[FINLAND] Privacy-Focused Dedicated Servers - 64GB DDR4 / NVMe / 1Gbit - from €73.50/mo ($86.08/mo)

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• rpqu Member

  April 10

  First glws

  Thanked by 2PacketraOliver forest
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 10

  Hey Everyone. If you have questions or anything. We can reply here, you can also send me a direct message through LET or through a sales ticket on Packetra.com.
  We would be happy to answer any questions.
• Void Member

  April 11

  Do you demand KYC for refund of crypto payments?
• tentor Member, Host Rep

  April 11

  @Void said:
  Do you demand KYC for refund of crypto payments?

  Their ToS includes answer:

  Non-refundable payment methods:
  Cryptocurrency (issued as account credit)
• forest Member

  April 11 edited April 11

  From your AUP:

  Because all exit traffic appears to originate from our servers, running an exit node creates legal liability and operational disruption for both the customer and Packetra.

  That's actually not true. Under both Finnish and Swiss law, there is no liability for traffic passed through an exit. It's still totally legitimate to prohibit it because it does come with nasty administrative burden and IP reputation / blacklist issues, but there are no legal liability concerns in the EU. Props for the transparency though, and for explicitly allowing non-exits.

  Perhaps in the future, you could consider selectively allowing exits for customers with SWIP, which would eliminate the administrative issues as well as IP reputation issues (because the customer would be bringing their own IPs).

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• tentor Member, Host Rep

  April 11

  @forest said: Under both Finnish and Swiss law, there is no liability for traffic passed through an exit.

  Are you sure it didn't change with EU DSA introduction?
• forest Member

  April 11 edited April 11

  @tentor said:

  @forest said: Under both Finnish and Swiss law, there is no liability for traffic passed through an exit.

  Are you sure it didn't change with EU DSA introduction?

  Yes. Tor hosts nothing and indexes nothing but merely acts as transit. Most of its rules only apply to for-profit services with a certain threshold of active users, anyway.

  There was some talk about this on the Tor mailing list a few years ago IIRC.
• stufently Member

  April 11

  seems hetzner

  Thanked by 2forest SashkaPro
• forest Member

  April 11

  @stufently said:
  seems hetzner

  It looks like Finland is Hetzner and Switzerland is Private Layer.

  Thanked by 1Yuki_
• Yuki_ Member

  April 11

  Privacy-Focused

  Can not use billing portal without JavaScript, very disappointed. You should consider numbered accounts similar to how some actually privacy-focused VPN providers do. You should also consider accepting cash and offer BSD iso's.

  Thanked by 1384_cz
• Obelous Member

  April 11 edited April 11

  @PacketraOliver said: privacy-focused

  Interesting considering you don't even have a privacy policy, it's just a 404.

  What's the company behind Packetra and where is it registered?
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 12

  @Void said:
  Do you demand KYC for refund of crypto payments?

  Hey Void. If there would be an issue from our side and you would be unhappy then we would deal with that on case by case bases even though our stand is not refunding crypto payments. We use Coinpayments which does not ask for KYC when dealing with refunds.
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 12

  @Obelous said:

  @PacketraOliver said: privacy-focused

  Interesting considering you don't even have a privacy policy, it's just a 404.

  What's the company behind Packetra and where is it registered?

  Hey Obelous. Its been fixed. Apologies!
  We have headquarters in Helsinski in Finland and the team that built the company are all from Finland as well.
• DeepSeeks Member

  April 12

  GLWS

  Thanked by 1PacketraOliver
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 12

  @Yuki_ said:

  Privacy-Focused

  Can not use billing portal without JavaScript, very disappointed. You should consider numbered accounts similar to how some actually privacy-focused VPN providers do. You should also consider accepting cash and offer BSD iso's.

  Hey Yuki,

  First, regarding the JS part, unfortunately the billing solution we utilize is Whmcs which doesn't function properly without JS so we can't offer a non JS portal.

  Regarding payment options we do offer crypto currency for privacy oriented clients but at this time there is no Cash By Mail option, we may provide that on a case by case basis for longer cycles in the future.

  Regarding BSD, this we can definitely amend as we are always adding more and more distro options to 9ur VM platform selection.

  We will definitely add soon FreeBSD option.

  We welcome all constructive criticism to improve 😊
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 12

  @forest said:

  Perhaps in the future, you could consider selectively allowing exits for customers with SWIP, which would eliminate the administrative issues as well as IP reputation issues (because the customer would be bringing their own IPs).

  Hey @forest thank you for the feedback on this, definitely something that could be considered in the future, but you are right the administrative burden is a real one. All Constructive criticism and interesting suggestions is valued 😊

  Thanked by 1forest
• Yuki_ Member

  April 12 edited April 12

  @PacketraOliver said:

  @Yuki_ said:

  Privacy-Focused

  Can not use billing portal without JavaScript, very disappointed. You should consider numbered accounts similar to how some actually privacy-focused VPN providers do. You should also consider accepting cash and offer BSD iso's.

  Hey Yuki,

  First, regarding the JS part, unfortunately the billing solution we utilize is Whmcs which doesn't function properly without JS so we can't offer a non JS portal.

  You should consider changing billing system.

  Regarding payment options we do offer crypto currency.

  Is Monero one of them? Do you use a centralized privacy counter productive payment gateway like Cryptomus or a more privacy friendly solution like self hosted BTCPay Server?
• forest Member

  April 13 edited April 13

  @Yuki_ said: Is Monero one of them? Do you use a centralized privacy counter productive payment gateway like Cryptomus or a more privacy friendly solution like self hosted BTCPay Server?

  I use exchanges such as Pegasus Swap when sites don't accept Monero. It's worked every time. Because it requires no registration or personal info, it doesn't negate the privacy that Monero provides.

  Thanked by 1PacketraOliver
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 13

  @Yuki_ said:

  @PacketraOliver said:

  @Yuki_ said:

  You should consider changing billing system.

  We are quite comfortable around WHMCS and it's tools and hooks, thank you for the feedback on this

  Is Monero one of them? Do you use a centralized privacy counter productive payment gateway like Cryptomus or a more privacy friendly solution like self hosted BTCPay Server?

  We accept Monero, we allow all clients to sign up with an email address which is only so we can communicate invoice due. We accept all crypto payments at this time through Coinpayments gateway but Monero and by its design is anonymous. We don't know anything more about our clients than they give us anon signups or full info, entirely up to you. At this time we do not have another gateway such as BTCPay server although this can definitely be on our road map for the future as we add more options through time.

  Thanked by 1forest
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 14

  @Yuki_ said:

  Privacy-Focused

  ...You should also consider accepting cash and offer BSD iso's.

  Hi Yuki,

  I just wanted to let you know that we've templated FreeBSD 14 and 15 as an option, thank you for your suggestion it is well appreciated.

  

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• tux Member

  April 14

  @PacketraOliver said:
  We have headquarters in Helsinski in Finland and the team that built the company are all from Finland as well.

  Are prices with VAT (25,5 %)?
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 15

  @tux said:

  @PacketraOliver said:
  We have headquarters in Helsinski in Finland and the team that built the company are all from Finland as well.

  Are prices with VAT (25,5 %)?

  Hi @tux, to clarify, Packetra's servers are located in Finland and Switzerland, each operating within their respective jurisdictions. The company is incorporated in Hong Kong, but user data is stored exclusively in Finland and Switzerland. We do not charge VAT on our services. Apologies for the confusion, I tried to edit but the window had lapsed.
• cold Member

  April 16

  its hetzner, NOT interesting

  Thanked by 1forest
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 16

  @cold said:
  its hetzner, NOT interesting

  Completely understood, not everyone's cup of tea! Personally operated multiple servers and several storage boxes there for years without issues, but we all have different experiences and priorities which is great 👍
• cold Member

  April 16

  @PacketraOliver said:

  @cold said:
  its hetzner, NOT interesting

  Completely understood, not everyone's cup of tea! Personally operated multiple servers and several storage boxes there for years without issues, but we all have different experiences and priorities which is great 👍

  hetzer is great ! but most of us already have hetzer
  GLW sales

  Thanked by 1PacketraOliver
• Yuki_ Member

  April 19 edited April 19

  @forest said
  I use exchanges such as Pegasus Swap when sites don't accept Monero. It's worked every time. Because it requires no registration or personal info, it doesn't negate the privacy that Monero provides.

  While I am well aware of such exchange companies, I do not wish to support a server provider that is unwilling to adopt Monero. It might not negate my privacy but it funds middlemen, centralized payment gateways like Coinpayments and Coinbase which go against the core principles of cryptocurrency, it's decentralized nature.

  @PacketraOliver said
  We accept Monero, we allow all clients to sign up with an email address which is only so we can communicate invoice due. We accept all crypto payments at this time through Coinpayments gateway but Monero and by its design is anonymous. We don't know anything more about our clients than they give us anon signups or full info, entirely up to you. At this time we do not have another gateway such as BTCPay server although this can definitely be on our road map for the future as we add more options through time.

  While I very much like the fact that you accept Monero due to this, allowing others to purchase servers anonymously, I implore you to consider my above response to forest when when deciding where on your roadmap to put "Stop supporting companies that act against the decentralized part of the internet"
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  April 19

  @Yuki_ said:

  While I very much like the fact that you accept Monero due to this, allowing others to purchase servers anonymously, I implore you to consider my above response to forest when when deciding where on your roadmap to put "Stop supporting companies that act against the decentralized part of the internet"

  This is definitely something, we may consider on our roadmap to introduce a method such as BTCPay Server, at this time there is no ETA on this but I honesetly take whatever criticism as long as it's constructive and put in our roadmap ideas and notes. As you saw, adding the FreeBSD as a very positive addition.

  It's noted and I wish you a good Sunday
• seoworld Member

  April 19

  I don't know if I like these offers - an i5 for this price on a 1GB port - my2cents
• PacketraOliver Member, Patron Provider

  May 23 edited May 23

  @Yuki_ said:

  @PacketraOliver said:

  @Yuki_ said:

  Privacy-Focused

  Can not use billing portal without JavaScript, very disappointed. You should consider numbered accounts similar to how some actually privacy-focused VPN providers do. You should also consider accepting cash and offer BSD iso's.

  Hey Yuki,

  First, regarding the JS part, unfortunately the billing solution we utilize is Whmcs which doesn't function properly without JS so we can't offer a non JS portal.

  You should consider changing billing system.

  Regarding payment options we do offer crypto currency.

  Is Monero one of them? Do you use a centralized privacy counter productive payment gateway like Cryptomus or a more privacy friendly solution like self hosted BTCPay Server?

  Hi @Yuki_ I know this thread is now a bit old but we wanted to update you as well as anyone else that may read this that we now accept XMR/BTC via BTCPay Server self-hosting of course. It may have taken a bit to set up and get sorted but Packetra now accepts direct transfers via non-custodial option.

  Thread is however old, there have been other changes made during the past month such as prices and hardware changes, just wanted to let people know we heard you

  Thanked by 2Yuki_ JohnnySac
• TheGreatOakley Member

  May 23

  Another Hetzner reseller. Get atleast your own ASN.