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I know for sure that 1st was his own ips, than last resort mail.baby because mxroute used to hide originating ip, mail.baby uses your ip when sending mail.
Also as i remember, mail.baby is outgoing only, no incoming. From their website :
Outbound
e-Mail Security & Delivery
Thanks for sharing. That was a great read.
https://selfh.st/weekly/2026-04-10/
I just started using Zoho's ZeptoMail (2 days ago). Emails to other providers work fine, but the first email to Hotmail/Outlook got a soft bounce (Message: 4.7.650 The mail server [136.143.188.237] has been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation). The issue is it keeps retrying from the same IP that’s already rate-limited, instead of switching IPs.
This makes delivery unreliable for transactional emails, and honestly feels like bad retry logic. I expected it to retry from a different IP.
Zoho Mail
Been using it for 12 years (for free). I have two mxroute package but more important domains are on zoho mail. Rock steady and stable.
Why are your more important ones on Zoho rather than MXRoute?
12 years of experience here with zoho.... Even when they put limitation in free accounts; they only put the limitation in new accounts and NOT the ones which were opened before limitation came in. That shows professionalism and commitment even when they are not earning anything.
What are the less restrictive limitations that your free Zoho account provides, that newer accounts don't receive?
You can use only 1 domain in the free tier i think, before was more
When you signed up it gave you unlimited domains on the free tier? What is your limitations for number of mailboxes and/or space quota?
you don't get IMAP/POP access. So you can use only webmail.
When i opened, free was still 1 domain. Space was 25gb and max 5 users (I think).
Feck Google and Microsoft and all big corporations which try to take over internet. Why would you block something based on IP address? This is stupid. There is a shortage of IPv4, and we limit and filter all email communication because of IPv4. This is so damn stupid and it's a horrific display of power and intent to control.
I personally don't care if my e-mail messages go into their spam folders simply because they want IP reputation within their private blacklists or reverse DNS. So be it, feck them all! We struggle with NAT over NAT over NAT in mobile networks, yet these feckers don't care about IPv4 shortage because they sit on a fortune accumulated with greed over the years; meanwhile the world suffers. Feck 'em!
[Sorry for my rant. I had to let this out of my chest.]
That's a good question. Perhaps convenience. But running your own mail server really isn't that hard if you use an SMTP relay for outgoing mail (like SMTP2GO or Zoho Zeptomail). That way you don't have to deal with "IP reputation" and most of these services offer a free plan that has plenty of capacity for normal usage.
Even without an SMTP relay I've never had major issues running my own mail server, but my e-mail domains are all quite old.
Agreed with every point. But what would you do if your clients won't understand why their mails are getting in to spam folders of their recipient.
I didn’t found anything better then mxroute for the given price. It just not exist. There is similar, but sacrifice must be made about price or functionality.
Well, let’s keep flowing until it floats.
Thank you gentleman, the search is over.
In an ideal world without the email cartels, a few "flag as not spam" clicks and the problem will correct itself.
I've just installed smtp2go on my self-hosted postfix mail server.
It works great and it's free up to 1000 emails / month.
cool! I didn't know it
But aren't we, the people running in a loop?
we have to use big corporation because of cartel which spreads the cartel and makes it even stronger. On the other hand, if you go against cartel, your business might face various issues all related to email some of which may be critical.
Any advice on how can we break this loop? A few "not spam" will do the trick?
To break the loop always use small providers, while staying away from big corporations. This is one of the reasons I like LET.
This is just clueless whining when you don't understand why IP is used and don't offer an alternative solution.
Why are you arguing for multiple mail servers behind double NAT for spam and abuse prevention? Makes no sense in this context.
Cranemail is good, I've been using them for a couple of domains. But really, mxroute is an awesome service and can't be beat still. He puts his heart and soul into his product and it shows
I wish I could say the same. I finally got paid and attempted to order but got smacked by fraud. Their reasoning is because my IPv4 geo location reports about ~700KM away from my billing address... which is something I can't control. My IPv6 geo location is accurate. I've tried to get this across the line and have been quite polite, but the responses have been extremely sub-optimal. I've been suggested to try ordering from my mobile(which also terminates and is geo located 700km away from where I live lol, I know this considering I used to work for my mobile company as the queen of mobile faults) and going to a cafe...
The onboarding experience certainly needs improvement.
I have DM'd @Francisco however I haven't had a response yet.
I love the idea of Namecrane but Namecrane's frauds system doesn't love the idea of me (no blame on Karen or Fran, it's just the system is extremely unreasonable and needs tweaking).
I got your message while out, just got back now so I'll hit your ticket shortly
Me love Takeba.
Francisco
I had the same problem with, my ISP exits everyone in Atlantic Canada to Montréal and my mobile exits everyone around here through their hub in another province.
I had to pay with Crypto
So much for your hysterics
Yep, guilty as charged.
Update: I ended up dropping ZeptoMail. I tested both SendGrid and Amazon SES, and decided to settle with Amazon SES — it’s been more reliable for my use case so far.
And no worries about the rant, completely understandable 😄
Any 1 inbox email that doesnt cost arms n legs?
posteo mailbox tuta infomaniak known, any more, possible crypto?
Should only receive registration confirmations for bigger tasks