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@Gulf which one has better deliverability? Can you please posts tests if you have?
A 1:1 comparison is hard to get. All I can show you is what is possible under the right conditions: https://api.prod.glockapps.com/s/5b1a3048d1
But that doesn't mean you can replicate it. Nor does it mean that failure to replicate it is necessarily provider issue. For example, this is the same test from another domain that has a higher history of it's email being reported as spam (because of angry spammers who get terminated): https://api.prod.glockapps.com/s/813e0ee648
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I could produce accurate tests which show one doing better than the other, and then flip the results in the opposite direction with none of the data being "wrong." Because the provider's reputation is only part of the calculation at any given time.
The best test is "can positive results be achieved under the right conditions" which is modified by "good luck getting the right conditions." It usually works better when you're not trying
Yeah I was wrong , mxroute uses directadmin
My bad
So the Polacks and Yandex do not like a .ME domain?
Or the lack of website on it?
Haven't you tried the same test, with a TLD, which isn't considered spammy (like .COM, .NET, etc.), with a website on the domain (even a simplest one), but without extensive mailing history (which mxroute.com obviously has)?
I.e. simulating a kind of "typical home user", who usually uses some "typical" TLD, has a kind of "landing page" on it, but emails infrequently (another truth of these days)?
It's so hard to say. For a while Yandex sent all mail from us to spam but then it cleared up. Big lack of communication there.
I mean you can see my second test did pretty well with exception to the providers that people were more likely to report invoice and welcome emails as spam (typically in retaliation). The two tests together tell a bit of a story but testing beyond that isn't really useful. If I can say that they will accept mail from us and deliver it to the inbox, that's my main concern. If they won't, no matter what the variables, that's a problem.
I gave IMAP another go with Betterbird email client set to download everything.
That seems to provide the best of both worlds: full local coppies (apparently it can be configured to download and store everything locally) that can be locally backed up and searched quickly from a local SSD - and the advantages of IMAP's sync accross different devices and locations.
So far so good - I may fully switch to IMAP.
The downside is still the required space on the server (and performance over very slow Internet connection speeds). For example: I ran ~40 email accounts on a 10 GB MXroute lifetime account without a single problem for years - but using IMAP would require more storage on the server, of course.
Another downside are the people who store hundreds of gigabytes of emails. Though POP3 doesn't directly solve that problem, just moves it to their local drive(s). POP3 does make mail server migration of such accounts a breeze (no terabytes of emails to move).
Who are these people with hundreds of gigs or terabytes of email? Take a look at the biggest email accounts from Microsoft and Google. You'll find 50GB will more than suffice for 99.999% of email users.
Also, with IMAP, if you moved mail servers, you can drag and drop the emails in your desktop app into the mailbox of the new account. It'll upload to the server over a long time due to rate limiting, but it's usually like a 15-60 minute process for the typical user.
I agree, 50 GB is enough for a vast majority, but not for everyone.
But ~30 times 10 to 30 GB (depending on the particular account) is what I'm dealing with nowadays (with some smaller, "normal" storage use accounts).
Yes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Google allows for some crazy amounts of storage space per email account.
With POP3, the limit is your local drive size (and, perhaps, the total number of emails, old Outlook used to go dumb when it gets too much though, if memory serves me, splitting emails into archives and "folders" could fix the problem).
Some people insist on using email as a sort of a backup and database. If they work with large attachments, storage space quickly fills up (there is no amount of memory that human stupidity can't fulfill).
Thanks. That worked wonderfully for moving servers while also moving from POP3 to IMAP, so I suppose and hope it would work for IMAP -> IMAP as well (haven't tested it yet though).
Anyways, thanks for the "push" (if that is the right term) - IMAP does have its charms.
I use pop3s, and my Thunderbird folder (which is compressed, in an encrypted directory) is about 1 GB. I've got email going back about 25 years. I try to purge unimportant emails occasionally, though. I keep multiple daily backups, both local and remote.
Does IMAP compress the stored email? And more importantly, are there options to store it all encrypted? Otherwise, for security and privacy, local storage still seems like the best option (for me, at least).
That's up to the mailserver & host.
Both cPanel and DirectAdmin support compressing email folders automatically, but it can make migrating between hosts a bit messy, and moving from cPanel -> DA ~impossible for emails.
Francisco
Brief answer (I'll surely be corrected if wrong):
No.
A bit longer answer:
You can't reasonably expect emails to be encrypted while in transit (unless you sent them encrypted from the start so the receipients must decrypt them).
Similar goes for emails stored on "your" email server (whichever provider's services you are using).
Even if the emails were encrypted on your server, the fact they were not 100% reliably encrypted during the transit (and on in-between servers if they "hopped") means that your server's encryption is of limited power to preserve the privacy.
You can encrypt your local drive, of course (I'd recommend that), but I would not expect an email provider to keep my mails encrypted (again, hopefully I'll be corrected if wrong).
P.S.
Yes, removing the stuff you needn't store can keep your email storage lean even after decades (similar situation on my end for my own email accounts).
IMAP is more practical for working on the go, I must say. I could make it work with POP3, but this is more convenient (I can see sent emails on all the appliances without having to BCC to myself when sending, for example - though the BCC to self can be automated in Betterbird to name my currently main email client).
Does "Automatically" mean that without the user doing anything - both cPanel and DA store ALL folders compressed?
What about encryption? I think you stated earlier on that NameCrane stores ALL email encrypted on the server - is that still the case? And is the encryption applied at the email folders level, or just encryption at the filesystem level?
Thanks,
Could we use cranemail to send promotional emails to people who subscribed to our newsletter?
Hey! I migrated my emails today from Microsoft (Office 365 with my own domain at GoDaddy) over to Namecrane. Honestly, it went way smoother than expected - first emails are already coming in. Nice! š
Next thing on my list: checking the spam settings.
Quick question for you, @Francisco - where can I find the eM Client license?
EDIT: I found it (marketplace).
Good stuff
Yeah they moved EM Client some time ago and it caused a lot of confusion.
Francisco
I have another question @Francisco . How can I log in to the SpamExperts website as an EU customer? No matter what I enter here, Iām unable to log in.
workspace.org -> Login To "Anti Spam Management (SpamExperts) ->
For anyone who wants to know the answer: SpamExperts first needs to be activated in the domain settings.