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ColoCrossing - Poll for Provider Tag

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  • @jbiloh said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:
    This is not up for debate.

    What exactly isn't up for debate?

    To avoid sounding like a broken wheel. Can you clarify?

    You wrote:

    Colocrossing own this forum.

    Why do you think this? (If this is what you meant isn't up for debate)

    I explain it in my post. My interactions with their directors first hand.

    I even considered a trip to say Hi when I was in NY for work back then but I decided against it since I was staying in NYC.

    This is back when they had a real support team. Unless they did a good job lying to us..

    In 2014, ColoCrossing operated a beautiful office in the Buffalo suburbs. The following year, we moved into a much larger space in downtown Buffalo, in the same building as our primary datacenter.

    Fast forward 10 years, and ColoCrossing still maintains that same large downtown office, staffed 24/7. You’ll find plenty of photos of our team and workspace on our website and social media.

    That’s why I found your comment about a "real support team" a bit puzzling.

    You know I just landed back home. Flew out from Buffalo, NY today. I was thinking about your team and prior chats while in town.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran
    edited June 2025

    @DrNutella said:

    @jbiloh said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:
    This is not up for debate.

    What exactly isn't up for debate?

    To avoid sounding like a broken wheel. Can you clarify?

    You wrote:

    Colocrossing own this forum.

    Why do you think this? (If this is what you meant isn't up for debate)

    I explain it in my post. My interactions with their directors first hand.

    I even considered a trip to say Hi when I was in NY for work back then but I decided against it since I was staying in NYC.

    This is back when they had a real support team. Unless they did a good job lying to us..

    In 2014, ColoCrossing operated a beautiful office in the Buffalo suburbs. The following year, we moved into a much larger space in downtown Buffalo, in the same building as our primary datacenter.

    Fast forward 10 years, and ColoCrossing still maintains that same large downtown office, staffed 24/7. You’ll find plenty of photos of our team and workspace on our website and social media.

    That’s why I found your comment about a "real support team" a bit puzzling.

    Oh I left out an important fact.
    All my interactions for sales were through HVH even though I connected with folks at CC. They told me it’s the same company. Same with chicagoVPS. Also told me back then it’s the same support team.

    Also @jbiloh is talking like he works for CC and someone said he owns the forum in this same thread. I think everyone is reading this right?

    So back to what I said before. I don’t hear the forum changed ownership and I think CC is respectful of free speech. That’s it.

    Note - never had issues with ColoCrossing. Just HudsonValleyHost which they also own.

    I founded ColoCrossing in 2006 and owned ColoCrossing until June 2018. At that time I also sold LowEndBox and LowEndTalk.

    In January 2020 I bought LowEndBox and LowEndTalk back. I've owned it since then.

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  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited June 2025

    @jbiloh said:

    I founded ColoCrossing in 2006 and owned ColoCrossing until June 2018. At that time I also sold LowEndBox and LowEndTalk.

    In January 2020 I bought LowEndBox and LowEndTalk back. I've owned it since then.

    If you sold ColoCrossing and no longer own it, is there some agreement that they should have a provider tag here as long as you are an administrator? Or are you willing to turn an eye on this one purely out of nostalgia?

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  • NJa64FNJa64F Barred
    edited June 2025

    @default said:
    If you sold ColoCrossing and no longer own it, is there some agreement that they should have a provider tag here

    If his Linkedin is up to date then they are his employer.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-biloh/
    HostPapa logo
    General Manager - Infrastructure DivisionGeneral Manager - Infrastructure Division
    HostPapaHostPapa Sep 2023 - Present · 1 yr 10 mosSep 2023 to Present · 1 yr 10 mos
    Leading the HostPapa Infrastructure Business Unit, including ColoCrossing, with a strong focus on operational capabilities, efficiency, and business development.

    The other side of this :
    1. Most companies dont give the entire rundown when they are exploited.
    2. I'm aware this website is a marketing tool for providers with Colocrossing historically being the primary beneficiary . That doesnt keep me from enjoying and benefiting from the exchange of information and sales.
    3. Personally I wouldnt submit to pressure telling me who can advertise on my forum. We each can vote with our pocketbook, or our time on this forum. I'm gonna keep on keeping on ;)

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:
    This is not up for debate.

    What exactly isn't up for debate?

    To avoid sounding like a broken wheel. Can you clarify?

    You wrote:

    Colocrossing own this forum.

    Why do you think this? (If this is what you meant isn't up for debate)

    I explain it in my post. My interactions with their directors first hand.

    ... about 10 years ago ...

    @jbiloh said:
    In 2014, ColoCrossing operated a beautiful office in the Buffalo suburbs. The following year, we moved into a much larger space in downtown Buffalo, in the same building as our primary datacenter.

    Fast forward 10 years, and ColoCrossing still maintains that same large downtown office, staffed 24/7. You’ll find plenty of photos of our team and workspace on our website and social media.

    (emphasis mine)

    As 'we' and 'our' clearly implies "I'm a part of it" the question arises why you didn't provide a clear, honest, and full statement re. CC's recent clusterfuck.

    Frankly, I personally don't care whether you still are in CC's top management or not, nor am I a fan of the occasional hunting jbiloh quite a few here seem to like a lot; in fact, to the best of my knowledge Jon Biloh, the private person, bought, owns, and revived, probably even saved LET - and that deserves respect and some gratitude.

    But I'm puzzled to see you yourself mixing up things, and - as the private person Jon Biloh - talking about CC in a way that strongly indicates that in fact you still are quite tightly related to CC.

    So what's it then? Who is jbiloh, is he the private person Jon Biloh, or is he part of or tightly related to CC?

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  • I don’t understand the point of this thread anymore. If they post an offer thread we can dunk on them like CharityHost, but if they don’t do anything (given their inactivity) does arguing over their tag accomplish anything other than virtue signaling?

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  • @PineappleM said:
    I don’t understand the point of this thread anymore. If they post an offer thread we can dunk on them like CharityHost, but if they don’t do anything (given their inactivity) does arguing over their tag accomplish anything other than virtue signaling?

    The community is seeking clarity. Whether they accept or believe is another matter entirely.

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  • @jsg said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:

    @angstrom said:

    @DrNutella said:
    This is not up for debate.

    What exactly isn't up for debate?

    To avoid sounding like a broken wheel. Can you clarify?

    You wrote:

    Colocrossing own this forum.

    Why do you think this? (If this is what you meant isn't up for debate)

    I explain it in my post. My interactions with their directors first hand.

    ... about 10 years ago ...

    @jbiloh said:
    In 2014, ColoCrossing operated a beautiful office in the Buffalo suburbs. The following year, we moved into a much larger space in downtown Buffalo, in the same building as our primary datacenter.

    Fast forward 10 years, and ColoCrossing still maintains that same large downtown office, staffed 24/7. You’ll find plenty of photos of our team and workspace on our website and social media.

    (emphasis mine)

    As 'we' and 'our' clearly implies "I'm a part of it" the question arises why you didn't provide a clear, honest, and full statement re. CC's recent clusterfuck.

    Frankly, I personally don't care whether you still are in CC's top management or not, nor am I a fan of the occasional hunting jbiloh quite a few here seem to like a lot; in fact, to the best of my knowledge Jon Biloh, the private person, bought, owns, and revived, probably even saved LET - and that deserves respect and some gratitude.

    But I'm puzzled to see you yourself mixing up things, and - as the private person Jon Biloh - talking about CC in a way that strongly indicates that in fact you still are quite tightly related to CC.

    So what's it then? Who is jbiloh, is he the private person Jon Biloh, or is he part of or tightly related to CC?

    This. The language used is confusing, lots of "we", and linkedin seems to indicate he still works for them. His LET profile says he doesn't work for a host, and he's pretty much the only one i see defending the way colocrossing handled this breach. If you're the admin, and you work for colocrossing (or it's parent company), and are therefore biased and going to give them a pass, just be up front about it imo... would respect that more than the vague/confusing language and half answers.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @AlteredParadox said: His LET profile says he doesn't work for a host

    His account (from 2013) pre-dates when that question was added. It's obviously not a default Vanilla question and was added as a custom field at some point. It defaults to "no" and his account was never updated, probably because he is not a host rep, doesn't have a provider tag, etc.

    When was that question added to registration?

    Vanilla doesn't record when that custom field was added in the database, and table that holds that info doesn't have a "last modified" or anything column, so database forensics are useless.

    The question itself is stored in Vanilla's config.php. There are some old config.php files in backups:

    • One from November 2020 does not have this question
    • Neither does one from September 2021
    • One from April 2022 does

    Considering that the April one is in config.bak-date-string file name format, I'm guessing that the change was made then and the person making the change saved the old file as a precaution before implementing the change.

    Completely possible I'm wrong on this, but that's what I see.

    Thanked by 2jsg AlteredParadox
  • @Maelstrom36 said:

    @PineappleM said:
    I don’t understand the point of this thread anymore. If they post an offer thread we can dunk on them like CharityHost, but if they don’t do anything (given their inactivity) does arguing over their tag accomplish anything other than virtue signaling?

    The community is seeking clarity. Whether they accept or believe is another matter entirely.

    We have already received clear and transparent answers. Why are we still asking the same question over? Please read thread history.

    Net net. Yes relationship exists. Yes they are real people. Yes they respect our freedom of speech rights on the forum. I do not see CC or their brands aggressively abusing any power or authority. I see the opposite so I do not mind the relationship. Maybe we say "thank you for hosting this awesome community" and that is it. I hope CC stays this neutral when we share our opinions and experiences. It has served them well and will continue to.

  • zedzed Member

    looooooool

    i mean even i'm tempted at 10 bucks, lol.

    these aren't the droids you're looking for.

  • tarisutarisu Member, Host Rep

    Rip

  • @angstrom could you please add https://haveibeenpwned.com/Breach/ColoCrossing to the op?
    i think this one is worth to mention as the breach is verified by outside party

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  • Are "Virtualizor bug" and "Virtualizor misconfiguration" synonyms? 🤔

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  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited July 2025

    @CloudHopper said:
    Are "Virtualizor bug" and "Virtualizor misconfiguration" synonyms? 🤔

    I guess it depends on who you ask.

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited July 2025

    Over 260 votes. This thread likely has run its course, but I wish to say "thank you" to all the people who voted, whatever they voted.

    "Democracy, by its very nature, can't be imposed on people. Democracy has to be the people deciding for themselves." - George Soros

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  • @rustelekom said:
    Such voting does not show any democracy. It only shows a reaction to something, like this is shown for movie reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.com. Sometimes movies get low ratings, but this doesn't mean the movie team should be removed from the industry. A civilized society should establish some responsibility for private data leaks. In some countries, there are already laws to address this issue.

    Creative differences and incompetence/negligence are not the same thing.

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  • techdragontechdragon Member
    edited July 2025

    YES
    83.58%

    NO
    16.42%

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