4 addresses), the other of which will be used as a routed subnet so that Unbound, a local recursive DNS resolver, can use random source addresses to improve protection against DNS poisoning attacks. So far, only my Advin Servers system has routed IPv6 set up that way.

    @concept said:

    @forest said:
    There are a number of those here who do allow exits in this price range, but they're all in the list of countries that I'd like to avoid simply because Tor already has many exits in those regions (the network doesn't need yet another NL relay).

    Trying to run a relay outside of those countries is even harder.. There is only so much you can do. Even if there is a lot in EU/US already, it still better to run one in those countries than to not run at all.

    Indeed, but since I'm on a budget, it's often better to run a number of non-exits in obscure locations than to add yet another exit to the Netherlands or Germany.

    You can convert our TOR relay in Croatia to be exit, as you see 90% of relays in Croatia are our and exit. Also as you see in SERBIA are only few relays and no exit relay. It is time we pump location with exit relays?

    SERBIA VPS ORDER

    Use a coupon code TOR10 for discount.

    Thanked by 3oloke zGato lothos
  • MAXKO_HostingMAXKO_Hosting 🚩 Host Rep Tag Suspended

    @forest for more providers you can check TOR good bad isps list, don't be in shock when you find MAXKO Hosting on list B)

    Thanked by 3oloke zGato forest
  • @matze00 said: offers VPS in Tunisia with unlimited bandwidth. Yearly Cost ~ $150

    @wadhah any thoughts?

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • emperoremperor Member
    edited April 14

    @forest said: Huh, that is weird. Tor barely uses any I/O on its own.

    Mine on delux t-3 (2cpu 5gb ram) is hammering also cpu and disk, making high load.. i dont even know how you guys run relay from them, and there are more than 20 out there..
    EDIT: after their restart (probably someone was abusing the node), i would say its little bit better, there is not much load atm. Lets see how that goes.

    Thanked by 1oloke
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