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NAT VPS in exotic locations

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  • @shruub said:

    @anubhavhirani said:

    @shruub said:

    @anubhavhirani said:
    if ports are not needed, Mysterium VPN has every location you can think of.

    But you'd a) need their shitcoin and b) they probably don't have north korea (ofc op doesn't want that, but still)

    It is quite cheap considering the number of locations + residential IPs.

    I added like $8 a long time back and it has been working well.

    To me it only looks like they only have some monthly/yearly plans.

    https://www.mysteriumdark.com/downloads-dark

    Download from the link above and add Myst to your account.

    Discord: https://discord.gg/A7qQeRN9

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  • kvz12kvz12 Member

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited April 2024

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

    Yeah, if you see CPU steal, its going to affect latency too.
    Not to mention of a potential congested network or uplink.

    https://firstbyte.ru/ is cheaper, 75RUB and has been stable, no cpu steal of any kind.

  • kvz12kvz12 Member

    @Neoon said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

    Yeah, if you see CPU steal, its going to affect latency too.
    Not to mention of a potential congested network or uplink.

    https://firstbyte.ru/ is cheaper, 75RUB and has been stable, no cpu steal of any kind.

    Do you use them personally? Or just from other peoples experience?

  • zGatozGato Member
    edited April 2024

    @Neoon said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

    Yeah, if you see CPU steal, its going to affect latency too.
    Not to mention of a potential congested network or uplink.

    I have specifically 27 servers with them, all being used for proxying very latency sensitive stuff, not a single issue outside of planned maintenance or brief network outages. Their uptime status is also public: https://status.4vps.su

    You'll get better latency with a server in MSK/SPb, sure, Novosibirsk is basically all rerouted through Moscow.

    They're all prepaid for a whole year, a few of them for 2 years btw.

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @kvz12 said:

    @Neoon said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

    Yeah, if you see CPU steal, its going to affect latency too.
    Not to mention of a potential congested network or uplink.

    https://firstbyte.ru/ is cheaper, 75RUB and has been stable, no cpu steal of any kind.

    Do you use them personally? Or just from other peoples experience?

    I got a firstbyte.ru yes, for 0.75€ its a steal.

  • kvz12kvz12 Member

    @Neoon said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @Neoon said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:

    @Neoon said:
    JustHost is like C1V, CPU steal too the moon and beyond.
    If you don't buy the NVMe plan.

    HDD/Promo is oversold beyond repair.

    Same goes for 4VPS, Promo Package.
    I tried their VPS twice, oversold and barely usable.

    Will check out LandVPS though.

    He's going to run an Atlas probe, he doesn't need that much performance.
    I just run proxies on those promo servers and they run just fine.

    LandVPS is actually pretty good, good peering (lowest latency I've ever got from BCN to MSK), good servers overall.

    The performance can suck, but I don't want to end up overpaying for something that I could get better elsewhere. Latency is the thing that matters most. Looking into LandVPS now.

    Yeah, if you see CPU steal, its going to affect latency too.
    Not to mention of a potential congested network or uplink.

    https://firstbyte.ru/ is cheaper, 75RUB and has been stable, no cpu steal of any kind.

    Do you use them personally? Or just from other peoples experience?

    I got a firstbyte.ru yes, for 0.75€ its a steal.

    Looks like it's a bit more than that once they charge you card fees :(

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    @kvz12 said:
    Looks like it's a bit more than that once they charge you card fees :(

    Yea, sadly most of the direct ways to pay are a scam.
    JustHost charges for the same VPS 200 RUB, which would be 2€ however via USD you gonna pay easily 4$ if not more.

  • avsispavsisp Member, Patron Provider

    @zGato said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:
    Cheapest I can find for you in my personal list of recommendations.

    For Moscow/Novosibirsk, Russia 🇷🇺

    LandVPS available in Moscow, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: RU-0
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5)
    • RAM: 768MB
    • Storage: 10GB SSD
    • Network: 1 IPv4 & IPv6 available as a purchasable addon (free)
    • Bandwidth: 100Mbps (I guess unmetered, haven't had an issue for a couple of TB a month)

    For 90 RUB / month (~ 0.96 USD | 0.90€) (10% cheaper if paid yearly = 972 RUB) (
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    4VPS available in Novosibirsk, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: LP-cx01
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5-2696v3)
    • RAM: 1GB DDR3/4
    • Storage: 5GB NVMe
    • Network: 1 IPv4. IPv6 is unavailable
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 50Mbps

    For 80 RUB / month (~ 0.85 USD | 0.80€) (12% cheaper if paid yearly = 845 RUB)
    You can get a small discount if you purchase through any of my affiliated links:
    20% discount on first purchase.
    20% bonus on first balance top up.
    non-affiliated

    For (many locations but specifically what I'd consider "exotic") Hong Kong 🇭🇰, Finland 🇫🇮, Italy 🇮🇹, Latvia 🇱🇻, Poland 🇵🇱, Russia 🇷🇺, Spain 🇪🇸, Turkey 🇹🇷, United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪 and Ukraine 🇺🇦

    Just Hosting has:

    • Plan: VPS Promo
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 5GB HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, 1 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 10Mbps

    For 70 RUB / month (~ 1.16 USD | 1.08€)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    For Sofia, Bulgaria 🇧🇬

    AlphaVPS has:

    • Plan: 128G
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 128GB RAID 60 HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, /64 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: 500GB @ 1Gbps

    For 2€ / month (or 15€/year)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    This is all I can find for you within a reasonable range. They're all non-NAT so it's worth the price.
    If you're able to increase your budget to something like 25 USD/year then I can send some more good recommendations in some other countries too.

    Those all look pretty good, thanks for that. I'll check them out.

    As a side note, I noticed ByteVirt have a Cairo, Egypt location, but it says "Network In Falkenstein, Germany". Does this mean inbound is first routed through Germany, then to Cairo?

    https://bytevirt.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=3

    ByteVirt either uses Cloudflare WARP as outbound or very sketchy outbound addresses. I'm not sure how they do their Cloudflare WARP stuff but after digging I guess they announce from BuyVM Luxembourg their IPv6 addresses with spoofed Maxmind GeoIP data and use that to connect to those servers.
    I have a VPS with their outbound Egypt and it goes to a random residential IP in Orange Egypt (perhaps a hacked router? have no clue)
    And yes, you go from Germany to Egypt.

    After checking this from a friend's VM with them, I can tell you how they're doing it and what they're doing:
    1) Server is a cheap dedicated server at Hetzner (Germany) with HDD drives
    2) v6 is from the block given to them by Hetzner with the server. Hetzner gives a /64 usually I think if I remember correctly, so they have plenty of space to give each VM their own IPs from it
    3) The inbound SSH is just an iptables port forward from port x of host-node IP (Hetzner) to the local VM IP (in private range, NAT IPs)
    4) The outbound V4 is setup like this:
    a) They have a wireguard tunnel to a VM at Orange Egypt on host-node with "Table = off"
    b) They use IPtables to do "MASQUERADE" from the NAT IPs given to VMs to the remote side of the Wireguard tunnel to Egypt
    c) On the other side, MASQUERADE is also on, so connections go out appearing to be from the remote VMs IP.

    This can be confirmed by using "curl -4 ifconfig.me" and "curl -6 ifconfig.me" from inside a VM with them. The IP the v4 shows, you can then lookup and see that it's on Orange Egypt. Try to SSH to it and you get an SSH prompt, showing it's a VM there on that network.

    No WARP involved here.

    A few other notes:
    1) They are using iptables to do "MSS clamping" so TCP doesn't break, but the actual MTU is much lower. 1226 to 1.1.1.1 I'm showing, so it looks to be layered tunnels, even worse.
    2) They accidentally put 2 interfaces on there... both with IPv4, so sometimes it will choose the other "172.*" address one, which is actually outbound over normal hetzner.

    Proof of the tunnel is basic:
    traceroute to 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 _gateway (10.200.2.1) 0.156 ms 0.134 ms 0.087 ms
    2 10.20.209.122 (10.20.209.122) 73.447 ms 73.389 ms 73.344 ms
    - the 10.200.2.1 is the local range, NAT IPs on the Hetzner host-node

    • the 10.20.209.122 is the remote side of the Wireguard tunnel (the VM in Egypt, note the large high MS hop instantly after gateway of VM)

    All this to say - they are offering kind of what they say... It's a VPS with NAT outbound v4 from Egypt... Even if the setup is a bit janky and pretty much amounts to a VM with a VPN on it, which you could do yourself cheaper or even free...

  • @avsisp said:

    @zGato said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:
    Cheapest I can find for you in my personal list of recommendations.

    For Moscow/Novosibirsk, Russia 🇷🇺

    LandVPS available in Moscow, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: RU-0
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5)
    • RAM: 768MB
    • Storage: 10GB SSD
    • Network: 1 IPv4 & IPv6 available as a purchasable addon (free)
    • Bandwidth: 100Mbps (I guess unmetered, haven't had an issue for a couple of TB a month)

    For 90 RUB / month (~ 0.96 USD | 0.90€) (10% cheaper if paid yearly = 972 RUB) (
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    4VPS available in Novosibirsk, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: LP-cx01
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5-2696v3)
    • RAM: 1GB DDR3/4
    • Storage: 5GB NVMe
    • Network: 1 IPv4. IPv6 is unavailable
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 50Mbps

    For 80 RUB / month (~ 0.85 USD | 0.80€) (12% cheaper if paid yearly = 845 RUB)
    You can get a small discount if you purchase through any of my affiliated links:
    20% discount on first purchase.
    20% bonus on first balance top up.
    non-affiliated

    For (many locations but specifically what I'd consider "exotic") Hong Kong 🇭🇰, Finland 🇫🇮, Italy 🇮🇹, Latvia 🇱🇻, Poland 🇵🇱, Russia 🇷🇺, Spain 🇪🇸, Turkey 🇹🇷, United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪 and Ukraine 🇺🇦

    Just Hosting has:

    • Plan: VPS Promo
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 5GB HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, 1 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 10Mbps

    For 70 RUB / month (~ 1.16 USD | 1.08€)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    For Sofia, Bulgaria 🇧🇬

    AlphaVPS has:

    • Plan: 128G
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 128GB RAID 60 HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, /64 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: 500GB @ 1Gbps

    For 2€ / month (or 15€/year)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    This is all I can find for you within a reasonable range. They're all non-NAT so it's worth the price.
    If you're able to increase your budget to something like 25 USD/year then I can send some more good recommendations in some other countries too.

    Those all look pretty good, thanks for that. I'll check them out.

    As a side note, I noticed ByteVirt have a Cairo, Egypt location, but it says "Network In Falkenstein, Germany". Does this mean inbound is first routed through Germany, then to Cairo?

    https://bytevirt.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=3

    ByteVirt either uses Cloudflare WARP as outbound or very sketchy outbound addresses. I'm not sure how they do their Cloudflare WARP stuff but after digging I guess they announce from BuyVM Luxembourg their IPv6 addresses with spoofed Maxmind GeoIP data and use that to connect to those servers.
    I have a VPS with their outbound Egypt and it goes to a random residential IP in Orange Egypt (perhaps a hacked router? have no clue)
    And yes, you go from Germany to Egypt.

    You're quite late on this... They've stopped using WARP long time ago.

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  • avsispavsisp Member, Patron Provider

    @zGato said:

    @avsisp said:

    @zGato said:

    @kvz12 said:

    @zGato said:
    Cheapest I can find for you in my personal list of recommendations.

    For Moscow/Novosibirsk, Russia 🇷🇺

    LandVPS available in Moscow, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: RU-0
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5)
    • RAM: 768MB
    • Storage: 10GB SSD
    • Network: 1 IPv4 & IPv6 available as a purchasable addon (free)
    • Bandwidth: 100Mbps (I guess unmetered, haven't had an issue for a couple of TB a month)

    For 90 RUB / month (~ 0.96 USD | 0.90€) (10% cheaper if paid yearly = 972 RUB) (
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    4VPS available in Novosibirsk, 🇷🇺
    has:

    • Plan: LP-cx01
    • CPU: 1 core (Intel Xeon E5-2696v3)
    • RAM: 1GB DDR3/4
    • Storage: 5GB NVMe
    • Network: 1 IPv4. IPv6 is unavailable
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 50Mbps

    For 80 RUB / month (~ 0.85 USD | 0.80€) (12% cheaper if paid yearly = 845 RUB)
    You can get a small discount if you purchase through any of my affiliated links:
    20% discount on first purchase.
    20% bonus on first balance top up.
    non-affiliated

    For (many locations but specifically what I'd consider "exotic") Hong Kong 🇭🇰, Finland 🇫🇮, Italy 🇮🇹, Latvia 🇱🇻, Poland 🇵🇱, Russia 🇷🇺, Spain 🇪🇸, Turkey 🇹🇷, United Arab Emirates 🇦🇪 and Ukraine 🇺🇦

    Just Hosting has:

    • Plan: VPS Promo
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 5GB HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, 1 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: Unmetered bandwidth @ 10Mbps

    For 70 RUB / month (~ 1.16 USD | 1.08€)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    For Sofia, Bulgaria 🇧🇬

    AlphaVPS has:

    • Plan: 128G
    • CPU: 1 core
    • RAM: 512MB
    • Storage: 128GB RAID 60 HDD
    • Network: 1 IPv4, /64 IPv6
    • Bandwidth: 500GB @ 1Gbps

    For 2€ / month (or 15€/year)
    affiliated link | non-affiliated

    This is all I can find for you within a reasonable range. They're all non-NAT so it's worth the price.
    If you're able to increase your budget to something like 25 USD/year then I can send some more good recommendations in some other countries too.

    Those all look pretty good, thanks for that. I'll check them out.

    As a side note, I noticed ByteVirt have a Cairo, Egypt location, but it says "Network In Falkenstein, Germany". Does this mean inbound is first routed through Germany, then to Cairo?

    https://bytevirt.com/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=3

    ByteVirt either uses Cloudflare WARP as outbound or very sketchy outbound addresses. I'm not sure how they do their Cloudflare WARP stuff but after digging I guess they announce from BuyVM Luxembourg their IPv6 addresses with spoofed Maxmind GeoIP data and use that to connect to those servers.
    I have a VPS with their outbound Egypt and it goes to a random residential IP in Orange Egypt (perhaps a hacked router? have no clue)
    And yes, you go from Germany to Egypt.

    You're quite late on this... They've stopped using WARP long time ago.

    Yep. Only learned about this today and thought to clarify incase someone finds in search for them.

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