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  • MurvMurv Member, Megathread Squad

    @jsg said: None. I don't care about anime.

    Yeah... I could tell...

    Thanked by 3mans_xd oloke emgh
  • @jsg said:

    @Murv said:
    @jsg what's your favorite anime

    None. I don't care about anime.

    That's too harsh, take it back

    Thanked by 2emgh Murv
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    Thanked by 2oloke emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

    I suppose that is progress.

    Thanked by 3emgh oloke lukast__
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

    I suppose that is progress.

    can’t be too radical with these things you never know what may happen

    Thanked by 2tentor Mumbly
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

    I suppose that is progress.

    can’t be too radical with these things you never know what may happen

    I am just thankful for the compromise.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

    I suppose that is progress.

    can’t be too radical with these things you never know what may happen

    Prepare for unforeseen consequences

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @emgh said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    sorry that my gang now marauds in your threat

    No worries, but can we do a little less marauding?

    ok me and my gang will maraud only on weekends

    I suppose that is progress.

    can’t be too radical with these things you never know what may happen

    I am just thankful for the compromise.

    Me too. Thanks for being willing to meet in the middle in regards to the marauding.

    Thanked by 3tentor oloke lukast__
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    Almost 7500 benchmarks on ServerVerify now. Pretty cool to see the site getting used and, hopefully, being useful.

    Thanked by 2oloke navneetkk
  • @jbiloh said:
    Almost 7500 benchmarks on ServerVerify now. Pretty cool to see the site getting used and, hopefully, being useful.

    jbiloh, can you please provide complete sqlite or data behind your website if possible.

    Some of the data seems to be locked in ways that I dont appreciate because of some constraints. Example being the insights page

    Your price insights show that the cheapest dedicated is around a $ or something but there is no indication how/ what company it is

    There are many many such issues which genuinely troubled me so much so that I am thinking of scraping the website to convert it into sqlite or atleast archiving it on the web archive and then scraping it from there perhaps

    vpspricetracker suffers from this too where vpspricetracker says that its got 16000vps or something but you just dont see the list and its just sad

    Please provide a sqlite or minute database even json files so that we enthusiasts can play with it

    I ended up creating a scrape of all headlines in lowendtalk and then passing it to an LLM to find out a list of all providers (sort of) but it has its own issues.

    I am willing to share my own list here as well if you wish.

    I have my list of 367 cloud providers probably more from the start of lowendtalk to the end but I guess some of these may be dead.

    Thanked by 1paco
  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @whynotlearn said:

    @jbiloh said:
    Almost 7500 benchmarks on ServerVerify now. Pretty cool to see the site getting used and, hopefully, being useful.

    jbiloh, can you please provide complete sqlite or data behind your website if possible.

    Some of the data seems to be locked in ways that I dont appreciate because of some constraints. Example being the insights page

    Your price insights show that the cheapest dedicated is around a $ or something but there is no indication how/ what company it is

    There are many many such issues which genuinely troubled me so much so that I am thinking of scraping the website to convert it into sqlite or atleast archiving it on the web archive and then scraping it from there perhaps

    vpspricetracker suffers from this too where vpspricetracker says that its got 16000vps or something but you just dont see the list and its just sad

    Please provide a sqlite or minute database even json files so that we enthusiasts can play with it

    I ended up creating a scrape of all headlines in lowendtalk and then passing it to an LLM to find out a list of all providers (sort of) but it has its own issues.

    I am willing to share my own list here as well if you wish.

    I have my list of 367 cloud providers probably more from the start of lowendtalk to the end but I guess some of these may be dead.

    Thanks for the input, we will review and consider.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    We are actively working on expanding ServerVerify and would love any further direct community input.

    If there are features, data points, or tools you think would make ServerVerify more useful when evaluating hosts, infrastructure, performance, or value, please share them here. This can be anything from small quality of life improvements to bigger ideas.

    Many of the features already on the platform came directly from community feedback, and that will continue to be the case going forward.

    Including an easy link for people to click -> https://serververify.com

  • @jbiloh said:
    We are actively working on expanding ServerVerify and would love any further direct community input.

    If there are features, data points, or tools you think would make ServerVerify more useful when evaluating hosts, infrastructure, performance, or value, please share them here. This can be anything from small quality of life improvements to bigger ideas.

    Many of the features already on the platform came directly from community feedback, and that will continue to be the case going forward.

    Including an easy link for people to click -> https://serververify.com

    @jbiloh said:

    @whynotlearn said:

    @jbiloh said:
    Almost 7500 benchmarks on ServerVerify now. Pretty cool to see the site getting used and, hopefully, being useful.

    jbiloh, can you please provide complete sqlite or data behind your website if possible.

    Some of the data seems to be locked in ways that I dont appreciate because of some constraints. Example being the insights page

    Your price insights show that the cheapest dedicated is around a $ or something but there is no indication how/ what company it is

    There are many many such issues which genuinely troubled me so much so that I am thinking of scraping the website to convert it into sqlite or atleast archiving it on the web archive and then scraping it from there perhaps

    vpspricetracker suffers from this too where vpspricetracker says that its got 16000vps or something but you just dont see the list and its just sad

    Please provide a sqlite or minute database even json files so that we enthusiasts can play with it

    I ended up creating a scrape of all headlines in lowendtalk and then passing it to an LLM to find out a list of all providers (sort of) but it has its own issues.

    I am willing to share my own list here as well if you wish.

    I have my list of 367 cloud providers probably more from the start of lowendtalk to the end but I guess some of these may be dead.

    Thanks for the input, we will review and consider.

    Oh jbiloh actually I ended up scraping serververify results using a custom tampermonkey script I made with claude and then did some cost analysis.

    It wasn't that hard.

    https://gist.github.com/SerJaimeLannister/e5ed97580bffb4362b551170613007cb

    I have the data file as well and I am willing to share it to the public as well but I ended up just using it to find the best costs analysis

    Oh for what its worth, a lot of the deals iirc were actually kind of canceled or increased in price so the pricing page isn't the most accurate on serververify

    Thanked by 1default
  • ozontiozonti Member, Patron Provider

    It would be a good option to have the providers listed alphabetically from A to Z so that each user can easily find the exact provider, or to classify them by the area where they offer their services

    1

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • there should be the url to buy the exact package that being benchmarked

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @ozonti said:
    It would be a good option to have the providers listed alphabetically from A to Z so that each user can easily find the exact provider, or to classify them by the area where they offer their services

    1

    Nice suggestion, will look at this.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @jangkrikboz said:
    there should be the url to buy the exact package that being benchmarked

    Right now we ask hosting providers to submit services with buy now links to their provider profile.

    For users submitting benchmarks we ask the users to submit price and whether they would recommend the service or not. I don't see why we couldn't also ask for the signup URL for the package they are benchmarking. Will consider this for sure.

  • techdragontechdragon Member
    edited January 27

    @jbiloh said:

    @Alyx said:

    @jsg said:
    Maybe it's even good that what I call emgh's gang now marauds in @jbiloh's threat. It may be helpful for him to recognize a serious problem our community is plagued by ...

    Eh.. considering the fact that he allows a bunch chronically online basement goblins to make a lot of conversations here rather toxic for a long while now, I don't believe he really cares.

    But yes, I totally agree that some users here are somewhat of a plague.

    I care deeply about LowEndTalk. That is why I spend so much time here keeping this place going.

    I welcome any and all feedback.

    Are you sure it isn't the case that things are so financially unviable that affiliate income may be the only thing that keeps this forum going? (in regards to being self sufficient).

  • @jbiloh said:
    We are actively working on expanding ServerVerify and would love any further direct community input.

    If there are features, data points, or tools you think would make ServerVerify more useful when evaluating hosts, infrastructure, performance, or value, please share them here. This can be anything from small quality of life improvements to bigger ideas.

    Many of the features already on the platform came directly from community feedback, and that will continue to be the case going forward.

    Including an easy link for people to click -> https://serververify.com

    I could help you build it if you want.

    Some things I miss / you should add in my view:

    • Hosting provider comparison (A vs B vs C)
    • Parametric filtering based on server/node characteristics, don't take it the wrong way but your search is suboptimal (making people want to get the data to run a secondary analysis - shouldn't be necessary)
    • LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"
  • Just comming to mind, but think its not possible, to list used panels from every host. Ex: WHMCS Blesta Virtualizor Virtfusion and so on. Think its a risk.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @ravenof7 said:

    @jbiloh said:
    We are actively working on expanding ServerVerify and would love any further direct community input.

    If there are features, data points, or tools you think would make ServerVerify more useful when evaluating hosts, infrastructure, performance, or value, please share them here. This can be anything from small quality of life improvements to bigger ideas.

    Many of the features already on the platform came directly from community feedback, and that will continue to be the case going forward.

    Including an easy link for people to click -> https://serververify.com

    I could help you build it if you want.

    Some things I miss / you should add in my view:

    • Hosting provider comparison (A vs B vs C)
    • Parametric filtering based on server/node characteristics, don't take it the wrong way but your search is suboptimal (making people want to get the data to run a secondary analysis - shouldn't be necessary)
    • LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Great ideas, will work on this. Thank you!

  • @ravenof7 said: LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Oh god no. Why do you need such a search to be LLM-powered? Why not just use a regular search? Is it really that important to use natural language rather than just searching by selecting your desired core count, price range, etc?

    Thanked by 2jsg BasToTheMax
  • forestforest Member
    edited February 2

    @default said:

    @Levi said:
    Just license your review with CC-BY-ND. This effectively forbids copy and modification of your text. This will allow to Dmca your reviews in case of blatant copy and shameless profiteering.

    Great idea.

    I hereby licence all my content from LET (including but not limited to reviews, benchmarks, threads and comments) with CC-BY-ND to not be used on any other platforms (including ServerVerify) without attribution given to the me as creator.

    Sorry @jbiloh - I do not wish to contribute to ServerVerify in any way, shape or form. This is my choice.

    Unfortunately, by signing up to LET, you've relinquished that choice under https://lowendbox.com/privacy-policy/ § 3.1:

    • “User Content” includes posts, reviews, benchmarks, offers, comments, media uploads, or any other submission.
    • By submitting User Content, you grant WNY IT Services Inc. a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, aggregate, publish, translate, distribute, and display such content across all components of the Platform, as well as in promotional or derivative works.
    • You retain copyright in your original work but grant us broad rights for reuse.

    Emphasis mine. So while you do retain copyright, you can't arbitrarily choose the license to restrict its use.

    I know this was already pointed out by others, so what is the point of using such a signature in this case?

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @forest said:

    @ravenof7 said: LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Oh god no. Why do you need such a search to be LLM-powered? Why not just use a regular search? Is it really that important to use natural language rather than just searching by selecting your desired core count, price range, etc?

    FULL ACK! Keep AI crap out!

    Thanked by 1forest
  • @jsg said:

    @forest said:

    @ravenof7 said: LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Oh god no. Why do you need such a search to be LLM-powered? Why not just use a regular search? Is it really that important to use natural language rather than just searching by selecting your desired core count, price range, etc?

    FULL ACK! Keep AI crap out!

    Point taken, it's hard to get that right. Agree with @forest this should not be first focus, and probably more aimed at a Joe and Jane type of end-user audience who don't deal with servers :smile:

    My point was more that the search can be much improved to ensure the user can find what they're looking for - preferably with dedicated filter sections on the side by core count, cpu type, ram, price range filter etc. etc. It's quite hard to make that performant but there are dedicated solutions that can really help and basically build-up an in-memory index of the relevant characteristics (i.e. apache solr/elastic/meilisearch/algolia)

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @ravenof7 said:

    @jsg said:

    @forest said:

    @ravenof7 said: LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Oh god no. Why do you need such a search to be LLM-powered? Why not just use a regular search? Is it really that important to use natural language rather than just searching by selecting your desired core count, price range, etc?

    FULL ACK! Keep AI crap out!

    Point taken, it's hard to get that right. Agree with @forest this should not be first focus, and probably more aimed at a Joe and Jane type of end-user audience who don't deal with servers :smile:

    My point was more that the search can be much improved to ensure the user can find what they're looking for - preferably with dedicated filter sections on the side by core count, cpu type, ram, price range filter etc. etc. It's quite hard to make that performant but there are dedicated solutions that can really help and basically build-up an in-memory index of the relevant characteristics (i.e. apache solr/elastic/meilisearch/algolia)

    (a) AI improves nothing
    (b) I already coded functionality like you describe decades ago.
    ((c) It doesn't need to be particularly performant and in-memory indices aren't exactly new, complicated, or bleeding edge))

    Thanked by 1forest
  • @jsg said:

    @ravenof7 said:

    @jsg said:

    @forest said:

    @ravenof7 said: LLM powered search: "I want a 8 vcpu node sub 200 per year from a provider that supports BGP"

    Oh god no. Why do you need such a search to be LLM-powered? Why not just use a regular search? Is it really that important to use natural language rather than just searching by selecting your desired core count, price range, etc?

    FULL ACK! Keep AI crap out!

    Point taken, it's hard to get that right. Agree with @forest this should not be first focus, and probably more aimed at a Joe and Jane type of end-user audience who don't deal with servers :smile:

    My point was more that the search can be much improved to ensure the user can find what they're looking for - preferably with dedicated filter sections on the side by core count, cpu type, ram, price range filter etc. etc. It's quite hard to make that performant but there are dedicated solutions that can really help and basically build-up an in-memory index of the relevant characteristics (i.e. apache solr/elastic/meilisearch/algolia)

    (a) AI improves nothing
    (b) I already coded functionality like you describe decades ago.
    ((c) It doesn't need to be particularly performant and in-memory indices aren't exactly new, complicated, or bleeding edge))

    The site does not implement the 'decades ago' functionality yet. My point was it would be great to have that.

    Thanked by 1jsg
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