New on LowEndTalk? Please Register and read our Community Rules.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
Comments
It doesn’t take value of user data and value of monthly recurring revenue from these users into account. Non-profitable users will get dumped. The profitable users are not worthless, that’s the value that’s being extracted. They want you to think it’s charity but it really isn’t.
What was profitable from EasyVM? Not a single thing there was even close to sustainable.
.
Your only 3 comments are defending PV and bashing EasyVM.
And I made it clear that I'm biased - that doesn't mean I'm wrong. What's your point?
You have a vested interest in steering the conversation away from the faults of your friend. Which is why I highlighted your "ian is a friend" quote so other users are made aware.
Since they want to keep some services and dump some others, I have to assume it’s the ones losing money that they intend to get rid of. They bssically said this themselves, it’s not some sort of conspiracy.
I made others aware myself by flat-out stating that Ian is my friend. Of course I have an interest in protecting him - the same way you had an interest in unsustainably priced servers, shown by your first comment ("Okay, no refunds then? Will you continue to provide service at the same recurring prices to the easyvm customers?")
I cannot seriously believe you want your piss-cheap VPS refunded. If you need the money that bad, just drop your Litecoin address and I'll send it your way.
Wow! I'm shocked that the host that couldn't pay colocation bills and that offered servers cheaper than the IPs on them is now defunct! I hope the people purchasing the only assets of value from the company can offer me the same pricing, so I can leech off of them too - and refund me out of their own pockets!
@abubakr you miss out on all of the aspects brought up and you’re now arguing against thin air, you can do better I’m sure.
If you don’t think taking the user data, keeping what’s profitable, refusing to refund yet saying it’s fraud to chargeback without letting them know (I think this was the point, not sure), notifying of this through Discord, AFTER the fact, etc. If you don’t think anything here is wrong, say so. But don’t argue in bad spirit.
Stop hiding behind an alt account if you want to make representations.
Sure thing. The total is 59.97$. Please send my refund to this address:
M89Uu7mUUyMgvkcuL47AqRJGimqKxPbpYiThat is the EFF's donation wallet..
I will confirm once the money is recieved in this thread.
Who do you expect to refund in this situation? It sure as hell cannot be PureVoltage, can it? Now, I personally disagree with the claim that it's fraud to chargeback on this, but I've seen how the acquisition of EasyVM's assets has gone, and I can do nothing but empathize with Ian. This is an absolute shitshow - but I personally believe that's EasyVM's fault, and that PV handled it quite well.
I'm not an alt account - I've never used LowEndTalk before yesterday.
Sent - d78a54c69a8e0c9a66c7888db0d8a7d75520f198ae01d55449681f38d785c2e7.
Now we’re talking. I didn’t personally expect there to be any refunds, but since the service is a direct consequence of the payment (that’s how I understood his point about fraud), in my mind, that should leave them with the lisbility to provide the service purchased, in the location purchased, or otherwise refund.
They can’t not have bought the clients with said liabilities when it suits them, but keep the good parts.
I wonder what EasyVM was going to do had PureVoltage not kept the client data and actually wiped the servers?
"We're sorry there was data loss, we're closing down as a result"?
As Ian stated, "Our agreement covered the IPs and hardware owned by EasyVM. When our staff discovered that the customer's hosted data was being discarded, we requested the WHMCS details to ensure clients could recover their hosted data. We believed that most customers would appreciate having their data restored and their services honored."
If this is true, and the agreement only covered IPs and hardware, I believe everyone on here is just acting entitled towards the wrong person.
Friends of Jack and Ian will just keep portraying PureVoltage as charitable company. No one is saying PureVoltage did something bad or wrong. They did what a business has to do, do anything to get more money.
Majority of people in this thread (apart from boot lickers and friends of Jack and Ian) treats like PureVoltage is a saint or a charity. that's what me and others against for. They didn't do any charitable cause, they just took away the EasyVM customers' data for free. And will use it for their own company, which any company would do the same.
If EasyVM wiped the data before selling or PureVoltage wiped the data after buying the hardware then everyone would blame the customers for being idiots and not backing up their data (which is a good point by the way).
Edit: To add, I am not a customer of EasyVM nor PureVoltage and I wouldn't touch either of them even with a ten foot pole. I am just stating in case someone thinks I have interest or loss from this event.
Then I cannot see how it could possibly be fraud to chargeback and not let this completely unrelated company know. I also cannot possibly see how it’s legal for him to use this data to keep clients who are profitable. It’s clear to me he wants it both ways.
Confirmed. Thank you for your donation.
And to what emgh said:
"I also cannot possibly see how it’s legal for him to use this data to keep clients who are profitable"
If they're agreeing to serve all outstanding contracts, entirely out of pocket, with no obligation to renew, does that not appear to be relatively charitable? Additionally, are those customers, however few they may be, going to stick around long enough to offset the expense of the outstanding contracts? I don't know how big EasyVM was, but realistically, I don't think that'll happen, no?
Thanks for choosing a charity instead of receiving the funds for yourself.
As at this point, I am pretty sure you have more knowledge about the deal conditions, I won't argue with you.
We don't know how much is paid for hardware and IPs right? If they got it for dirt cheap then most likely keeping the customers for renewal date would make sense. Considering now they can use those resources for their own paying customers with more sensible prices.
We also don't know the percentage of customers that has an acceptable and deadpool deal right?
Or do you mean 99% of the customers on these servers are on 20$/year dedi deals and they will keep them renewing as long as they want?
If yes, then I would call them a charity and saint.
I mean, it depends. There probably won’t be TONS of people that’ll stay on, but they already had the hardware. It wouldn’t be 100 % sold out from day one. They may now slowly use the hardware of people who’re not profitable that they won’t renew as well as hardware of people who just don’t renew for new deployments.
If what youMre saying is true, this hardware will become free relatively soon, maybe not much later than they’d be able to sell it anyway, so it’s not that big of a cost I don’t think.
And in hosting, maybe not in very lowend hosting, but at least in hosting overall, clients are worth tons. Hosting companies are willing so pay so much that they lose over a years worth of revenue if I recall the affiliate rewards correctly (it’s been a while).
I can admit I don’t think they’ll make that much from it, but if all this hardware couldn’t be sold out straight away, day #1 anyway, which I don’t think, I don’t see them losing much doing things like this anyway.
And lots of new client data, if they intend to keep this, which I expect, increases their value, which I’d like to think would offset any small hit to the potential revenue had they leased this out straight away.
My tl;dr is basically: kindness? maybe. charity? NO.
I call BS! @MikePT
Finally I don't remember ever hearing a word from @jar about regretting having helped MikePT and his customers. Maybe that's due to MikePT's former operations not being all that worthless or maybe it's just because of jar's big heart, Idk and consider both possible.
Is this Putin’s alt or not? I’m still not sure.
Very disappointed in you, @aqua . I fell for your cute doggo, shame on me I guess.
@PureVoltage or @Ian_Dot_Tech or who else is currently running this show; What about users of the '5555 Plan', will it be renewed or not? If not, I would like to know now, not when the renewal is due.
Thanks and reguards.
Bro did mike ever post a sales thread that didn't start with a story as to why he needed to sell a specific amount of lifetime offers this time? Can't pay rent, need to sell 27. Bought a dog and can't feed it, need to sell 13. Cat needs surgery, need to sell 41.
From one summerhost to another, but now with a much inferior network (RIP GSL). Good luck to all remaining EasyVM customers. Looking back on all the statements made by both parties, it is clear there is some lying coming from either one or both sides.
But look on the bright side, your VMs are now located within PV's private suite (did you know they have a private suite btw)
I didn't know they had a private suite, wow, they must be really cool... (BTW, did you know they had a private suite?)
Did you know they have an outdated advertising banner at the bottom of this website too?
No
That's a great question, and thank you for reaching out. To be perfectly frank, management and myself have been working to bring all customers online. It has been our primary focus since the incident happened. I am not at all familiar with each plan, it just has not been a focus at this time. As soon as things settle down and customers have been restored, I will work with management to get that answer. I can only promise as soon as I know more, I will reach out to you or post back on here.
Sure, if that is what you want to use as a guiding example.
Life happens! This is LowEndTalk, where providers are coerced to provide unsustainable deals ($5,$7). It is possible to still see a profit but at the sacrifice of employing staff, improving the infrastructure etc.
Just a glance on bgp.tools tells a lot about the direction this may have headed for EasyVM.
To me, there is a difference between deadpooling with intent and deadpooling due to mismanagement.
Rather than calling someone a rat because they failed, manage your expectation if it does happen.