Host-C Pioneer 5TB Storage user looking for alternatives

jsg · March 20

The point that intrigues me here is "more CPU and/or better one" and "more RAM".

I guess 99% of storage servers are used for either backup or "external large disk" (old stuff, movies, etc.).
IMO 1 vCore, 1GB memory is easily good enough, even on E5v4. The decisive point is the large disk. THAT'S pretty much the only spec (besides acceptable connectivity) that counts for a storage server (again, in 99% of cases) that is, Raid level 6, 1, 60, or 10 with reliable good quality disks plus a decent controller, preferably with hw cache.

Plus a decent and experienced engineer involved in the design and operation of the whole thing.

TL;DR @host_c IMO offers the best storage products here and storage only AFAIK and his prices are good, so it wouldn't come to my mind to switch (my main) storage provider.

AlteredParadox · March 20

@aj_potc said:

@AlteredParadox said:
Personally, I do not understand the amount of folks who apparently just ignored the original offer to upgrade the $45/yr pioneer to a $55/yr pioneer on new hardware with better specs.

As I recall, it was an upgrade to a marginally better CPU -- nothing else. For a bulk storage/archive server, I don't see a big advantage. If they were offering more RAM, or a move from RAID-6 to RAID-10, then that would be a different story.

But I also never understood the issue with the E5 platform. I still find them to be beasts in my own use cases.

Newer CPU, 2GB ram to 4GB ram, 20GB NVME boot disk to 50GB nvme boot disk, ipv6 /64 by default, and raid 60 instead of raid 6.

So... upgraded cpu, more ram, more nvme boot disk space, ipv6 block, and arguably better performing storage, as well.

layer7 · March 20

@host_c said:

@layer7 - THX! for helping out some folks here, there will be more of them by 30 APRIL 2026.
Layer7's offer is actually very good at those specs.

Hi,

far too much praise

Of course we can not replace your former offers... you simply overdid it a bit too much with spec-price ratio ;-)

They were just too good.

We will see how things will develop in 2026... we will also raise pricings for storage quiet soon for new contracts. Existing ones, as usual, will remain the same.

Theoretically we are sitting here on some stock of disks. Not sure if we will use them or just sell them.
Currently with those hardware prices from the economical point of view, selling the hardware and not leasing it to customers will give you spot cash worth of multiple years revenue at once. So why bringing them into service in a datacenter with all the trouble comes with it?

The required 5-6 EUR / TB people will usually not pay to make it worth bringing it into the datacenter into service.... lets see how things develop....

Micron and samsung have their business of their life ^^;

host_c · March 20

@layer7 said: Theoretically we are sitting here on some stock of disks. Not sure if we will use them or just sell them.

@layer7 said: Micron and samsung have their business of their life ^^;

@layer7 said: The required 5-6 EUR / TB people will usually not pay to make it worth bringing it into the datacenter into service.... lets see how things develop....

@jsg said: Plus a decent and experienced engineer involved in the design and operation of the whole thing.

Yet, regarding the E5-V4, Fellas I know they work OK for backups, my issue is in density, I cannot pump up 12 bays at 360 TB as I only have 12 bays ( some might have 16 - 4 internal ) yet, to be able to provide 3x8 raid 60 I need 24-26 bays, plus to provide ~1000 GB6 score, I need Scale Gen 2 as that is on pair with some AMD Epycs, oh damn, I also need the 120+ GBPS memory BW versus the 76 GBPS of E5-V4 and sincerely, folks, in 2026, you also need:

AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 - even if the later is among the forst versions ( well second actually )

HOST-C

jsg · March 20

@host_c said:
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@jsg said:

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Yet, regarding the E5-V4, Fellas I know they work OK for backups, my issue is in density, I cannot pump up 12 bays at 360 TB as I only have 12 bays ( some might have 16 - 4 internal ) yet, to be able to provide 3x8 raid 60 I need 24-26 bays, plus to provide ~1000 GB6 score, I need Scale Gen 2 as that is on pair with some AMD Epycs, oh damn, I also need the 120+ GBPS memory BW versus the 76 GBPS of E5-V4 and sincerely, folks, in 2026, you also need:

AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 - even if the later is among the forst versions ( well second actually )

HOST-C

That wasn't criticizing your decisions and your route in any way. I trust your competence (as I've experienced it). My point was about "more cores!", "faster cores!", and "more RAM!" because all of that is simply irrelevant for most use cases.

host_c · March 20

@jsg said: That wasn't criticizing your decisions and your route in any way. I trust your competence (as I've experienced it). My point was about "more cores!", "faster cores!", and "more RAM!" because all of that is simply irrelevant for most use cases.

I perfectly got that, I just underlined for the Folks why we choose XSG2 over E5-V4.

Lucky "bastards" on XSG2 can relax, as the next leap will be XSG4 DDR5 and will take a while to get there.

HOST-C

zejjnt · March 20

@layer7 said:

@host_c said:

@layer7 - THX! for helping out some folks here, there will be more of them by 30 APRIL 2026.
Layer7's offer is actually very good at those specs.

Hi,

far too much praise

Of course we can not replace your former offers... you simply overdid it a bit too much with spec-price ratio ;-)

They were just too good.

We will see how things will develop in 2026... we will also raise pricings for storage quiet soon for new contracts. Existing ones, as usual, will remain the same.

Theoretically we are sitting here on some stock of disks. Not sure if we will use them or just sell them.
Currently with those hardware prices from the economical point of view, selling the hardware and not leasing it to customers will give you spot cash worth of multiple years revenue at once. So why bringing them into service in a datacenter with all the trouble comes with it?

The required 5-6 EUR / TB people will usually not pay to make it worth bringing it into the datacenter into service.... lets see how things develop....

Micron and samsung have their business of their life ^^;

Slide in my DMs when you have decided.
I am (glaze glaze glaze) extremely happy with my storage VPS and more storage would be lovely.

Seriously people, Layer7 has treated me better than I deserve lol.

host_c · March 20

@zejjnt said: Seriously people, Layer7 has treated me better than I deserve lol.

Hmmmmm, what did you do that you needed special treatment???? never-mind, forgot I asked

aj_potc · March 20

@AlteredParadox said:

@aj_potc said:

@AlteredParadox said:
Personally, I do not understand the amount of folks who apparently just ignored the original offer to upgrade the $45/yr pioneer to a $55/yr pioneer on new hardware with better specs.

As I recall, it was an upgrade to a marginally better CPU -- nothing else. For a bulk storage/archive server, I don't see a big advantage. If they were offering more RAM, or a move from RAID-6 to RAID-10, then that would be a different story.

But I also never understood the issue with the E5 platform. I still find them to be beasts in my own use cases.

Newer CPU, 2GB ram to 4GB ram, 20GB NVME boot disk to 50GB nvme boot disk, ipv6 /64 by default, and raid 60 instead of raid 6.

So... upgraded cpu, more ram, more nvme boot disk space, ipv6 block, and arguably better performing storage, as well.

After looking at my tickets, you are correct about the 5TB VPS. I must have been thinking of the 10TB version. For this one, there was no increase in RAM.

In any case, I accepted the move to the new platform at the new prices, because there wasn't really a choice if I wanted to retain the servers. The price is still reasonable, and they've been stable over time.

zejjnt · March 20

@host_c said:

@zejjnt said: Seriously people, Layer7 has treated me better than I deserve lol.

Hmmmmm, what did you do that you needed special treatment???? never-mind, forgot I asked

Unlucky in employment, love, life - lucky in deals? xD

host_c · March 20

@zejjnt said: Unlucky in employment, love, life - lucky in deals? xD

Nice

AlteredParadox · March 20

I still need more @host_c boxes. Because reasons. Or Something.

rpqu · March 20

@AlteredParadox said:
I still need more @host_c boxes. Because reasons. Or Something.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You already have like 30 instance with @host_c. Gotta ask them for custom plan 1c,128MB,1GB ipv6 only

AlteredParadox · March 20

@rpqu said:

@AlteredParadox said:
I still need more @host_c boxes. Because reasons. Or Something.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You already have like 30 instance with @host_c. Gotta ask them for custom plan 1c,128MB,1GB ipv6 only

MOAR

AlteredParadox · March 20

@rpqu said:

@AlteredParadox said:
I still need more @host_c boxes. Because reasons. Or Something.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You already have like 30 instance with @host_c. Gotta ask them for custom plan 1c,128MB,1GB ipv6 only

I mean he already did these during the last fat32 thing, close enough

host_c · March 20

Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

AlteredParadox · March 20

@host_c said:
Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

GLORIOUS

zejjnt · March 20

@host_c said:
Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

Pre-booking for $7/y

dohboy · March 20

@host_c said:
Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

Could this be another option for Pioneer users or no storage drives on these?

MaxTakeba · March 20

@host_c said:
Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

I am suddenly buying a ticket to Romania.

bit · March 21

@layer7 said:

@dohboy said:

@layer7 said:
Hi,

in general it seems in germany would be something available currently. But we would not sell it currently for 5 EUR per month. More like 8 EUR / month.

Could you please share what offers and specs are currently available between around 500GB-5TB storage options? Would they also be available in a couple months if I don't decide right away?

Hi,

we had some time ago a LET special offer with

KVM with CPU host-passthrough:

2x CPU Intel Xeon SP Gold 6122
8 GB RAM
120 GB disk ( 500 IOPS / 50 MB/s Limit )
5 TB HDD ( 500 IOPS / 80 MB/s Limit )
1x IPv4/IPv6
1G Port incl. 50 TB Traffic

that could be offered now for 8 EUR / month or 80 EUR / year
( was before 5 / 50 EUR )

And as it seems to me, we could give 1-2 accounts of this kind currently

But you should consider that we restrict much more ( as it seems to me ) the disk IO compared to host_c ... so if you have disk IO intense applications then you will be unhappy. So if you consider this offer, check how much disk IO you actually need before you pay money, as we usually wont give it back

It makes no sense to give less than 5 TB as we would create an imbalance between available disk space and available disk IO capacity on the hostmachine.

Are there any storage vps's still available?

rpqu · March 21

@host_c said:
Will do something new shortly.

The server is already in the office
2x XSG2 6230, 386 GB RAM, 6.4 TB NVME......... to be continued........

So, $10k in gears?

TimRoo · March 24

@Cybr said:

@AlteredParadox said:

@Cybr said:

@itachikonoha said:

@Cybr said:

@AlteredParadox said:
this thread has a surprising lack of both drama and deals. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS EVEN HAPPENING.

There's no drama because everyone has come to accept the situation and that there will be no deals.

While I do understand that sometimes hosts have no choice to remain solvent, I have also been vocal in the past about my position on providers that increase prices for existing customers who locked into special deals (which is the exception, not the norm).

I personally idled this Pioneer 5TB deal for the past 2 years, so that I would have it at the original price for long-term backup storage which I planned on keeping as long as Host-C was in business, and would have never got it if I knew the deal would not be honored.

I was going to start using it this year, so it's disappointing to lose it right before I actually start using it.

@dohboy Best storage I've seen on LET right now is @DediRock's 2TB deal @ $1.15/TB (which you can stack).

I'll personally be using local drives to replace my Pioneer until the day comes that another provider can offer me a $0.75/TB replacement deal.

To be honest, the new deal was $57/year (for me) which isn't far from $45/year. So I don't think there is too much to complain (from my side).

However, If you talk about principle, then of course, from that perspective, that is a solid point.

Will you feel the same way after the next increase? Or the one after that?

For me it is a matter of principle, but I also want backup storage at a predictable price point which is low enough that I can set aside decades worth of funds for it and never have to worry about covering the recurring cost no matter what unforeseen circumstances the future may bring.

My other backup storage is on once-off lifetime deals so that I never have to worry about renewal failing due to an expired card or anything else, even if I'm in a coma after being hit by a truck.

I mean, "lifetime" deals fall apart all the time, so I don't really count on that meaning much.

I obviously wouldn't trust the longevity of lifetime deals from most companies.

Actually surprised my Internxt 1TB has made it 4 years already. It's been idling great.

Namecrane on the other hand I trust for lifetime storage and email, since Fran has a great track record over the past 15 years. He's also been open about their solid business strategy to make those lifetime packages self-sustainable.

Well Internxt promised a lot of things like WebDAV when they sold on here, and now they're not letting those of us who bought use it now that they finally got things done years after the fact. As far as it being a dumb bucket of storage though, yeah, it's been that.

Rabisu · March 25

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