EasyVM Deadpools, Hardware & IPs Sold To PureVoltage

Nyr · March 2025

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

cybertech · March 2025

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

why would you be coerced into providing 7 dollah deals?

conversely, if you feel you should be priced at a certain level, why? what value do you add as a provider?

expensive providers arent immune to deadpooling, just less of it that is seen.

MikePT · March 2025

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

How nice of you, a little bird told you that, hum? Let's now point the guns at me. You're more shady than 99% of the people here.

MikePT · March 2025

@jsg said:

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

I call BS! @MikePT

did explain how he arrived in a dark corner, here the OP did not.

MikePT's products were not untenable per se, but unexpected circumstances got him into a spot that was too tight

"he was a moderator here at the time" - so what? Is there a law or a LET rule that mods must run always, no matter what profitable operation? Plus, I bet you that @jbiloh didn't know. And as soon as it became clear MikePT informed all of us right away publicly.

MikePT did inform not only his customers but all of us early on and openly

owning no gear nor IPs (if that even true, Idk) is a valid approach albeit, granted, not the best one IMO

MikePT, you forgot to mention that, also did support for HostSolution - and that improved response time and quality of HS's support a lot and made many LETsters happy. In other words: MikePT was and still is a nice, not egomaniac, and well liked guy here.

Finally I don't remember ever hearing a word from @jar about regretting having helped MikePT and his customers. Maybe that's due to MikePT's former operations not being all that worthless or maybe it's just because of jar's big heart, Idk and consider both possible.

Thanks jsg, I see MyW at a failed attempt, not like mxroute.io was for example, which was acquired by MailChannels directly. Shit happens, shit hits the fan, that's life. I won't be doing any more hosting stuff (cPanel, DA, you name it), but I'll have ventures on the datacenter world and so on.
@jar has indeed saved MyW, as charity.

SirFoxy · March 2025

@MikePT said:

@jsg said:

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

I call BS! @MikePT

did explain how he arrived in a dark corner, here the OP did not.

MikePT's products were not untenable per se, but unexpected circumstances got him into a spot that was too tight

"he was a moderator here at the time" - so what? Is there a law or a LET rule that mods must run always, no matter what profitable operation? Plus, I bet you that @jbiloh didn't know. And as soon as it became clear MikePT informed all of us right away publicly.

MikePT did inform not only his customers but all of us early on and openly

owning no gear nor IPs (if that even true, Idk) is a valid approach albeit, granted, not the best one IMO

MikePT, you forgot to mention that, also did support for HostSolution - and that improved response time and quality of HS's support a lot and made many LETsters happy. In other words: MikePT was and still is a nice, not egomaniac, and well liked guy here.

Finally I don't remember ever hearing a word from @jar about regretting having helped MikePT and his customers. Maybe that's due to MikePT's former operations not being all that worthless or maybe it's just because of jar's big heart, Idk and consider both possible.

Thanks jsg, I see MyW at a failed attempt, not like mxroute.io was for example, which was acquired by MailChannels directly. Shit happens, shit hits the fan, that's life. I won't be doing any more hosting stuff (cPanel, DA, you name it), but I'll have ventures on the datacenter world and so on.
@jar has indeed saved MyW, as charity.

mxroute.io was a moderate success that became much more successful in the iteration without you. And it obviously wasn’t sold for much because those funds ran out quick.

Anyway, shouldn’t you be… working? You talk a lot about your kids/dog/aunty/cousins on here like it’s GoFundMe. How about you go get a job instead. Pick up that shovel and break your back, quit crying baby boy.

MikePT · March 2025

@SirFoxy said:

@MikePT said:

@jsg said:

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

I call BS! @MikePT

did explain how he arrived in a dark corner, here the OP did not.

MikePT's products were not untenable per se, but unexpected circumstances got him into a spot that was too tight

"he was a moderator here at the time" - so what? Is there a law or a LET rule that mods must run always, no matter what profitable operation? Plus, I bet you that @jbiloh didn't know. And as soon as it became clear MikePT informed all of us right away publicly.

MikePT did inform not only his customers but all of us early on and openly

owning no gear nor IPs (if that even true, Idk) is a valid approach albeit, granted, not the best one IMO

MikePT, you forgot to mention that, also did support for HostSolution - and that improved response time and quality of HS's support a lot and made many LETsters happy. In other words: MikePT was and still is a nice, not egomaniac, and well liked guy here.

Finally I don't remember ever hearing a word from @jar about regretting having helped MikePT and his customers. Maybe that's due to MikePT's former operations not being all that worthless or maybe it's just because of jar's big heart, Idk and consider both possible.

Thanks jsg, I see MyW at a failed attempt, not like mxroute.io was for example, which was acquired by MailChannels directly. Shit happens, shit hits the fan, that's life. I won't be doing any more hosting stuff (cPanel, DA, you name it), but I'll have ventures on the datacenter world and so on.
@jar has indeed saved MyW, as charity.

mxroute.io was a moderate success that became much more successful in the iteration without you. And it obviously wasn’t sold for much because those funds ran out quick.

Anyway, shouldn’t you be… working? You talk a lot about your kids/dog/aunty/cousins on here like it’s GoFundMe. How about you go get a job instead. Pick up that shovel and break your back, quit crying baby boy.

You don't know what you're talking about.

HostDoc · March 2025

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

barbaros · March 2025

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Well that's what's business is called right? Being successful and surviving in the industry by getting new customers in any profitable way possible, without deadpooling.

Nyr · March 2025

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

emgh · March 2025

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd of low value wanting cheap deals

allthemtings · March 2025

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

wadhah · March 2025

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd of low value wanting cheap deals

I have made a full report on these low value, undesirables and saved it to my 2.98/y vps.

But it's currently down so I can't provide that information.

emgh · March 2025

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

emgh · March 2025

@wadhah said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd of low value wanting cheap deals

I have made a full report on these low value, undesirables and saved it to my 2.98/y vps.

But it's currently down so I can't provide that information.

Please do let me know when it’s back up my it s so excite for know

allthemtings · March 2025

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

emgh · March 2025

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

barbaros · March 2025

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd of low value wanting cheap deals

His name doesn't come to my mind. Someone from Denmark or Sviden or smth.

allthemtings · March 2025

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

emgh · March 2025

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd of low value wanting cheap deals

His name doesn't come to my mind. Someone from Denmark or Sviden or smth.

Ah! Must be either Karl Storkuk or @Decicus (close anyway)

barbaros · March 2025

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

That looks like Swedenya flag.

emgh · March 2025

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

Did you know I’m going there btw

barbaros · March 2025

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

Did you know I’m going there btw

Really? You never mentioned that before.

allthemtings · March 2025

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

Did you know I’m going there btw

emgh · March 2025

@barbaros said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

That looks like Swedenya flag.

Brudda u blind

rcy026 · March 2025

@HostDoc said:
Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

If "full price" was reasonable and the provider was selling something I want, absolutely.

I might be a bit different but personally I actively avoid providers with no history that shows up with promotional offers that are clearly unsustainable. It's simple math for me: a brand new provider that sells something that he makes zero profit on, sometimes not even covering his own costs, is not going to be around for long. It's impossible, it's just not happening. An established provider with a big enough user base that pays full price might be able to do limited promotions like that from time to time and still absorb the costs, but a brand new one with no previous customers? No.

I'm not trying to blame the users, the responsibility is completely with the provider, but sometimes it's just so obvious where the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted" came from.

emgh · March 2025

@barbaros said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

Flagged for not being english

Did you know I’m going there btw

Really? You never mentioned that before.

For a month btw

Blembim · March 2025

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

the structure of this sentense is certified cute lol

emgh · March 2025

@Blembim said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

the structure of this sentense is certified cute lol

Yes but the meaning is rude and hopefully bannable.

Blembim · March 2025

@emgh said:

@Blembim said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

the structure of this sentense is certified cute lol

Yes but the meaning is rude and hopefully bannable.

The "direct" translate is rude but for local its like 2 girls kissing shitting each others lol

emgh · March 2025

@Blembim said:

@emgh said:

@Blembim said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@allthemtings said:

@emgh said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@Nyr said:

@HostDoc said:

@ethanblake87 said:

@HostDoc said:
There will be hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent chargebacks now that the cat is out of the bag that billing is a mess but the service will continue.

@ethanblake87 said:

@MikePT said:

@Ian_Dot_Tech said:

@MichaelCee said:

@wdmg said: The dirty part is EasyVM selling the hardware and IPs without the clients attached. That’s some scummy shit without a doubt.

That's the kicker. The customers not being attached contractually but the data is included anyway. I.E EasyVM leaked customer data to another company. I think more clarification is needed.

Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored.

We are committed to keeping your personal information safe. However, if you do not wish for your data to be stored on our systems, please let us know, and we will delete the associated services and information.

Thank you for doing this. Ignore those who are attacking you about data protection liability blablabla. You're doing them a favor, it's not your fault.

Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

You are on LET.
It seems a huge expectation here is waiting for the inevitable deadpool. Why so hostile when expectations are met?

@SirFoxy said:

@MichaelCee said:

@ethanblake87 said:
Weren't you also the rat who sold air and left the sinking ship??

Not exactly comparable. Mike at least made an announcement of closure and didn't sell off servers with customer data secretly hidden onboard without any plans to even tell anybody..

He used his kids and office supplies as an excuse to sell lifetime offers then deadpooled. A little birdy told me the ratio was something like 95% lifetime customers to 5% recurring customers. The worst part is he was a moderator here at the time.

And for the record it’s the exact same situation except Mike owned no gear or IPs. There was nothing to buy, @jar was just providing absolute charity.

Presidents have done worse.
Trusted school teachers have done worse.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill!

Are you talking about your own experience?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hostdoc.co.uk

Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.

Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.

To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.

Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.

The responsibility when creating clearly unsustainable deals lies entirely on the provider. Customers with common sense will avoid such deals, but the provider is at fault for refusing to use a calculator.

No need to talk about coercion (lol) trying to make excuses and get some sympathy. Plenty of decent providers are apparently able to avoid such coercion you talk about.

Indeed! I fully agree.

Okay, if a new provider came here today with zero history and no promotional offers, would you purchase a service at full price?

Unsustainable offers would not make me purchase either. Quite the opposite actually.

But I understand that's what a majority of providers here do, and what is encouraged by a loud crowd of low value, undesirable customers.

@barbaros @allthemtings @beanman109 @wadhah do you guys have any idea who might be part of this loud crowd wanting cheap deals

Yeah, you pal

I fit the cheap deals part but you fit the low value part so in a way together we’re a perfect match

หุบปากซะ นังตัวเล็ก

the structure of this sentense is certified cute lol

Yes but the meaning is rude and hopefully bannable.

The "direct" translate is rude but for local its like 2 girls kissing shitting each others lol

I don’t trust this

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