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WARNING: CloudCone Data Loss Incident - No Accountability, No Compensation

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  • @Kodomu said:
    Any host could suffer this sort of thing, even if their node wasn't hacked they could suffer cascading drive failures that kill a raid array, at low end prices it's just unrealistic to think providers are willing to provide a big compensation payout for an issue like this, pretty much no host is going to accept liability for your data unless you're paying $$$

    Please consider backups next time, ideally the 3-2-1 method :)

    :'( ur right,bro....

    Thanked by 1Kodomu
  • KodomuKodomu Member
    edited February 1

    @pendy100 said:
    No, no, no, I don't care about compensation or anything like that. I'm just angry about their attitude towards me. That's why I'm asking for compensation: "After all, you were so rude to me, you didn't even apologize, so why should I be understanding?" Demanding compensation is just to show my attitude: I'm not someone to mess with, don't act all high and mighty. This is what they owe their users. Actually, I don't expect any compensation at all, I'm just annoyed by their attitude. :/

    I'm sure they have been absolutely swamped with tickets, I'd be pleased that they're at least giving you a response that's telling you what is up, instead of leaving you completely in the dark.

    How much was your service's monthly fee? That's pretty much the most you can expect to get back, in fact, it would be similar under our own SLA policies too. I'm just thankful that we're using a completely different software stack to all these companies that are getting hacked recently because as a host this is the last thing I'd want to wake up to deal with.

  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

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    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    Thanked by 1AlteredParadox
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

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    zh:

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    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

  • remyremy Member

    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @Kodomu said:

    @pendy100 said:
    No, no, no, I don't care about compensation or anything like that. I'm just angry about their attitude towards me. That's why I'm asking for compensation: "After all, you were so rude to me, you didn't even apologize, so why should I be understanding?" Demanding compensation is just to show my attitude: I'm not someone to mess with, don't act all high and mighty. This is what they owe their users. Actually, I don't expect any compensation at all, I'm just annoyed by their attitude. :/

    I'm sure they have been absolutely swamped with tickets, I'd be pleased that they're at least giving you a response that's telling you what is up, instead of leaving you completely in the dark.

    How much was your service's monthly fee? That's pretty much the most you can expect to get back, in fact, it would be similar under our own SLA policies too. I'm just thankful that we're using a completely different software stack to all these companies that are getting hacked recently because as a host this is the last thing I'd want to wake up to deal with.

    Yes, many times all we really need is a sincere apology. After all, rationally speaking, we can understand and sympathize with being hacked... Haha... It's all their damn PR team's fault for not doing their job.

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @remy said:
    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    = shit broke, hope you have a second copy.

    Asking for a friend.

    Thanked by 1Kodomu
  • @pendy100 said:
    Yes, many times all we really need is a sincere apology. After all, rationally speaking, we can understand and sympathize with being hacked... Haha... It's all their damn PR team's fault for not doing their job.

    I'm sure it's coming, they're probably still dealing with the aftermath. Remember that us hosts are only human and only have so much time to go around.

    A personalised apology for issues is probably off the cards for low end pricing, though it's not unheard of at the mid to higher end, especially in my country.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

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  • remyremy Member

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:
    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    = shit broke, hope you have a second copy.

    Asking for a friend.

    I mean, with 25 VMs doing nothing, not having a ridiculous number of copies would be the real disaster.
    Wait… ?

    Thanked by 2host_c brauni
  • @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

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    zh:

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    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

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  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    Thanked by 2emgh forest
  • @Kodomu said:

    @pendy100 said:
    Yes, many times all we really need is a sincere apology. After all, rationally speaking, we can understand and sympathize with being hacked... Haha... It's all their damn PR team's fault for not doing their job.

    I'm sure it's coming, they're probably still dealing with the aftermath. Remember that us hosts are only human and only have so much time to go around.

    A personalised apology for issues is probably off the cards for low end pricing, though it's not unheard of at the mid to higher end, especially in my country.

    ya....ur right

    Thanked by 1Kodomu
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @Kodomu said:

    @pendy100 said:
    Yes, many times all we really need is a sincere apology. After all, rationally speaking, we can understand and sympathize with being hacked... Haha... It's all their damn PR team's fault for not doing their job.

    I'm sure it's coming, they're probably still dealing with the aftermath. Remember that us hosts are only human and only have so much time to go around.

    A personalised apology for issues is probably off the cards for low end pricing, though it's not unheard of at the mid to higher end, especially in my country.

    No offense to any provider.

    We all know when we have a problem, we all had a few.

    That said, issuing a simple “something broke, we’re assessing the situation” message is pretty much best practice at this point. It doesn’t matter if you’re running one server in a basement or operating in 23 locations worldwide.

    The technical issue may take time to fix, but communication costs nothing.

    That skill usually comes with age and experience, I presume.

    Thanked by 2Kodomu WyvernCo
  • @oloke said:

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    :'( I wish I could have seen it ...

    Thanked by 2oloke host_c
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @remy said:

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:
    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    = shit broke, hope you have a second copy.

    Asking for a friend.

    I mean, with 25 VMs doing nothing, not having a ridiculous number of copies would be the real disaster.
    Wait… ?

    Bro, 25, nice, respect :+1:

    Any of them doing at least backup of important "lady with few clothes".link ???

    Same, asking for a friend. :D

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @oloke said: I already have a backup on RAID 0

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @host_c said:

    @Kodomu said:

    @pendy100 said:
    Yes, many times all we really need is a sincere apology. After all, rationally speaking, we can understand and sympathize with being hacked... Haha... It's all their damn PR team's fault for not doing their job.

    I'm sure it's coming, they're probably still dealing with the aftermath. Remember that us hosts are only human and only have so much time to go around.

    A personalised apology for issues is probably off the cards for low end pricing, though it's not unheard of at the mid to higher end, especially in my country.

    No offense to any provider.

    We all know when we have a problem, we all had a few.

    That said, issuing a simple “something broke, we’re assessing the situation” message is pretty much best practice at this point. It doesn’t matter if you’re running one server in a basement or operating in 23 locations worldwide.

    The technical issue may take time to fix, but communication costs nothing.

    That skill usually comes with age and experience, I presume.

    Yes, I completely agree with what you said. Actually, any problem can be solved through communication and a solution that satisfies everyone; it's not a big deal. Many things, once discussed, will turn out quite well. They clearly don't understand this, and refusing to communicate is often the worst possible solution.

  • @host_c said:
    No offense to any provider.

    We all know when we have a problem, we all had a few.

    That said, issuing a simple “something broke, we’re assessing the situation” message is pretty much best practice at this point. It doesn’t matter if you’re running one server in a basement or operating in 23 locations worldwide.

    The technical issue may take time to fix, but communication costs nothing.

    That skill usually comes with age and experience, I presume.

    Absolutely, I'd be completely lying if I said that there has never been a problem with what I operate, every host has had troubles of some sort. I am however extremely grateful that the issues I have had were nowhere near this severe, I would wish it on nobody, this kind of thing can kill even a decent size company.

    Sounds like CloudCone issued a similar statement in the tickets to OP.

    I wish them well, hopefully they're able to recover from this.

    Thanked by 1host_c
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  • remyremy Member
    edited February 1

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:
    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    = shit broke, hope you have a second copy.

    Asking for a friend.

    I mean, with 25 VMs doing nothing, not having a ridiculous number of copies would be the real disaster.
    Wait… ?

    Bro, 25, nice, respect :+1:

    Any of them doing at least backup of important "lady with few clothes".link ???

    Same, asking for a friend. :D

    I wish i had backups that hot…
    turns out it's just 25 copies of my emails.

    my life is boring.

  • olokeoloke Member, Host Rep

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    :'( I wish I could have seen it ...

    Man, just do back-ups next time. It would've saved you a lot of trouble.

    As for what you have stored over 4 years, I think you should be able to recover some stuff. You probably have some of the code stored in other locations, either git repositories locally. Maybe some repositories were also deployed on other servers and you could get the code from there?

    Wish you can recover as much as possible. Just sit for a moment think where you could've stored it. I don't think I will be gone.

    Thanked by 1JohnnySac
  • @oloke said:

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    :'( I wish I could have seen it ...

    Man, just do back-ups next time. It would've saved you a lot of trouble.

    As for what you have stored over 4 years, I think you should be able to recover some stuff. You probably have some of the code stored in other locations, either git repositories locally. Maybe some repositories were also deployed on other servers and you could get the code from there?

    Wish you can recover as much as possible. Just sit for a moment think where you could've stored it. I don't think I will be gone.

    Yes, I have backups of the code from the last two years. But the older code is completely lost. That's why I'm angry at their indifferent attitude. If the code from the last two years were also lost, I think I would find a quiet corner and cry my heart out right now. :D

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @remy said:

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:

    @host_c said:

    @remy said:
    "We recommend to activate your Disaster Recovery Plan"

    = shit broke, hope you have a second copy.

    Asking for a friend.

    I mean, with 25 VMs doing nothing, not having a ridiculous number of copies would be the real disaster.
    Wait… ?

    Bro, 25, nice, respect :+1:

    Any of them doing at least backup of important "lady with few clothes".link ???

    Same, asking for a friend. :D

    I wish i had backups that hot…
    turns out it's just 25 copies of my emails.

    my life is boring.

    Hmmmm, I bet there is something important in those e-mails.

    Nobody backs up mails to 25 locations, unless there is something important there.

    Maybe some BTC wallet address holding 1000 Credits?

    Just messing around here :D :D .... 500 Credits?

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    :'( I wish I could have seen it ...

    Man, just do back-ups next time. It would've saved you a lot of trouble.

    As for what you have stored over 4 years, I think you should be able to recover some stuff. You probably have some of the code stored in other locations, either git repositories locally. Maybe some repositories were also deployed on other servers and you could get the code from there?

    Wish you can recover as much as possible. Just sit for a moment think where you could've stored it. I don't think I will be gone.

    Yes, I have backups of the code from the last two years. But the older code is completely lost. That's why I'm angry at their indifferent attitude. If the code from the last two years were also lost, I think I would find a quiet corner and cry my heart out right now. :D

    Whatever works man, just no physical damage to stuff and living stuff :D

    Or, option B is to troll around here until you feel better.

    Whatever works :+1:

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @host_c said:

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @pendy100 said:

    @oloke said:

    @host_c said:

    @oloke said:
    Wow, a whole dedicated thread to one not reading the ToS you agreed to.

    image

    zh:

    image

    No email, no notification, nothing.

    However you raise a important point here. I hope @Cloudcone will inform the customers about the incident via official channels ASAP. So far they seem to have only acknowledged it via tickets and here on LET.

    @yoshiki said:

    @host_c said:
    Either CloudCone is in bigger hole then we know of, or their PR department needs a nudge on the head.

    I'm speaking out of my ass right now and ignoring what reputation MJJs might have, CloudCone was getting really bad reviews during the week on NS (and incidentally, a user made a post on Nodeseek the day before the hack urging people to migrate to better services as they suspected they might make a run with the customer's money). I don't think there's a PR department.

    Right, too bad users did not actually backup their data as the OP in the thread in question advertised. (tbh this part could've been edited later)
    In any case, not having backups of important stuff is just silly, no matter what the reputation of the provider is.

    This post requires registered users to view 😭

    This was posted shortly before the CC hack incident, later edited - not sure what was added. Possibly a wild coincidence given that some people don't like CloudCone for various reasons.

    I already have a backup on RAID 0

    :'( I wish I could have seen it ...

    Man, just do back-ups next time. It would've saved you a lot of trouble.

    As for what you have stored over 4 years, I think you should be able to recover some stuff. You probably have some of the code stored in other locations, either git repositories locally. Maybe some repositories were also deployed on other servers and you could get the code from there?

    Wish you can recover as much as possible. Just sit for a moment think where you could've stored it. I don't think I will be gone.

    Yes, I have backups of the code from the last two years. But the older code is completely lost. That's why I'm angry at their indifferent attitude. If the code from the last two years were also lost, I think I would find a quiet corner and cry my heart out right now. :D

    Whatever works man, just no physical damage to stuff and living stuff :D

    Or, option B is to troll around here until you feel better.

    Whatever works :+1:

    thanks bro

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad
    edited February 1

    I highly recommend option B

    It is fun.

    Disclaimer: that does not save you ass being roasted at some point, so don't take shit personally.

    Cheers!

  • ralfralf Member

    @pendy100 said:
    Just like several years ago, when a fire broke out in Krypt's data center. One of my physical servers was in that data center. They immediately sent emails to users informing them of the incident. They also consistently apologized in support tickets and provided real-time updates on their processing progress. This was great; at least we could see that they valued their users.

    Did those apologies get your data back?

    If not, why haven't you learned to backup your data since then?

  • also if you already learn to backup your data (not enough people have said that!)
    also do not backup your data on the same provider service.
    internal provider backup is also not backup - it can be used as a snapshot or something, but it's not a backup.

    TL;DR: Anything that you can try to blame someone else is not a backup.

    Thanked by 1WyvernCo
  • @host_c said:

    @pendy100 said:

    @host_c said:
    While I am sorry for your loss, may I be the first to ask where are your backups ?

    Especially if you write or work on your own code.

    A 128 GB USB drive is very cheap today.

    Yes, I have some backups of my code locally. However, some code from several years ago wasn't backed up locally due to changing computers. This makes me angry, but it hasn't made me lose my temper; otherwise, I would have sued them directly instead of warning everyone here.

    If it makes you fell better I am pissed each time I accidentally delete a file from my downloads folder, and for that I do not have any backups :D hmm, I should get a VPS from a storage provider and do some rclone for that, fellas , any deals you know of?, 7$ is the bare limit I can go for. :D :D :D

    any cloudcone refugee backup deals? lol

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