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Is HostDZire Sustainable?
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Of bloody course you chose a criterion that makes India look insignificant. I however was talking about the country!
You'll find that in "GDP (millions of current international dollar) by country or territory" India is number 3 (while Iraq is number 44) that is, Indias GDP (PPP) is almost 3 times that of Germany (considered "a major power") and way more than double of Japan's (also considered "a major power").
Granted, India also has way more citizens than Germany or Japan but still, India also being number 3 in the list of countries sorted by the number of billionaires very strongly suggests that a significant part of India's purchase power is with high-value customers which can afford even expensive and/or luxury products. All in all, yes India still has some way to go and grow but it's definitely not an economic backwater as which you try to paint it.
Yes, I say so - and so does wikipedia which you yourself introduced as the reference. 3rd most billionaires in the world plus 3rd highest GDP (PPP) clearly says economy heavyweight.
Even that you didn't get, although I clearly said multiple times.
@HostDZire was right when he said to wait another5 or 10 years.
@artxs
Maybe google is fool
They have not done enough research like you ?
If datacenters in Singapore is enough
Then they didn't had to build another here.
Just to let you know with this they will not target only regional customers.
I dont know. I use one of their SG vps as vless reality vpn and sometimes trojan vpn im happy with it.
Honestly, I think that take is a bit one-sided. India is a country with incredible inclusivity, it’s growing fast, and it’s already becoming one of the major players on the world stage. On top of that, its unique geographic position gives it solid connectivity across the entire Asian region.
And let’s not forget, @HostDZire has been around for over a decade—maybe even eleven years now—and their status as a Leaseweb reseller speaks volumes about their overall capability and reliability.
Originally, this round of offers was supposed to be just 5 or maybe 10 “FAT32 Special” plans. But things don’t always go exactly as planned, right? In the end, they honored 120 of those specials instead of canceling the unexpected orders. That alone shows HostDZire is a trustworthy operator, and it really highlights how LET and @FAT32 helped make deals like this possible.
I genuinely hope HostDZire continues to grow and stay healthy as a provider. Like they said themselves, the goal is to keep expanding, offering more services, and reaching a wider audience—and I believe they’re on the right path.
Google builds datacenters in India and US manufacturers build factories in China because those two countries are workers, not buyers. They produce stuff for other countries, and they primarily take in currency from other countries.
Economic powerhouses are buyers, not workers. The US is an economic powerhouse because it buys products from other countries and it pays the chinese workers at the factories and indian technicians at those data center. The US makes China and India richer, but not the other way around.
Another way put, if the US were nuked out of existence, India and China would become significantly poorer because they just lost a huge customer. On the other hand, if China was nuked out of existence, US companies would just build other factories in Vietnam or Malaysia, and the world economy would move on after a severe iPhone shortage.
This is why China pegs the Yuan to the Dollar. They need to keep their currency cheap in order to keep their population working at factories and for western companies to build factories there. Without the factories, their population on average is still "poor" and can't make other countries richer.
Oh, you are in for a big surprise over the following years. You still live in the mechanics of an unipolar moment, but don't mind me - I don't want to spoil your surprise.
Just google list of companies who built datacenters in India already.
And also google and use your mind to understand who are their customer, are all their customers are from India ? or also from other countries in Asia and world.
Google building dc in india was just an example, and you are using it for arguments again by creating another topic.
Topic was Indian datacenters are baseless, no one will need Indian datacenters, if they do reason would be price only.
Why ? because singapore is there already.
This was your main statement isnt ?.
I know you will never try to understand.
But just for your information, currently trade deals are a hot topic.
So you may watch it to understand how things work.
Basically, all counties are dependent on each other,
No countries have it all,
But i know you will ignore this fact too and try to argument about it again by saying USA needs employess, cheap manufacturing etc ? but they need right ? without it their prices will be high isnt ? then their market will go down isnt ? so they are dependent, you cant instantly build factories in other country and move your business there.
Else why they are doing trade deals ? because they need each other.
So its not important who needs what, its important everyone needs something from each other. and no one have it all.
I cant waste more time to make you understand, because i know you are not trying to understand anything, you are just arguing to prove your point.
So from now on you may write whatever you want, say negative things regarding indian datacenters, your saying wont change things and it wont change the fact, so it doesnt really matter whatever you say
Thank you.
I don't know what you're trying to say. Singapore is the richest in terms of GDP per capita. You build a datacenter in Singapore for a completely different reason than building a datacenter in Mumbai or Bangalore.
Why do US tech companies pay Indians to develop software instead of Singaporeans? It's too expensive to employ Singaporeans. Singapore IS a powerhouse because you can sell $75,000 BMWs to them. India is a powerhouse only in the sense you can sell millions of $7/yr vps to them. If the US exports billions of $1 keychains to India, then yes, India would be an economic powerhouse.
Sorry but I am not going to waste more time.
So yes you are right at everything,
Me and everyone else who tried to explain you is wrong.
I really can't be bothered reading the last 2 pages, did we decide if HostDZire is sustainable or not yet?
Funny, I have servers in about 2 dozen DCs - and never, not a single time was GDP or GDP per capita or economic powerhouse or mainly cheap labour a factor to decide for a location. Never.
THE factors are connectivity, reliability, and price.
Besides SGP may be a strong economic bull, but it lives in a very, very tight cage. Malaysia right next to it does have plenty of room. Guess which will be the big DC country in 20 or 30 years ...
And India is yet another dimension.
Bluntly, because Indian students actually get a good education and must learn hard and a lot. I know only two other countries with that kind of real, albeit hard education, Russia and China. But yes, Indian graduates also work for lower wages, or to be precise, they still do.
Besides they can enjoy a life in India with their salaries, while e.g. in New York one might well pay more for a say 800 square foot apartment than one earns in India. You seem to only see the big numbers but there's also a drastic difference in living costs. So it may well be that the oh so cheap indian software developer has a more comfortable life than the expensive SGP or USA one.
Those BMWs also might indicate former wealth. Besides, one can sell many, many more $75000 cars in India than in SGP, simply because of the number of people living there. So, not the smartest argument those BMWs ...
That's a very tight and, pardon me, stupid perspective. Let's stay at indian software developers (which you brought up) and ask: what makes a good software developer? Intelligence comes to mind and the pool of people with an IQ say of 120+ in India is much bigger than in the USA. Education comes to mind, especially Math; India leading again. Experience comes to mind; probably roughly equally distributed.
Besides, as @HostDZire already stated, what's your points to do with the question which of the two, India or SGP is a better location or with the question whether HostDZire's operations are sustainable?
Just look at their threads and (viewers and replies) numbers for a clear hint.
Is this the APEC summit? Oh, I came to the wrong place. LOL
btw, Just saying this as a Malaysian — there's no way Malaysia can replace India or China as the world's factory. We simply don't have the population for it. Do you economists not consider that little detail?
People are too damn entitled.
Hi,
After almost 1 month using VPS from HostDZire SG, here is some result (I change the hostname for this thread)
mpstat -P ALL 1 10
Linux 4.18.0-553.64.1.el8_10.x86_64 (xyz.abcde.id) 08/03/2025 x86_64 (4 CPU)
06:49:23 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:24 PM all 9.05 11.06 22.86 3.02 0.00 0.50 10.05 0.00 0.00 43.47
06:49:24 PM 0 7.29 8.33 27.08 12.50 0.00 0.00 8.33 0.00 0.00 36.46
06:49:24 PM 1 15.00 6.00 16.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 53.00
06:49:24 PM 2 10.78 6.86 17.65 0.00 0.00 0.98 8.82 0.00 0.00 54.90
06:49:24 PM 3 3.00 23.00 31.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 14.00 0.00 0.00 29.00
06:49:24 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:25 PM all 7.83 10.10 23.74 18.69 0.00 0.51 8.33 0.00 0.00 30.81
06:49:25 PM 0 4.08 0.00 54.08 28.57 0.00 0.00 9.18 0.00 0.00 4.08
06:49:25 PM 1 21.65 6.19 15.46 38.14 0.00 0.00 10.31 0.00 0.00 8.25
06:49:25 PM 2 1.98 20.79 7.92 1.98 0.00 0.99 5.94 0.00 0.00 60.40
06:49:25 PM 3 4.00 13.00 18.00 7.00 0.00 1.00 8.00 0.00 0.00 49.00
06:49:25 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:26 PM all 7.48 8.73 19.45 10.22 0.00 1.00 7.48 0.00 0.00 45.64
06:49:26 PM 0 10.89 6.93 19.80 9.90 0.00 0.99 6.93 0.00 0.00 44.55
06:49:26 PM 1 1.98 1.98 23.76 24.75 0.00 2.97 5.94 0.00 0.00 38.61
06:49:26 PM 2 12.00 6.00 25.00 2.00 0.00 0.00 10.00 0.00 0.00 45.00
06:49:26 PM 3 5.05 20.20 9.09 4.04 0.00 0.00 7.07 0.00 0.00 54.55
06:49:26 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:27 PM all 8.86 9.62 19.75 16.96 0.00 0.51 7.85 0.00 0.00 36.46
06:49:27 PM 0 6.12 10.20 13.27 15.31 0.00 1.02 6.12 0.00 0.00 47.96
06:49:27 PM 1 9.09 0.00 33.33 14.14 0.00 0.00 8.08 0.00 0.00 35.35
06:49:27 PM 2 19.79 0.00 20.83 39.58 0.00 0.00 7.29 0.00 0.00 12.50
06:49:27 PM 3 0.98 27.45 11.76 0.00 0.00 0.98 9.80 0.00 0.00 49.02
06:49:27 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:28 PM all 12.31 6.28 15.08 23.87 0.00 0.50 6.53 0.00 0.00 35.43
06:49:28 PM 0 18.18 15.15 5.05 8.08 0.00 0.00 10.10 0.00 0.00 43.43
06:49:28 PM 1 7.07 1.01 27.27 48.48 0.00 1.01 3.03 0.00 0.00 12.12
06:49:28 PM 2 14.71 0.98 15.69 0.00 0.00 0.98 7.84 0.00 0.00 59.80
06:49:28 PM 3 9.18 8.16 12.24 39.80 0.00 0.00 5.10 0.00 0.00 25.51
06:49:28 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:29 PM all 10.03 9.27 28.82 0.50 0.00 0.00 12.78 0.00 0.00 38.60
06:49:29 PM 0 0.00 5.10 43.88 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.24 0.00 0.00 38.78
06:49:29 PM 1 28.00 3.00 23.00 2.00 0.00 0.00 13.00 0.00 0.00 31.00
06:49:29 PM 2 9.90 15.84 19.80 0.00 0.00 0.00 12.87 0.00 0.00 41.58
06:49:29 PM 3 2.00 13.00 29.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 13.00 0.00 0.00 43.00
06:49:29 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:30 PM all 8.61 9.37 17.47 24.81 0.00 0.51 8.10 0.00 0.00 31.14
06:49:30 PM 0 24.75 0.00 8.91 2.97 0.00 0.99 8.91 0.00 0.00 53.47
06:49:30 PM 1 2.13 4.26 23.40 64.89 0.00 0.00 5.32 0.00 0.00 0.00
06:49:30 PM 2 7.00 14.00 26.00 9.00 0.00 0.00 11.00 0.00 0.00 33.00
06:49:30 PM 3 0.00 19.00 12.00 25.00 0.00 1.00 7.00 0.00 0.00 36.00
06:49:30 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:31 PM all 13.97 10.47 8.73 3.24 0.00 0.50 7.98 0.00 0.00 55.11
06:49:31 PM 0 34.31 0.98 2.94 3.92 0.00 0.00 9.80 0.00 0.00 48.04
06:49:31 PM 1 8.91 26.73 3.96 1.98 0.00 0.99 8.91 0.00 0.00 48.51
06:49:31 PM 2 7.07 5.05 14.14 1.01 0.00 1.01 6.06 0.00 0.00 65.66
06:49:31 PM 3 5.05 9.09 14.14 6.06 0.00 0.00 7.07 0.00 0.00 58.59
06:49:31 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:32 PM all 11.31 9.55 2.01 0.00 0.00 2.26 5.78 0.00 0.00 69.10
06:49:32 PM 0 25.25 0.00 2.02 0.00 0.00 1.01 6.06 0.00 0.00 65.66
06:49:32 PM 1 17.35 5.10 1.02 0.00 0.00 6.12 8.16 0.00 0.00 62.24
06:49:32 PM 2 0.00 18.00 2.00 0.00 0.00 1.00 5.00 0.00 0.00 74.00
06:49:32 PM 3 2.97 14.85 2.97 0.00 0.00 0.99 3.96 0.00 0.00 74.26
06:49:32 PM CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
06:49:33 PM all 11.38 8.40 8.67 0.00 0.00 6.50 9.21 0.00 0.00 55.83
06:49:33 PM 0 20.20 3.03 8.08 0.00 0.00 1.01 8.08 0.00 0.00 59.60
06:49:33 PM 1 2.67 1.33 5.33 0.00 0.00 30.67 17.33 0.00 0.00 42.67
06:49:33 PM 2 7.29 10.42 12.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 5.21 0.00 0.00 64.58
06:49:33 PM 3 13.13 17.17 8.08 0.00 0.00 0.00 8.08 0.00 0.00 53.54
Average: CPU %usr %nice %sys %iowait %irq %soft %steal %guest %gnice %idle
Average: all 10.08 9.29 16.71 10.18 0.00 1.24 8.41 0.00 0.00 44.10
Average: 0 15.24 4.94 18.37 8.07 0.00 0.50 8.58 0.00 0.00 44.30
Average: 1 11.62 5.71 17.53 19.61 0.00 3.63 8.71 0.00 0.00 33.20
Average: 2 9.03 9.83 16.15 5.22 0.00 0.50 8.02 0.00 0.00 51.25
Average: 3 4.51 16.53 14.83 8.12 0.00 0.40 8.32 0.00 0.00 47.29
You don't know what "per capita" means but you argue on your own beliefs instead of facts. There's nothing else to discuss here.
Here's a little fact. BMW sold approximately 15,000 cars to India but sold 150,000 cars to China. Both China and India have about the same population: 1.4 billion. Make up your own arguments here if you like India so much. Maybe Indians don't like European cars or maybe Germans don't like Indians.
Haha, thanks for making me laugh!
Btw, I had Latin in high school for six years, so of course I know what per capita means ("per head" meaning per citizen).
And again: what are your BMW sales numbers per region, which btw. are not only, not even mainly depending on available income per capita, to do with this thread's topic?
Felix potuit ...
](/discussion/comment/4487880/#Comment_4487880):
You can clearly state this fact that you hate India in general 🥲
Per capita, gdp, bmw sales data is not relevant to this forum.
Isn't this stupid that you are comparing China with India and earlier it was Singapore per capita to India's? 😒
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/services/property-/-cstruction/india-overtakes-australia-japan-and-singapore-in-data-centre-capacity/articleshow/110137551.cms
https://asia.nikkei.com/business/technology/india-outpacing-asian-rivals-in-data-center-capacity-report-says
Only on LET a topic about India and its economy can turn into a thread about latin and ancient poetry.
Good morning, are we done?
I brought up China and India because @jsg insisted that there are important number of people within 100ms of India, and I simply showed the number of people isn't important (China and India's population are nearly identical), but how deep their pockets are. Anyway, lets get back to the topic of selling $7/yr vps to Indians, not $75k BMWs.
Funny - and not irrelevant - side note: They are based on MW (power capacity), which indeed is a major factor, especially for those who build data centers, and probably also particularly in hot regions (like South Asia) because those Megawatts also must be "cooled away".
For this topic ("India really a hosting backwater? Nope, certainly not") though I think international fiber capacity is more important and in that regard SGP still might be in a better position (Idk, just a guess).
Please, stop your BS already! I did not insist, but simply mentioned a fact. And yes, to me people are more interesting and important than $$, BMWs, or GDP this or that, plus and important: people who can't afford a $75000 car are just as important as those who can.
I strongly doubt one can reach 1 billion people or even more within 100 ms from say, Dallas or Frankfurt (and if one could from Frankfurt then due to (barely) reaching parts of India).
And btw, the topic is not only selling "$7/yr VPS to Indians" but rather selling any kind of servers in an India location to anybody - because that is what @HostDZire does. I for just one example am not indian nor do I have to the best of my knowledge any roots in India and I'm a very happy customer of HostDZire and consider them a top-provider.
And there you go ranting on your beliefs again. No, people who can afford $75,000 BMWs are more important than people who can only afford $7/yr vps. You're confusing economics with your religion.
Your assumption that Indians and nearby countries can only afford $7 VPS is laughable. I've known plenty of internet entrepreneurs from India who used premium services like WiredTree and Linode back in 2014. One of my friends, a small blog owner, was paying $20/month for a GoDaddy plan before I helped him migrate to Linode.
By the way, you seem pretty fixated on the $7 VPS price point 😏
Now, that ("people who can afford $75,000 BMWs are more important than people who can only afford $7/yr vps") is a belief! And it tells us more about you than I ever wanted to know.
And now kindly stop to derail and kidnap this thread with your weird and misanthropic belief yada yada already!
Derailing master at work! 😅
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/206062/greenclouds-zero-tolerance-for-child-pornography/p4
Unholy fuck, what a deranged guy. So, the lesson from him seems to be "raping a 5-year old girl is OK if you have a $75000 BMW".
Despicable.
How about people who can afford 75,000 $1 BMW
No, the lesson is that if you can throw a 5 month fetus into the garbage can, you shouldn't be squeamish about a 30 year old man marrying an 8 year old girl. Muhammad did it and no one called him a deranged guy.
but thanks @navneetkk for digging it up and keeping this thread on topic.
Sorry, I won't join your new private war against a major religion.