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Netcup launches Singapore location

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  • kaitkait Member

    @zeph said:
    Why is SGP traffic so expensive? Fiber are mostly free nowadays...

    Fiber is cheap, putting it in the ocean is not.

    Thanked by 54kvps itachikonoha Porlam tentor jolo22
  • 4kvps4kvps Barred
    edited December 2025

    @MallocVoidstar said:

    @4kvps said:
    Why can Oracle offer 10 TB of free bandwidth per month for their free VPS in Singapore?
    I'm currently using a free tier ARM VPS there as a VPN, and even though I only use around 10 GB per day for VPN traffic, 10 TB is truly excessive. But 10 TB is still a huge number, especially since it's a free VPS.

    Because they desperately want huge companies to use their cloud service, and huge cloud companies will spend very large amounts of money. They don't care about individual customers, we just get lucky and get to use a free tier.

    Oracle Cloud's site used to ask me to please upgrade to a paid plan, and I tried to do so just to see but the link had an error. I contacted support in multiple ways and they didn't give a shit, they wouldn't help me give Oracle money because I am just one person, not a huge company.

    ha ha !

    @cdn99 said:
    Nobody should be surprised by the price there, APAC sucks because of the bandwidth cost.

    i check hostdzire, they have a package priced at 10 eur /month with 25TB BW.
    https://hostdzire.com/billing/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

    That's too cheap in SG. :)

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited December 2025

    @Tange said:

    @layer7 said:

    in the geographically in the middle between everyone in asia and not china.

    so the point is "in the middle" or "not china" ?

    Because it's in the middle between CN and EU. While JP is in between CN and US. So, minimal added latency and jurisdiction.

    i read on the news that China will build a huge data center in the Hainan island, rumors said this island will shutdown the GFW, i guess then, we will have dirty cheap servers there in a few years

    Hopefully it won't get saturated like HK 😂

  • noisycodenoisycode Member

    Alright boys, tag in. I'm out.

  • Protocol903Protocol903 Member

    @4kvps said: i check hostdzire, they have a package priced at 10 eur /month with 25TB BW.

    https://hostdzire.com/billing/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

    That's too cheap in SG.

    thats hosted on ancient hardware and resold from leaseweb. netcup has turin servers.

  • TangeTange Member

    @rpqu said:

    Hopefully it won't get saturated like HK 😂

    absolutely not like HK, it's a super big Singapore, they build this Hainan Free Trade Port to compete with Singapore

  • 4kvps4kvps Barred

    @Protocol903 said:

    @4kvps said: i check hostdzire, they have a package priced at 10 eur /month with 25TB BW.

    https://hostdzire.com/billing/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

    That's too cheap in SG.

    thats hosted on ancient hardware and resold from leaseweb. netcup has turin servers.

    Yes, I understand. Besides, Netcup's VPS is almost like a VDC , not shared CPU, so it's understandable that the price is much higher. But what I'm talking about is the bandwidth – their bandwidth is insanely generous.

  • pbxpbx Member

    @Tange said: so the point is "in the middle" or "not china" ?

    Not only. Close to Asia and Oceania & good routes to Europe.

  • noisycodenoisycode Member
    edited December 2025

    @pbx said: Not only. Close to Asia and Oceania & good routes to Europe.

    Imho, rather than saying the route to EU is good , it’s more accurate to say that every destination in the US/CA/EU has a similarly high latency, comparing with Tokyo.

    Thanked by 1pbx
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @Tange said:

    @rpqu said:

    Hopefully it won't get saturated like HK 😂

    absolutely not like HK, it's a super big Singapore, they build this Hainan Free Trade Port to compete with Singapore

    If everyone's big mother start using TGF-free Hainan vps, then it won't be enough. Just like hospital at January-February 2020.
    Although, I hope it could bring enough competition to depress price just like temu or shein did to clothing industry.

  • layer7layer7 Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @Tange said:

    @layer7 said:

    in the geographically in the middle between everyone in asia and not china.

    so the point is "in the middle" or "not china" ?

    i read on the news that China will build a huge data center in the Hainan island, rumors said this island will shutdown the GFW, i guess then, we will have dirty cheap servers there in a few years

    Hi,

    both.

    And it does actually not help if something is build where ever. China, USA, Russia probably all have law's that will insure that if what ever concerns national security, they will just do what ever they feel they need to do. It does not matter where or what was build.

    If the USA wants, they can enforce amazon/microsoft/google to shutdown every datacenter in europe, asia or on the moon - it does not matter. If they can justify it with national security and can base it on the patriots act, then any US company would not have, even they wanted it, a chance to do anything against that. And probably similar goes for colocation datacenters if they are in US hands... so working with this companies is and will always be connected with a risk. With the current US government you can see how far things can be stretched if its just decided to be stretched.

    And i assume that the situation with russia or china is similar. While i must admit i do not know this for sure.

  • TangeTange Member

    @rpqu said:

    Although, I hope it could bring enough competition to depress price just like temu or shein did to clothing industry.

    China can not build top hardwares at this moment, they are working on it, and China can not decide the bandwidth price, so, will have competition, but not like Temu and Shein

    @layer7 said:

    If the USA wants, they can enforce amazon/microsoft/google to shutdown every datacenter in europe, asia or on the moon - it does not matter. If they can justify it with national security and can base it on the patriots act, then any US company would not have, even they wanted it, a chance to do anything against that. And probably similar goes for colocation datacenters if they are in US hands... so working with this companies is and will always be connected with a risk. With the current US government you can see how far things can be stretched if its just decided to be stretched.

    And i assume that the situation with russia or china is similar. While i must admit i do not know this for sure.

    Theoretically, Singapore Gov. can do the same thing, even worse they may shut your server down by the order of other super power because Singapore is small and weak, sorry, no hard feelings

    so i see no difference, you have to follow some TOS/AUP , there is no 100% bullet-proof servers in the world

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    Unless the connectivity is like or even better than e.g. @onidel's that netcup deal isn't tasty. Plus only 2TB traffic volume? Thanks no!

    Thanked by 1riomartin
  • Protocol903Protocol903 Member

    @jsg said: deal isn't tasty

    What is Onidel's CPU?

  • AndruAndru Member

    YABS?

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Protocol903 said:

    @jsg said: deal isn't tasty

    What is Onidel's CPU?

    The VPS I tested a while ago had an EPYC 7713P.

    But that's not the point anyway, because highly likely customers in Singapore are mainly looking for good connectivity and 5+ TB traffic volume.

  • riomartinriomartin Member

    With just 2TB ...
    With high pricing
    must be high specs on Peering Points

    let the Looking Glass speaks..

  • riomartinriomartin Member
    edited December 2025

    @4kvps said:

    @MallocVoidstar said:

    @4kvps said:
    Why can Oracle offer 10 TB of free bandwidth per month for their free VPS in Singapore?
    I'm currently using a free tier ARM VPS there as a VPN, and even though I only use around 10 GB per day for VPN traffic, 10 TB is truly excessive. But 10 TB is still a huge number, especially since it's a free VPS.

    Because they desperately want huge companies to use their cloud service, and huge cloud companies will spend very large amounts of money. They don't care about individual customers, we just get lucky and get to use a free tier.

    Oracle Cloud's site used to ask me to please upgrade to a paid plan, and I tried to do so just to see but the link had an error. I contacted support in multiple ways and they didn't give a shit, they wouldn't help me give Oracle money because I am just one person, not a huge company.

    ha ha !

    @cdn99 said:
    Nobody should be surprised by the price there, APAC sucks because of the bandwidth cost.

    i check hostdzire, they have a package priced at 10 eur /month with 25TB BW.
    https://hostdzire.com/billing/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

    That's too cheap in SG. :)

    About HostDzire,

    Did you know they had limitations on tcp of each streams like this to EU or US

    Streams 1 = 6Mbps
    Streams 2 = 15-20Mbps
    Streams 3 = 50-100Mbps

    If you did not find this, that means you did not knew them yet
    I meant the quality of their cheap VPS

    Mostly your connection will hit 1 and 2, rather than 3

    :smiley:

  • 4kvps4kvps Barred
    edited December 2025

    @riomartin said:
    About HostDzire,

    Did you know they had limitations on tcp of each streams like this to EU or US

    Streams 1 = 6Mbps
    Streams 2 = 15-20Mbps
    Streams 3 = 50-100Mbps

    If you did not find this, that means you did not knew them yet
    I meant the quality of their cheap VPS

    Mostly your connection will hit 1 and 2, rather than 3

    :smiley:

    Yes, thank you. It's exactly today that I just found out they manage bandwidth so strictly. I also guessed that their VPS quality is low because with such selling prices, they definitely have to oversell a lot.

    Thanked by 1riomartin
  • riomartinriomartin Member

    About Netcup Singapore, just today, I found their LG. It seems their upstream is high quality one, 1299 and PCCW to Europe and 1299 for US. High and Premium one (y) That answered why price really matters a lot.

  • skimply153skimply153 Member

    @riomartin said:
    About Netcup Singapore, just today, I found their LG. It seems their upstream is high quality one, 1299 and PCCW to Europe and 1299 for US. High and Premium one (y) That answered why price really matters a lot.

    Do you have a link for their looking glass?
    Thanks

  • riomartinriomartin Member

    @skimply153 said:

    @riomartin said:
    About Netcup Singapore, just today, I found their LG. It seems their upstream is high quality one, 1299 and PCCW to Europe and 1299 for US. High and Premium one (y) That answered why price really matters a lot.

    Do you have a link for their looking glass?
    Thanks

    https://lg.anexia-it.com/lg/#node/singapore
    https://ping.pe/217.146.9.10

    Thanked by 1skimply153
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