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Yes , 16 GBs for 10$ it's possible, if you know how to make this smart
Example:
HP Gen 9 cost 100 euros > https://www.piospartslap.de/HP-ProLiant-DL360-G9-Server-Barebone-no-CPU-RAM-2x-Kuehler-ohne-RAID-Controller-10x-SFF-25
2x e5-2699c v4 (44 core / 88 threads) > 100$ maximum 2x CPUs
Ram memory (24x DIMMs x 32 GB ram) I'm pay 15$ per 32 Gb ram DIMM = 768 GB Ram
768 GB Ram : 16 = 48 VMs
48 x 10$ = 480$
Colocation cost = 150$ with electricity
INternet = 50$
Cost per IPv4 = 0.50$ x 48 IPv4 = 24-26$
Whmcs cost per client license = 0.10$
Cost fee Paypal/stripe/crypto 5-7%
etc...etc... it's a profit of 150$ minimum for 10x servers it's already 1.500$
48 customers x 10x servers = 480 customers, not impossible
and this it's just a small math makes in 2 minutes, again just need to know how to make all this thinks to work
I think there's a saying for this... it's expensive to be cheap? Think like getting the cheapest shoes and you have to replace them every year, or pay for a premium set and it lasts for 5 years.
Not when we see clients, users who join LowendTalk, and see providers with a tag that means they're following a process that won't let you down.
But if that provider pays $100 and then leaves you high and dry, scammed?
LowendTalk is responsible for those sales not being accepted by providers who wanted to adjust to unrealistic plans!
Now, because the provider doesn't sell and has enough hardware or extra IPs to avoid selling, they have to offer stupid plans. This isn't acceptable in any community!
Stop the incoherent plans!
Without paying staff, without taxes, without a payment processor!
Your math is pathetic. Tell us how many accounts you need to sell to make it profitable.
Ridiculous plans with low-end processors. Many customers want their Yabs with Ryzen or high-end plans, so they're not considered premium!
You're a scammer, and it showed on your 60-page posts!
would like to know $22K calculation in 1 minutes.
You're preaching to the choir at this point. Other than @crunchbits bringing up valid points that expenses and profit margins vary wildly with each business, I think most people (except the summer hosts themselves of course) concur with your sentiment.
Mmmm not necessarily. I know I want Ryzen but my sister doesn't need one. She just needs something to host a simple website of her professional portfolio, which a Xeon is more than enough for. The more vocal members are likely to want Ryzen or better but don't count out the silent majority either.
Sure, scams happen. I have fallen victim to some. It's a calculated risk though. Usually payment processors have your back as a client.
And you know, if a provider has overstock, it's actually cheaper to sell insanely cheap rather than let resources sitting there idle.
Every business is different. Hard to compare numbers.
I do agree through some shady actors are around who I personally would see the door, but you know, who am I? I'm just a guest attending this place.
Sorry but until now my head cannot understand how you can sustain this price of 0.5$ per month for these specs and a DEDICATED IPv4? Am I missing something?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/201083/exclusive-let-offer-promotional-vps-for-only-12-00-biannual-recurring/p1
The problem isn't having extra hardware because you don't know how to sell it, it's because the provider is responsible. Sometimes you have to assume that loss and know that the problem isn't the client's, it's the provider's.
We see problems with providers offering $7 a year or ridiculous plans. 1 GB for $1 isn't profitable when you have staff, pay taxes, ridiculous plans, or old hardware plans. The client joins LowendTalk and sees that a provider with a label isn't going to let them down because they went through a process. But anyone with money has the label. What's the point? We can afford 16 GB plans for $40 a month because our clients see the service we offer. We saw providers who offer the plan for $5 a month and close it after the third month. Hosting plans with an 80% discount. Are you really dying for a sale? Old providers offering RIDICULOUS plans isn't acceptable because when they lose data, it's not LowendTalk's problem, it's providers who have no ethics!
I grab two nodes and sell senseless plans. I'm premium, but my ethics, my morals, will tell me not to do this because it doesn't make sense, even though I have services to sell you.
I wouldn't worry about yabs. That's extremely unique to LE forums only. If that is all of your customers, then maybe you think everyone cares about it. If that is the case, I reiterate: you have deeper issues to address. We've never been sent a yabs/similar from a single customer from other sources. Plenty of customers are after value and reliability. They don't need 3k yabs single core, they need it to just work and be supported if something goes wrong outside of their control.
I've somewhat detailed it a year or two ago in a comment, but this is pretty accurate.
@nohavps Take an average GPU rack for us:
We'll have: ~30 1U / ~12 2U / ~9 4U chassis in a single rack. Everything divisible by 3 so it's a simple as possible to follow my powering schematics on 3ph power.
No matter which stack, we have to assume 100% on GPU rigs (even though it never happens simultaneously, as many workloads don't max all parts of GPU outside of some cryptocurrency mining). This leaves us with stranded power and space. Not enough to deploy another full GPU unit (either by rackspace or power) but plenty of room to toss some finely aged 1U or 2U4N's that fall below that envelope.
For example, a 4U GPU chassis can easily run north of 2.5kW sustained (realistic) depending on what is in it. Well, if the rack has a power envelope of 1700W left we're not going to deploy that. Why not toss a few VM hypervisors in? I can do literally nothing, or we can monetize an extra 3-6U using legacy hardware and further expanding to new customers in an entirely different segment.
Additionally, you are completely discounting that after 6mos to 1 year of providing stable services to these customers, a not-insignificant amount of them decide to try us with larger projects or commercial deployments needing a new home.
Would I start a host selling $11/13/22 a year plans only? No. Can it make sense to monetize otherwise completely sidelined hardware? Absolutely.
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It's a old provider , so it's not deadpool , he know what he sell
Lost data? Make 3-2-1 rule backup
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You're just jealous that you don't know how to do business.
Thanks for this response, gave a lot of insight on how business decisions are made behind the scenes, especially from a reputable provider like yourself!
I'm ok with LET running as it is currently. The community here is pretty good about calling out shit when we see it and I don't want staff deciding what kind of deal I'm allowed to see. Let them handle the most extreme cases (actual scams, repeat deadpoolers, etc) and I'll handle whether $7/yr with provider X is worth a try.
Listen you don't want the people buying those unsustainable deals anyway, they're going to be absolute nightmare customers. Price your service sensibly and compete with the other providers doing same.
It's different for everyone. If all the GPU rentals disappeared immediately (assuming they were all monthly only) then we'd have to consider pivoting, but that can be said for anything: if all the [storage/cpu/ryzen] rentals disappeared...
I know what @nohavps is saying and he's not explicitly wrong at a base level, but it just isn't exactly the same for every provider. Depending on location, we can be under $99/kW/mo all-in in the US for a real T3 facility with certs and with scale (i.e. not 1 promo rack). The flipside of that is the best quotes we're seeing for parts of Asia would have us in the $450-550/kW/mo all-in range. What I do here absolutely does not work there and will require us to rethink deployments for APAC.
I get what you're trying to say. I really do. But it's a bit more complicated than that.
For some, it's selling at a loss, trying to make a name. There's a higher risk.
For others it's cheap marketing or monetising unused resources. Sell 20 servers at a loss, sell a 100 with profit. Run the numbers and it might be worth it.
Like... My business has support staff available 24/7, in-house. Now, we only utilise them about 50% of their time. Having them available is non negotiable as I want a premium user experience and my clients are paying for that. So we can offer support staff time 'insanely cheap' to other related businesses. That might look like offering services at a loss, in reality it's an additional revenue stream.
Unfortunately, this is a topic that many disagree with. We only see that it's reality. They're driven by prices, not ethics.
An active post, massgriv plans for 4 years and over 60 pages, that doesn't help them, with no response from the provider, but the provider already had the customers' money!!!
i would half agree with OP but the key is balance, and there is value in paying for marketing with such deals.
nobody is forcing your hand to make this your main source of revenue.
I agree,
And here is a good example.
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/199333/best-deals-9-99-yr-vps-20-99-yr-4vcpu-8gb-ram-50gb-dedicated-servers-pre-black-friday#latest
I spent time/money - to be cancel the dedi
X$ year deals
leads to no support for real customers, packet loss and etc.
You still enjoying being a frontend for 8chan and all the CP? Asking for a friend.
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We don't accept CP
Yes we host 8chan, same for kiwifarms and others...it's free speech forums
This it's just two of this... but we host more biggest websites , I'm host for example a website what have 1+ unique requests per month.
Ah yes, hentai of babies, good job Calin, @Arkas you allow scum that allows baby hentai on LET?
You must be aware then they host /tot/ (toddler-depicted porn), shotacon and lolicon right? So, you’re fine hosting CP?
WTH are people out there liking this kind of stuffs?
If it's true please send a email to [email protected]
I'm talk with admins and /tot/ it's deleted
But please send email if problems still persists
Yes and Calin refused to remove it from his network.
I feel like many decent providers don't express themselves in this post for fear of sales, like others who publish ridiculous plans with Crunchbits. Among other things, they state that if they have empty nodes because they don't know how to sell their plans, they have to sell ridiculous plans. No decent provider gives any examples that are profitable. I have nothing more to say than reading the comments.
What I see is that I have certain nodes that I don't sell. How should I do it? I have to give them ridiculous plans and compete with large companies or decent companies with ridiculous prices so I can win sales.
Don't complain that I'm giving you a plan and even want support!!
What you have to see is pitiful!!
See you later, LowendTalk. We don't want to participate in these ridiculous providers. We call them premium when they aren't because they sell ridiculous plans because they have nodes that they can't sell at ridiculous prices!
I already told you in dm's, that it was back up again, and there is still loli and shota boards, but you ignored, left on read, didn't do anything.
Do you think people with five senses have to send an email that you're just a simple kid who wants to become an entrepreneur?
Mogul? Where you mature and become a professional.
RIDICULOUS
Thank LET for not banning you. You'd just be a basement supplier who never saw the light of day!
@Calin IS SCAMER 22K
@nohavps LET is impossible for providers that want to do actual business and make money instead of deadpooling after a year, the deals went so insane that good deals are "expensive", I stopped looking for deals here and just deal with people directly instead.