What do you think needs to be done to bring RAM prices back to sanity?

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• OpaqueRegistrant Member

  February 21 edited February 21

  @ralf said:

  @OpaqueRegistrant said:

  @machinetto said:
  Nand makers need a "No Cash, No Chips" policy to prevent AI CEOs from overbooking supply to stifle competition and by proxy choking the entire consumer PC/electronics industry.

  It could still go like that. They won't be shelving all their half-finished chips in a warehouse - they'll still be making the chips but stockpiling them for OpenAI. When OpenAI doesn't pay because they're broke, those chips will go on the general market and prices will return to normal.

  We might find that enterprise hardware is cheaper than consumer for a bit. But there's nothing special about enterprise hardware. It's still just hardware, and you can game on a pre-owned rack server if you want to.

  Only if you have really good noise cancelling headphones.

  Nothing stops you from replacing the cooling system. If it's not actually in a rack, then you have leeway to remove the top case and install a normal cooler on the CPU. It might take a little duct tape and number 8 wire.
• rpqu Member

  February 21

  @ralf said:

  @OpaqueRegistrant said:

  @machinetto said:
  Nand makers need a "No Cash, No Chips" policy to prevent AI CEOs from overbooking supply to stifle competition and by proxy choking the entire consumer PC/electronics industry.

  It could still go like that. They won't be shelving all their half-finished chips in a warehouse - they'll still be making the chips but stockpiling them for OpenAI. When OpenAI doesn't pay because they're broke, those chips will go on the general market and prices will return to normal.

  We might find that enterprise hardware is cheaper than consumer for a bit. But there's nothing special about enterprise hardware. It's still just hardware, and you can game on a pre-owned rack server if you want to.

  Only if you have really good noise cancelling headphones.

  

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• Saragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

  February 21

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:
  We need to fight back. Is there some script to use on idling machines, by loading multiple AI platforms using lots of nonsensical requests? Such a project deployed on all idling machines would make corporations spend some money. Even though investors will be saved by governments, at least this load might help for this AI bubble to end.

  https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/

  I don't know if loading it with garbage is the solution. I am thinking of many people having idlers. Using those idlers to generate AI requests, might make corporations lose more money on AI.

  Loading it with garbage burns through their money by wasting training time.

  Then a solution could be a combination between the 2. Have some site generate random nonsensical text using AI every hour, afterwards have multiple idlers use AI to interrogate that website with random garbage questions.

  Don't overcomplicate it. Just feed LET to it. Problem solved.
• default Veteran

  February 22 edited February 22

  @Saragoldfarb said:

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:
  We need to fight back. Is there some script to use on idling machines, by loading multiple AI platforms using lots of nonsensical requests? Such a project deployed on all idling machines would make corporations spend some money. Even though investors will be saved by governments, at least this load might help for this AI bubble to end.

  https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/

  I don't know if loading it with garbage is the solution. I am thinking of many people having idlers. Using those idlers to generate AI requests, might make corporations lose more money on AI.

  Loading it with garbage burns through their money by wasting training time.

  Then a solution could be a combination between the 2. Have some site generate random nonsensical text using AI every hour, afterwards have multiple idlers use AI to interrogate that website with random garbage questions.

  Don't overcomplicate it. Just feed LET to it. Problem solved.

  Our admin is already feeding his AI with LET. Meanwhile there are members who would want to use their own AI on LET when posting, thereby feeding AI of our admin with AI of LET members. And you assume I overcomplicate it?!
• noisycode Member

  February 22

  We just need more manufacturers.
• bozolover99 Member

  February 22

  I use AI as my expert coding assistant, I'm can now do things 5-10x faster, the world is speeding up....
• forest Member

  February 22 edited February 22

  @bozolover99 said:
  I use AI as my expert coding assistant, I'm can now do things 5-10x faster, the world is speeding up....

  You know what's funny? Studies show that people who use AI as coding assistants feel like they are more productive, when their productivity is actually lower than those who avoid AI.

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• Saragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

  February 22

  @default said:

  @Saragoldfarb said:

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:

  @forest said:

  @default said:
  We need to fight back. Is there some script to use on idling machines, by loading multiple AI platforms using lots of nonsensical requests? Such a project deployed on all idling machines would make corporations spend some money. Even though investors will be saved by governments, at least this load might help for this AI bubble to end.

  https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/

  I don't know if loading it with garbage is the solution. I am thinking of many people having idlers. Using those idlers to generate AI requests, might make corporations lose more money on AI.

  Loading it with garbage burns through their money by wasting training time.

  Then a solution could be a combination between the 2. Have some site generate random nonsensical text using AI every hour, afterwards have multiple idlers use AI to interrogate that website with random garbage questions.

  Don't overcomplicate it. Just feed LET to it. Problem solved.

  Our admin is already feeding his AI with LET. Meanwhile there are members who would want to use their own AI on LET when posting, thereby feeding AI of our admin with AI of LET members. And you assume I overcomplicate it?!

  Lol.... Guess this could get messy
• ralf Member

  February 22 edited February 22

  https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10679206

  "China’s cut-rate DRAM tests Samsung, SK in HBM4 race"

  According to industry sources on Friday, China’s top DRAM manufacturer CXMT has been offering older-generation DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate. The move comes as global supply shortages have driven prices sharply higher, allowing the company to aggressively push legacy products for mobile devices and PCs in a bid to boost market share.
• TimboJones Member

  February 23

  @forest said:

  @bozolover99 said:
  I use AI as my expert coding assistant, I'm can now do things 5-10x faster, the world is speeding up....

  You know what's funny? Studies show that people who use AI as coding assistants feel like they are more productive, when their productivity is actually lower than those who avoid AI.

  What studies are those?
• TimboJones Member

  February 23

  @ralf said:
  https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10679206

  "China’s cut-rate DRAM tests Samsung, SK in HBM4 race"

  According to industry sources on Friday, China’s top DRAM manufacturer CXMT has been offering older-generation DDR4 chips at about half the prevailing market rate. The move comes as global supply shortages have driven prices sharply higher, allowing the company to aggressively push legacy products for mobile devices and PCs in a bid to boost market share.

  Uh oh. War on Taiwan funded.
• forest Member

  February 23

  @TimboJones said:

  @forest said:

  @bozolover99 said:
  I use AI as my expert coding assistant, I'm can now do things 5-10x faster, the world is speeding up....

  You know what's funny? Studies show that people who use AI as coding assistants feel like they are more productive, when their productivity is actually lower than those who avoid AI.

  What studies are those?

  DOI:10.48550/arXiv.2507.09089

  After completing the study, developers estimate that allowing AI reduced completion time by 20%. Surprisingly, we find that allowing AI actually increases completion time by 19%

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• bozolover99 Member

  February 23 edited February 23

  We'll I don't use to to code the whole project, just pieces as I'm old school (80s on coder) and prefer to do the initial coding. It is great to see how it would attack certain solutions, so I like to bounce ideas off of Claude (opus 4.6) and when it misses a little I correct it and it thanks me for the idea, so it's a back and forth. You definity need to know how to code to ask it the correct questions/prompts, else you will get a mess back and it won't work. Like to keep certain variables, don't rename certain ones and general scope. If you have no clue how to code your debug could take a long time. Tried google gemini 3 pro and while it's coding is very formal it is not creative and makes more mistakes, sort of an idiot coder. Oh and its saves me from looking/searching for solutions on coding sites/forums. Not sure how they are going to be around any more with no traffic.
• OpaqueRegistrant Member

  February 23 edited February 23

  @TimboJones said:

  Uh oh. War on Taiwan funded.

  It's a sad truth: there is nothing you can do to prevent evil powerful people from hurting everybody around them. Taiwan will be invaded, millions of people will die, and the only question is when. And how many millions.
• Beanzy Member

  March 10

  For your reference