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  • @JohnFilch123 said:

    @ethanblake87 said: Stable? They have some pretty good locations that I'm interested in..

    I used them a few times, it was pretty stable for me. However, I would not do any production using them.

    Nice, ofc not. Thanks!

    Thanked by 1JohnFilch123
  • Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

  • @TimboJones said:
    Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

    Lol didn’t I literally say I’m happy to give my info to credit card gateways, just not the providers themselves? How is that money laundering?

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @ServerBachelor said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

    Lol didn’t I literally say I’m happy to give my info to credit card gateways, just not the providers themselves? How is that money laundering?

    What info?

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @TimboJones said:
    Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

    I would like to launder $7/year please

  • @TimboJones said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

    Lol didn’t I literally say I’m happy to give my info to credit card gateways, just not the providers themselves? How is that money laundering?

    What info?

    I explained in the body of the post.

  • @tentor said:

    @TimboJones said:
    Data breach prevention is the new code phrase for money laundering it seems.

    I would like to launder $7/year please

    I launder $7/year for idlers :D

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • onidelonidel Member, Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @onidel said:
    We don't ask for KYC

    Your registration page requests name, number, address?

    You can enter anything you’d like, we do not check :)

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • servers_guruservers_guru Member, Patron Provider
  • I've been waiting for the perfect promotion from you guys...maybe next BF :)

    Thanked by 1servers_guru
  • servers_guruservers_guru Member, Patron Provider

    @ServerBachelor said:

    I've been waiting for the perfect promotion from you guys...maybe next BF :)

    We have 50% recurring in USA atm moment :)

  • @ServerBachelor said:

    No credit card or PayPal.

    does it really matter? it's not hard to imagine some providers infer your information from your billing details (which you need to provide in order to pay using fiat) and store them in the database, even if they dont explicitly ask for it when registering

  • @naphtha said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    No credit card or PayPal.

    does it really matter? it's not hard to imagine some providers infer your information from your billing details (which you need to provide in order to pay using fiat) and store them in the database, even if they dont explicitly ask for it when registering

    There's always a risk. But I trust that hosting providers who are conscientious enough to modify WHMCS (or other client management system) to minimize data collection in the first place will be less likely to pull that kind of trick.

  • ralfralf Member

    @Spirits said:
    Just ask a homeless guy and give him a meal or some cash if you dont want to use your real data.

    Homeless people aren't typically very good providers of a home address.

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • @ralf said:

    @Spirits said:
    Just ask a homeless guy and give him a meal or some cash if you dont want to use your real data.

    Homeless people aren't typically very good providers of a home address.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rw3I2JhmxmE

  • AvaHostingAvaHosting Member, Patron Provider

    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanked by 1ServerBachelor
  • @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

  • AvaHostingAvaHosting Member, Patron Provider

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    What we said is valid for WHMCS also. We just require a valid email.

  • @AvaHosting said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    What we said is valid for WHMCS also. We just require a valid email.

    Yes, email is fine, but no name or anything else for WHMCS?

  • AvaHostingAvaHosting Member, Patron Provider

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    What we said is valid for WHMCS also. We just require a valid email.

    Yes, email is fine, but no name or anything else for WHMCS?

    You are not obliged to submit real data such as your name, but a valid email address is required.

    Of course, you can use a temporary or masked one, but if you lose access to the email, it's (obviously) not our responsibility.

    If you already know how anti-fraud systems and filters work, you'll already have an idea of how they work.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.hosting

    Thanked by 1ServerBachelor
  • naphthanaphtha Member

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @naphtha said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    No credit card or PayPal.

    does it really matter? it's not hard to imagine some providers infer your information from your billing details (which you need to provide in order to pay using fiat) and store them in the database, even if they dont explicitly ask for it when registering

    There's always a risk. But I trust that hosting providers who are conscientious enough to modify WHMCS (or other client management system) to minimize data collection in the first place will be less likely to pull that kind of trick.

    when you assume you make an ass of u and me!

    if you care about your privacy just use crypto, and not a transparent one

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • NS32NS32 Member

    @naphtha said:
    if you care about your privacy just use crypto, and not a transparent one

    monero ftw

    Thanked by 3naphtha tentor oloke
  • @naphtha said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @naphtha said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    No credit card or PayPal.

    does it really matter? it's not hard to imagine some providers infer your information from your billing details (which you need to provide in order to pay using fiat) and store them in the database, even if they dont explicitly ask for it when registering

    There's always a risk. But I trust that hosting providers who are conscientious enough to modify WHMCS (or other client management system) to minimize data collection in the first place will be less likely to pull that kind of trick.

    when you assume you make an ass of u and me!

    if you care about your privacy just use crypto, and not a transparent one

    My threat model doesn't require that, but props to anyone who does.

  • @NS32 said:

    @naphtha said:
    if you care about your privacy just use crypto, and not a transparent one

    monero ftw

    Or litecoin.

  • NS32NS32 Member

    @gbzret4d said:

    @NS32 said:

    @naphtha said:
    if you care about your privacy just use crypto, and not a transparent one

    monero ftw

    Or litecoin.

    Litecoin is great but it's not a privacy coin. It's transparent just like bitcoin. MWEB is a great step though.

    Thanked by 1oloke
  • LordSpockLordSpock Member, Host Rep

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    Most payment facilitators will pass the billing address directly on to the merchant. Is your threat model more just to avoid leaks from breaches - because this won't obscure it from the provider (or necessarily even WHMCS depending on the gateway module)?

  • @LordSpock said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    Most payment facilitators will pass the billing address directly on to the merchant. Is your threat model more just to avoid leaks from breaches

    Correct

    because this won't obscure it from the provider (or necessarily even WHMCS depending on the gateway module)?

    Ok with me, but if I'm getting something wrong here, a better explanation about how to approach this is welcome

  • NS32NS32 Member

    @ServerBachelor said:
    Ok with me, but if I'm getting something wrong here, a better explanation about how to approach this is welcome

    pay with crypto currency

  • LordSpockLordSpock Member, Host Rep

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @LordSpock said:

    @ServerBachelor said:

    @AvaHosting said:
    Hi,

    We don't require your name, that's upon you. ;)

    We just need a real email and that you can recover your account for security reasons.
    https://ava.hosting/

    We don't verify your information, but if you pay with Credit Card, they probably will ask for KYC in Payment Gateway, always pay with Crypto. Of course you can pay with credit card etc.

    But we just need a valid email. The rest we don't care.

    Kind Regards,
    Ava.Hosting

    Thanks for the information. I’m fine with entering my info into the payment gateway, just not entering into WHMCS.

    Most payment facilitators will pass the billing address directly on to the merchant. Is your threat model more just to avoid leaks from breaches

    Correct

    Fair enough!

    because this won't obscure it from the provider (or necessarily even WHMCS depending on the gateway module)?

    Ok with me, but if I'm getting something wrong here, a better explanation about how to approach this is welcome

    This'll probably work for your intended purpose in most cases. Some providers use some forms of anti fraud system which will map your account and card address at some point. If you pass 3DS then you probably won't have much of an issue.

    My approach for the above (I do not trust most internet companies as far as I can throw them) is I have rented some form of additional address (virtual office/co-working space/whatever) which I can use as a shield for everything. I have a card here which is exclusively used for this purpose.

    Thanked by 1quicksilver03
  • slowserversslowservers Member, Host Rep

    I appreciate @naptha mentioning SporeStack. Kyun, I think is also token based, and it's cheaper than SporeStack. I've never used it, but I'm sure Kyun is worth checking out.

    No KYC for Slow Servers, but it's IPv6 only and pretty niche. Monero, Bitcoin, or Bitcoin Cash (of those, definitely use Monero!) If you absolutely wanted to, you could send cash to the PO Box.

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