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Hello,
No provider has posted this thread, perhaps for some reason?
A few weeks ago, did they update the 2025 community rules?
We've seen countless cases of providers posting issues that affect clients, external providers, etc.?
What's really going on? Is it worth paying a provider's fee and doing what they want?
Someone made a 22k fraud post over 50 pages long, indicating the problem was @calin, and the person continues as if nothing happened?
evoshosting is now changing its name as if nothing happened?
Now charityhost is insulting its customers and calling them trolls for telling them the truth? Is this regrettable?
I think the community should stop these threads. Sometimes, the drama or having 10-page posts complaining that this isn't the right thing to do?
We sent a support ticket indicating that several summer companies are posting ridiculous promotions just to line their pockets and close, leaving their customers in the lurch, and nothing happens?
The tag is worth $100, the data and time of affected customers, how much is it worth to them?
Doesn't the drama exist in communities when their customers clamor for action and moderators/administrators do nothing to take drastic measures?
We personally will not renew our tag as a supplier because being forced to post ridiculous promotions that force us to close is not our game. promotions 16 GB - 20 GB for 10$/month
No profitable provider is going to offer ridiculously low plans to become a premium provider.
Imagine providers offering $7 a year for $2 from PayPal or any other processor.
Is $5 a year worth pennies a month?
That's unacceptable.
I hope you reflect on this issue, and Happy Easter!
Comments
I think some hosts are tolerated because they being traffic to this forum.
The problem is for customers who get carried away by these offers. Many have easily complained. Any provider can grab a node for $80 for three months, offer ridiculous promotions, and are considered premium.
For example, Massive Hosting promoted posts that weren't profitable. Now, people are complaining about four years of what they claim was a super promotion. It's unfortunate that this wouldn't be allowed on Web Hosting Talk.
Sometimes it's not about quantity, it's about quality.
Mr Purple is a known fraudster but has been promoted by moderators themselves. It's clear they bot their threads to keep themselves on the front page too.
You are right but nothing will change.
The idea of the community isn't to have drama posts, it's about clients and suppliers. Offer real plans, and clients don't waste time on ridiculous suppliers who offer the sun and the moon for two dollars when it's profitable.
We won't be renewing our tag, and I think many real suppliers don't waste time on these posts that don't offer $7 a year and aren't premium.
A beer or a burger is worth more than a project that generates profits per year!
I think several users have been complaining to their administrators/moderators for months, years, and we never see any change? What's going on, LowendTalk? The drama is worth it. Traffic is so great that these people are getting carried away by mediocre providers offering unrealistic plans.
I think the administrators know how profitable some plan is, why do they allow this?
I think the real issue is that many of us (myself included) don't know what is a realistic price for a VPS or server.
For example, if we want to look for a 1 TB SSD, we know that a reasonable price is around $100 USD (in the USA at least), and if you pay more (Samsung) you get better quality and reliability, or if you pay less (Chinese knockoff) you get something that will fail in a year.
I think that same yardstick is absent for VPS/servers. I for one largely rely on reputable brands, so like OVH and HostHatch for example, even if they aren't the cheapest. I know that for the dollar I pay, I can count on my server still being online.
@nohavps Why are you adding me to this game? In the past year, I haven't sold a single VPS for less than $10/month, precisely because it's not profitable. Don't lump me in with others who don't know how to calculate their profit and costs. I've been on the market since 2020. Can you show me more examples of clients who have complained about my services? About money being stolen? The answer: NO.
There's no point in digging up this topic again, I keep clients updated with any progress related to that case.
Remove this now
I can tell you without any problem, you are one of the people who only scammed an external provider out of 22k and you continue as if nothing happened!
Many of us in the Chinese community, like nodeseek and webhostingtalk, don't see the dramas on this low-end talk because they don't allow 5-7 year promotions or 0.30 cents per month plans.
Please, some administrator, sometimes it's not profitable for non-provider customers.
Draw your own conclusions, big providers don't waste time on this. Ridiculous promotions of $5 for 10 GB-16 GB RAM.
How long will they allow this?
THE DRAMA IS NOT TRAFFIC, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THEIR COMMUNITY USERS WHO LOSE THEIR DATA/TIME!
On this I agree with you
Not that I will defend the staff here (I myself fell victim to a deadpool provider who was permanently banned from LET, too little too late), but it's not like the staff here have access to everyone's financial books to know if they have cash flow to survive or are an exit scam. If the staff banned anyone that "seemed" like a summer host, the problem would swing the other way and perhaps encourage bribes or other unethical acts to remain unbanned. Newer providers would also have no way to enter.
It's a problem that really has no good solution, other than veterans (both reputable providers and users) calling out on offer threads whether the offer is suspect, and prospective customers doing their own homework before parting ways with their money.
Amazon is also the same for the record, full of counterfeits and complete trash. Cat and mouse game.
We've all (from a hosts perspective) bounced around with similar thoughts. I've come to respect that @jbiloh and his team can run and mod their site as they see fit. I'm a guest. I get a lot of genuine laughs and good reads here.
I do notice you seem to have a lot of issues with other hosts pricing, and what you need to understand is everyone has completely different economies of scale or "levers" to pull. Some hosts own a ton of IPv4, or own their hardware and just pay colo costs, etc. Some hosts are okay with a larger customer base and thinner margins, some are complete opposite. Whatever it is, it shouldn't be your concern. You should be focusing on your stack.
It's tough to say. Almost everything put out as a real special/limited/etc is low enough margin to "not be worth it" but if you can grab additional value (supporting active community, additional word-of-mouth advertising, exposing your relatively new services to a wider audience, etc) it's absolutely a monstrous opportunity just waiting for you. My point of view: I'd rather subsidize some cool VDS deals to active community members and eventually get a w.o.m rec on reddit, other forums, e-mail, etc rather than pay adwords for bot traffic. The trade-off is that (my experience) most actual and active forum members are excellent. Polite, helpful, fun.
There is truth to paying more to ensure stability versus an obvious deadpool-tier deal, but I'd probably look for limits on the sale/history of seller. There's also no reason you can't just ask a host. I remember years back being asked, and it was relatively simple to explain in our situation.
Now I'm confused. However, that community and the other one just like it was responsible for 99% of the bullshit that made me want to never post another deal again to LE* forums at large. There are some very nice and normal users there, but there is a massive flock of abusive, angry, disrespectful, and fraudulent users.
Thank you. There are many of us who sometimes complain, but we're ignored because we're not premium.
Enough with the mediocre providers with ridiculous plans!
The rules of the game.
So yes, many hosts here are of poor quality. And often a waste of time and money. Whether it's a lack of skills, no business model / no plan to achieve profitability or simply outright scams.
But there are also quite a few exceptions.
The market is oversaturated.
Complaints about stricter rules for providers allowed to advertise here are nothing new.
But there are quite a few hosts that meet the criteria you gave, which I think are decent. So it's not that easy to filter.
You are selling vps based on ryzen cpu, so you can't compare the offers you are able to make with providers that use epyc or xeon... You are limited by the memory, they aren't.
I understand, but I'd like you to explain to me a $7-a-year plan with ridiculous plans, or 16 GB RAM plans for $10 a month. Tell me, is it profitable?
It's not the client's fault that you have extra because you don't sell or things that are profitable.
It's not profitable. Give us an example with a number so we can all see it, and if so, I'll apologize publicly.
We can't allow summer providers who hire a dedicated employee for 1-3 months and advertise ridiculous promotions for $1 a month and then close down. That's not acceptable!
Sigh. Can we close this thread as an example?
Do you think this post is wrong? Please tell us if it's wrong with any other post so we can all see how incorrect it is.
I will change my mind if you get mods to like this comment.
Like this comment from any mod = permission to open new thread and poll about banning @CharityHost_org.
Follow-up expecting? None. I just want to have fun and see how community votes.
I shouldn't need to explain anything to you, it's your business to decide if you want to participate. Nobody is making you post an offer. It absolutely can be profitable, it just might not be for you. It also depends if you're redirecting any other 'ad spend' money right back into your (new) customers.
It's not up to "us" to allow it, it's up to the community to vet, risk assess, and take a chance. There have been many relatively "high-profile" deadpools that also passed all sorts of checks, vetting, and multiple years in business. The best bet is to talk to the host, learn their stack, find out their approach, and see what is going on. I see the numbers for many downstreams and I am positive plenty of them are likely more profitable per U than we would be on average.
I don't expect any follow-up at all. I know no one will give it any importance and will simply ignore it because they're carried away by the price.
Many users say the administrators won't say anything because of the traffic it brings them!
Regards
Well @Calin still bringing on hella traffic and he got side rammed. At least our friend @crunchbits sent him a t-shirt. I’m jelly
@nohavps thank you for posting this thread. I agree with you 100%.
We use to offer $7/year deal in LET, but from mid-2017 we had stopped offering such VPS package. It was not profitable or worth the time offering VPS at such prices when the IP price got increased by a lot. We are still honoring clients who are renewing the $7/year or such VPS package.
People would open tickets or contact me and ask me why I am not able to offer this VPS package for specific price, when other providers offering at lower prices. They would say they can get 5-10 VPS for the price I would offer
Unfortunately, the average user isn't drawn to reliable providers because of their track record, but rather because of their price. I've seen plans for $1-$2 per month. Is that not premium or profitable when you see that provider's topics with more than 30 pages, when everyone complains and the provider just ignores them?
Call me a problematic provider for not participating in this, but it's unfortunate to see providers accepting ridiculous plans. I hope they don't continue to allow summer promotions from providers to be published; in the end, the customer only wastes their time and data.
Quality costs the customer.
Community traffic is free when this type of content is allowed.
Imagine providers with 22k, clients knowing they did wrong over 50 pages, and you give them a gift.
Massivegrid gives 4 years, knowing they won't even last 2 years, but oh well.
Greetings,
We're saying goodbye to this community. We cannot participate in these types of plans, nor will we renew our tag.
Greetings to all our customers.
Our numbers will tell us how well we're doing our job.
This is why Deadpool. We all know.
Ask them in 2 years if any of those 5-10 VPSes are still online with at least 99.0% uptime.
The tag is $100 right... Offset that against time wasted on this thread... $100 is basically free if you use the exposure to your advantage.
Don't overthink it... Don't get emotion involved. It's just cheap marketing for some, others will Deadpool. It's up to the community to filter out the bad actors. In my experience, it kinda works and has been working for a long time.
As a client get your expectations right. Do some DD and you'll be alright. If you don't, 99% of the time that's upon the client.