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Alternatives to MXroute

LeviLevi Member

So, given collapse of trust in service provider, it is natural to seek alternatives. Does anyone scouted something like this:

  • 10+ domains per account
  • 5 GB per box
  • Very good incoming filtering
  • Europe servers
  • 500+ per hour emails
  • Stellar support, uptime and deliverability
  • No need for fancy webmails etc.
  • Up to 20 EUR for 3 years

Close find was the crane, but it is very annoying with "you are fraud, contact support" and GMT -7 is unacceptable + reliability question.

Any more?

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  • JohnFilch123JohnFilch123 Member
    edited April 8

    I have also asked for this but got recommendations like Aluy, TN whatever chilled guy hosting etc. People are so busy with drama that they cannot even read.

    Curious to know alternatives as well. In my experience, I do not think there are similar level alternatives.

  • Maybe namecrane?

  • dbadudedbadude Member
    edited April 8

    gmail? been using them for my domains since stone age.

  • LeviLevi Member

    @Protocol903 said:
    Maybe namecrane?

    They are not reliable enough for email.

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  • Protocol903Protocol903 Member
    edited April 8

    @Levi said: They are not reliable enough for email.

    Can you tell me why? I have been using them for a while now and will soon move my entire stack to them. May I ask what you find "not reliable" with them? I'm using their storage box so far on lifetime plan.

  • LeviLevi Member

    @Protocol903 said:

    @Levi said: They are not reliable enough for email.

    Can you tell me why? I have been using them for a while now and will soon move my entire stack to them. May I ask what you find "not reliable" with them? I'm using their storage box so far on lifetime plan.

    Issues like this: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214059/is-cranemail-down

    And there is more oopsies, mistakes, blunders etc. For some reason I don't trust them. You do not want my path, think with your own head and decide. I'am paranoid person.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    Issues like this: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214059/is-cranemail-down

    And there is more oopsies, mistakes, blunders etc. For some reason I don't trust them. You do not want my path, think with your own head and decide. I'am paranoid person.

    Fair, let me know if you ever change your mind or want to do a test run of anything.

    EU's been great, US2's been great. US1 had its faults from the OS drives, but generally good especially with the lag fixes.

    Good luck on your hunt!

    Francisco

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  • @Francisco said:
    Fair, let me know if you ever change your mind or want to do a test run of anything.

    EU's been great, US2's been great. US1 had its faults from the OS drives, but generally good especially with the lag fixes.

    Good luck on your hunt!

    Francisco

    Is it an option during setup to select the server location region, or is it randomly assigned depending on the purchasing country region?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @daxterfellowes said: Is it an option during setup to select the server location region, or is it randomly assigned depending on the purchasing country region?

    If you pick EU, you go to EU. US2 is taking all new orders as of this past black friday.

    Francisco

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  • stvnastvna Member
    edited April 8

    @Francisco said:

    @daxterfellowes said: Is it an option during setup to select the server location region, or is it randomly assigned depending on the purchasing country region?

    If you pick EU, you go to EU. US2 is taking all new orders as of this past black friday.

    Francisco

    As I already have US1, may I kindly request to be moved to EU? Destroy and recreate, no data migration needed.

    Actually, it has been idle since purchase, disk usage 0 M / 102400 M

    Thanked by 1Kodis
  • NameBigNameBig Member, Patron Provider
    edited April 8

    I'll be releasing an email hosting service very soon (1-2 days), with an exclusive LET deal of around $6/year for 15 users. Stay tuned.

    ~Vikas

  • @Levi said:
    So, given collapse of trust in service provider, it is natural to seek alternatives. Does anyone scouted something like this:

    • 10+ domains per account
    • 5 GB per box
    • Very good incoming filtering
    • Europe servers
    • 500+ per hour emails
    • Stellar support, uptime and deliverability
    • No need for fancy webmails etc.
    • Up to 20 EUR for 3 years

    Close find was the crane, but it is very annoying with "you are fraud, contact support" and GMT -7 is unacceptable + reliability question.

    Any more?

  • KodisKodis Member

    @JohnFilch123 said: with drama that they cannot even read.

    @stvna said:

    @Francisco said:

    @daxterfellowes said: Is it an option during setup to select the server location region, or is it randomly assigned depending on the purchasing country region?

    If you pick EU, you go to EU. US2 is taking all new orders as of this past black friday.

    Francisco

    As I already have US1, may I kindly request to be moved to EU? Destroy and recreate, no data migration needed.

    Actually, it has been idle since purchase, disk usage 0 M / 102400 M

    Same here :)

  • tdwuktdwuk Member

    I moved my domains to Namecrane a while ago, solid service and easy set up. I have both EU and US accounts.

    Thanked by 1concept
  • cmeerwcmeerw Member

    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Thanked by 2Samoht999 JohnnySac
  • Infomaniak — if you have a domain there, and you can add unlimited domain aliases and have unlimited email storage.

  • @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    and harder than you think to get into every inbox instead of spam. :D

    Never the less I like self hosting too, but with a relay like SES ;)

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  • @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Any tips?

  • whynotlearnwhynotlearn Member
    edited April 8

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Any tips?

    There is this https://www.xmox.nl/ which i use, setting it first up was a bit complicated but I used AI (one of the few cases where I liked it) which walked me through it and ended up hosting it, pretty cool if you ask me and I love its minimalist UI actually.

    I dont use it too much often to be honest but it was just an experiment as I wanted to see how email hosting works.

    Golang is awesome language.

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  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    There is no alternative with the listed specs, and most probably never will be. The fact is, that generally speaking MXroute has been super reliable over the years and promo prices have been unbeatable.

    NameCrane will always be less reliable and the focus there is not on quality but volume, plus selling LOTS of lifetimes, which of course is a bad business practice for anyone with common sense. Purelymail is the closest to MXroute but worse, less feature rich, was recently sold and will probably suffer price hikes within the next years.

    There is simply no one else willing to do what jar is doing, as technically competent as him, and with such thin margins, so one needs to make some big compromises to find an alternative.

  • @truemagic said: Infomaniak — if you have a domain there, and you can add unlimited domain aliases and have unlimited email storage.

    I am kinda liking the infomaniak thing, if all you have is a single domain or a few domains and wish for unlimited aliases, maybe it can be good.

    They might also be good if you have domains which you buy and drop the next year because the next year has higher renewal fees.

    So it seems nice, thanks for telling.

  • @whynotlearn said:

    @truemagic said: Infomaniak — if you have a domain there, and you can add unlimited domain aliases and have unlimited email storage.

    I am kinda liking the infomaniak thing, if all you have is a single domain or a few domains and wish for unlimited aliases, maybe it can be good.

    They might also be good if you have domains which you buy and drop the next year because the next year has higher renewal fees.

    So it seems nice, thanks for telling.

    I am using Infomaniak for business things (kSuite Pro subscription) and I kinda like it to be honest, really cheap for what it offers.

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Maintenance is a headache. It is not "hard" in the sense of the technical competence required, just a headache.

    Also anyone who is like the average MXroute customer needs to rely on a third party relay for good deliverability anyway. There is just no way in 2026 to have good, consistent deliverability with a low volume, independent mail server.

  • @Nyr said:

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Maintenance is a headache. It is not "hard" in the sense of the technical competence required, just a headache.

    Also anyone who is like the average MXroute customer needs to rely on a third party relay for good deliverability anyway. There is just no way in 2026 to have good, consistent deliverability with a low volume, independent mail server.

    It depends, Scaleway is a bit expensive at 0.25 euros per thousand mails but I think that personally send less than 1000 mails in a whole year.

    Also hetzner's mail servers feel reliable. I can be wrong, I usually am, but doesn't jar host things on hetzner themselves?

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Nyr said:

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Maintenance is a headache. It is not "hard" in the sense of the technical competence required, just a headache.

    Also anyone who is like the average MXroute customer needs to rely on a third party relay for good deliverability anyway. There is just no way in 2026 to have good, consistent deliverability with a low volume, independent mail server.

    It depends, Scaleway is a bit expensive at 0.25 euros per thousand mails but I think that personally send less than 1000 mails in a whole year.

    Also hetzner's mail servers feel reliable. I can be wrong, I usually am, but doesn't jar host things on hetzner themselves?

    He used to, but that was a while ago. His recent deployments aren't on Hetzner

    In any case, he has his own IPs that he uses for MXroute

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • elliotcelliotc Member

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    No. It is nightmare.

    Thanked by 2Levi Cybr
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Nyr said:

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Maintenance is a headache. It is not "hard" in the sense of the technical competence required, just a headache.

    Also anyone who is like the average MXroute customer needs to rely on a third party relay for good deliverability anyway. There is just no way in 2026 to have good, consistent deliverability with a low volume, independent mail server.

    It depends, Scaleway is a bit expensive at 0.25 euros per thousand mails but I think that personally send less than 1000 mails in a whole year.

    Also hetzner's mail servers feel reliable. I can be wrong, I usually am, but doesn't jar host things on hetzner themselves?

    I am just saying, you need to delegate the outbound part. I am not talking about cost or options, just that self hosting is not viable. There are plenty of specialized transactional providers with a free tier which are probably a better fit than unreliable Scaleway.

    Hetzner or any other hosting provider is usually not comparable to a specialized email hosting provider. They are usable, but will lack features, and deliverability is generally worse.

    In my opinion the best specialized independent mail hosting provider is BY FAR Fastmail, but pricing is not comparable to MXroute, and outside of what the average LET customer would consider, which is free or almost free.

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • @angstrom said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @Nyr said:

    @cmeerw said:
    Self hosting. It's easier than you might think.

    Maintenance is a headache. It is not "hard" in the sense of the technical competence required, just a headache.

    Also anyone who is like the average MXroute customer needs to rely on a third party relay for good deliverability anyway. There is just no way in 2026 to have good, consistent deliverability with a low volume, independent mail server.

    It depends, Scaleway is a bit expensive at 0.25 euros per thousand mails but I think that personally send less than 1000 mails in a whole year.

    Also hetzner's mail servers feel reliable. I can be wrong, I usually am, but doesn't jar host things on hetzner themselves?

    He used to, but that was a while ago. His recent deployments aren't on Hetzner

    In any case, he has his own IPs that he uses for MXroute

    I had gotten scared as to what I had done for you to message me, had my heart beating up xD but felt relieved knowing it was just a normal message.

    Oh I didn't know that he had his own IP's. IIRC jar is currently using Onidel rather than Hetzner for the MXRoute servers.

    Either way I think that I have heard online that hetzner can deliver Email/has some decent IP reputation (I can be totally wrong though)

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