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mw · March 2025

@ahnlak said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

Which is fine until you send a massive attachment to anyone else and their mail server rejects it for being massive.

Seriously, use the right tool for the job - nobody wants 150MB attachments outside of internal networks.

What tool should I use to convert 15 years worth of attachments? Name one?

I don't think I've sent an email to a single person in that time that had an issue opening large attachments.

mw · March 2025

@Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

Go open a ticket and I’ll bump it.

Francisco

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Francisco · March 2025

@mw said:

@ahnlak said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

Which is fine until you send a massive attachment to anyone else and their mail server rejects it for being massive.

Seriously, use the right tool for the job - nobody wants 150MB attachments outside of internal networks.

What tool should I use to convert 15 years worth of attachments? Name one?

I don't think I've sent an email to a single person in that time that had an issue opening large attachments.

It’s more sending them to other hosts.

Anyway, I’ll bump you.

Francisco

NameCrane · March 2025

@XNQ said:
@Francisco - regarding the "free eM client pro"; if I buy a $10/y plan I basically get a free eM client pro licesnse I can use for all my email accounts, even not hosted with Namecrane?

And can you change or remove and re-add other primary domains on accounts later on?

Yes on the license. It's a pro license that can be used on 3 devices (windows/mac) and you can plug whatever accounts you want into it.

And yeah, you can remove/add domains to your account.

qamarulhassan · March 2025

@NameCrane said: No on marketing emails. We've allowed some transactional, but even have banned a few users there because they don't use captchas and other things on forms - so you end up with crazy bounce rates and other things that harm our sending.

Thanks

WindsOfChange · March 2025

Is 600 emails/hour enough business emailing needs?

I have some domains exceeding 1000/hour... so these offers are not suitable for business emailing?

Francisco · March 2025

@WindsOfChange said:
Is 600 emails/hour enough business emailing needs?

I have some domains exceeding 1000/hour... so these offers are not suitable for business emailing?

Are you sending 1000/h to external domains or is that internal? You can ticket and we can increase on a per domain basis, we just need info on what you’re sending.

Francisco

hyperblast · March 2025

@Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG> @Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Yeah for free email services like Gmail.

Office 365/Enterprise is 150MB for a reason. Some slide decks I have are larger than your limit so I can't sync over now.

Go open a ticket and I’ll bump it.

Francisco

sounds promising. maybe i should open a ticket once i have ordered namecrane europa... you know what i mean.

TimboJones · March 2025

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@ServerBachelor said:

@hyperblast said:
perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

CraneMail Lifetime 250G
250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
15 Primary Domains

$69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

CraneMail Lifetime 500G
500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
50 Primary Domains

15 primary domains = 69,42$
50 primary domains = 138,84$

it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

(If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

ok.

in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

He's already answered this several times before, so this comes off as badgering.

hyperblast · March 2025

@Francisco said:

@WindsOfChange said:
Is 600 emails/hour enough business emailing needs?

I have some domains exceeding 1000/hour... so these offers are not suitable for business emailing?

Are you sending 1000/h to external domains or is that internal? You can ticket and we can increase on a per domain basis, we just need info on what you’re sending.

Francisco

I like this behavior!

hyperblast · March 2025

@TimboJones said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@ServerBachelor said:

@hyperblast said:
perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

CraneMail Lifetime 250G
250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
15 Primary Domains

$69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

CraneMail Lifetime 500G
500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
50 Primary Domains

15 primary domains = 69,42$
50 primary domains = 138,84$

it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

(If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

ok.

in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

He's already answered this several times before, so this comes off as badgering.

I also consider your answer to be harassment.

Francisco · March 2025

@TimboJones said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@ServerBachelor said:

@hyperblast said:
perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

CraneMail Lifetime 250G
250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
15 Primary Domains

$69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

CraneMail Lifetime 500G
500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
50 Primary Domains

15 primary domains = 69,42$
50 primary domains = 138,84$

it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

(If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

ok.

in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

He's already answered this several times before, so this comes off as badgering.

They lost nothing in us increasing domains on 500g+ plans. They’re just going to press on it and then probably get sacked by Karen at signup time for one reason or another.

They keep at it non stop all the time that we are more likely to never do it just out of spite or to say we give in and they keep it up for whatever the next thing is.

If they asked once and let it be it may have already happened.

Francisco

TimboJones · March 2025

@Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Less and less common. Nowadays, in business, if you can't do 50MB, it generally reflects poorly when two of the other companies in the email thread don't have such issues.

Looks like Microsoft 365 is 150MB and gmail is send 25MB and receive 50MB. I suppose 25 would be ok so long as Receiving 50MB was there.

Francisco · March 2025

@TimboJones said:

@Francisco said:

@mw said:
Do you guys limit message/attachment sizes to 30MB? I'm hitting errors when syncing over:

46 BAD Cannot upload message, TOOBIG

Fairly sure 25mb is the common max?

That’s why the file storage exists

Francisco

Less and less common. Nowadays, in business, if you can't do 50MB, it generally reflects poorly when two of the other companies in the email thread don't have such issues.

Looks like Microsoft 365 is 150MB and gmail is send 25MB and receive 50MB. I suppose 25 would be ok so long as Receiving 50MB was there.

Mike increased to 50mb which is the SM limit for now. It used to be higher but they recently tuned it down since almost no one accepts it.

Francisco

TimboJones · March 2025

@hyperblast said:

@TimboJones said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@ServerBachelor said:

@hyperblast said:
perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

CraneMail Lifetime 250G
250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
15 Primary Domains

$69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

CraneMail Lifetime 500G
500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
50 Primary Domains

15 primary domains = 69,42$
50 primary domains = 138,84$

it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

(If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

ok.

in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

He's already answered this several times before, so this comes off as badgering.

I also consider your answer to be harassment.

That says more about you than me.

hyperblast · March 2025

@Francisco said:

@TimboJones said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@angstrom said:

@hyperblast said:

@ServerBachelor said:

@hyperblast said:
perhaps cranemail europe will make a sensible and fair adjustment to the domains that can be assigned to the entry-level package?!

What's wrong with the domain assignments currently (haven't bought anything yet)?

CraneMail Lifetime 250G
250GB Combined Mail & File Storage
15 Primary Domains

$69.42* Lifetime Deal - One-Time Payment - Order Here

CraneMail Lifetime 500G
500GB Combined Mail & File Storage
50 Primary Domains

15 primary domains = 69,42$
50 primary domains = 138,84$

it would be fair to either raise the price to 25 for the 250G plan or to lower the price (especially for long-term customers who have a “Premier Account Status”?) @Francisco

But just to note that the current situation isn't unfair

Elsewhere in the real world, it's common practice that if one purchases more of a product X, then the relative unit price of X decreases. For example, if I purchase one white-board marker, then I pay more for this marker than if I purchase a package of four white-board markers, relative to the unit price per marker

In a similar way, if I purchase the (smaller) package CraneMail Lifetime 250G, then I pay more for one primary domain than if I purchase the (bigger) package CraneMail Lifetime 500G

(If CraneMail Lifetime 500G offered 15 or fewer primary domains, then I would better understand the impression of unfairness)

if your fanboy logic is correct, then it would have to get cheaper and cheaper from the Lifetime 250G package onwards, or if the prices remained the same in comparison to 250G, more features would have to be added in order to emphasize your view via the “argument” - 'the higher the number of units, the lower the price per unit (here GB, domains)'.
i don't understand why the smallest package is the “worst” (it's only about the domains).

It's not "fanboy logic", because I'm not a "fanboy" and nor is it "logic" in the usual sense of the term

In a market economy, people try to sell products for prices that they think that people are willing to pay

When you speak of "fairness", you seem to be assuming some background principle such as "The pricing of products should scale perfectly with their size", but there's no such principle in a market economy

You're free to believe in such a principle if you want, but it doesn't follow that everyone believes in this principle

ok.

in the end, my comments serve to make @Francisco maybe just think again.

He's already answered this several times before, so this comes off as badgering.

They lost nothing in us increasing domains on 500g+ plans. They’re just going to press on it and then probably get sacked by Karen at signup time for one reason or another.

They keep at it non stop all the time that we are more likely to never do it just out of spite or to say we give in and they keep it up for whatever the next thing is.

If they asked once and let it be it may have already happened.

Francisco

i admit that would have been cleverer. well, never mind.

klaus · March 2025

hay,
@spamfilter
Will mx1.mxfiler.net stay in UK? Will there be mx3 in NL?

Francisco · March 2025

@klaus said:
hay,
@spamfilter
Will mx1.mxfiler.net stay in UK? Will there be mx3 in NL?

We think for gdpr reasons to move it to NL. Then we can set it up so all incoming and outgoing email happens within EU. You would have to set the Mx records to region specific ones, but it’s on the list of possibles.

Francisco

rcy026 · March 2025

@mw said:

What tool should I use to convert 15 years worth of attachments? Name one?

Common sense? Oh, sorry, if you had that tool you would not have this problem.

I don't think I've sent an email to a single person in that time that had an issue opening large attachments.

If you sent a 150MB attachment to me I would have no problem opening it. I would open it in notepad, print out all the pages, staple them together and fucking slap you in the face with it.

mw · March 2025

@rcy026 said:

@mw said:

What tool should I use to convert 15 years worth of attachments? Name one?

Common sense? Oh, sorry, if you had that tool you would not have this problem.

I don't think I've sent an email to a single person in that time that had an issue opening large attachments.

If you sent a 150MB attachment to me I would have no problem opening it. I would open it in notepad, print out all the pages, staple them together and fucking slap you in the face with it.

aren't you a ray of sunshine. a deck for a €800Mn LBO we prepared last year was 22MB. but three revisions included in a .ZIP pushed the attachment size up

if only more billionaire bankers were young hot blooded IT pros like you i wouldn't be forced to attach-on-email

anyway, thanks @Francisco. all sorted now

rcy026 · March 2025

@mw said:

if only more billionaire bankers were young hot blooded IT pros like you i wouldn't be forced to attach-on-email

If you knew me you would know that I'm closer to a billionaire banker than a young hot blooded IT pro.
Actually, young IT pro's are usually the ones that try to email files. People that has been around for a while knows that that is not what email is for.

mw · March 2025

@rcy026 said:

@mw said:

if only more billionaire bankers were young hot blooded IT pros like you i wouldn't be forced to attach-on-email

If you knew me you would know that I'm closer to a billionaire banker than a young hot blooded IT pro.
Actually, young IT pro's are usually the ones that try to email files. People that has been around for a while knows that that is not what email is for.

alr

Francisco · March 2025

Guys, take it elsewhere.

Thanks,

Francisco

ypmLA77zcs · March 2025

@Francisco said:

...

Mike increased to 50mb which is the SM limit for now. It used to be higher but they recently tuned it down since almost no one accepts it.

Francisco

So is this for everybody now?

Francisco · March 2025

@ypmLA77zcs said: So is this for everybody now?

Yes, it should be globally applied.

Francisco

hqin · March 2025

Invoice #21826

Payment Sent, It's Not Fraud

yermak · March 2025

I am very green in mail handling. I don't understand the difference between US and EU

If I have some domains and what I want is to be able to receive/send mail using them

What is the difference between having an account in the US or in the EU?

edip · March 2025

I can't make rclone work reliably neither with Kopia nor Duplicati. I'm sad.

Gulf · March 2025

@yermak said:
What is the difference between having an account in the US or in the EU?

Mail will load faster for you in the EU if you live nearby.
Gmail, MS send from the US, so will take 300-500 ms more to deliver mail to your inbox.
Outbound mail deliverability is nearly the same, except some marginal mailboxes block EU (while allowing US), but you will unlikely ever encounter them.

rcy026 · March 2025

@yermak said:
I am very green in mail handling. I don't understand the difference between US and EU

If I have some domains and what I want is to be able to receive/send mail using them

What is the difference between having an account in the US or in the EU?

In some cases it's legal. Some countries have laws that say that your information can not be stored outside of the EU or in some cases even outside a certain country.
Also, lately a lot of people is kind of hesitant to deal with the US at all, things being as they are.

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