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Anexia moves 12,000 VMs off VMware to homebrew KVM platform -Netcub

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  • ksekse Member

    @sreekanth850 said:
    IMO they should opensource the migraton tool and allow others to do the same!

    The question is if any other company would actually have a benefit from that. What i understood is that they managed the vms from the own control panel (anexia-engine), that speaks to the api of vmware, so the customers did not had to access the official vmware tooling at all.

    So i think they mostly integrated their tooling into the existing own webpanel that manages the vms using the api. Also they used the netcup kvm stack and extended it for the special needs for the anexia customers. so i guess the engine now also communicates to the netcup based kvm stack. on the anexia specific infrastructure.

    As long as you don't run a standard setup, you have so much special cases to cover and adopt to, that a solution like this has to be tailored to this one specific setup and can't easily adopted to any other company

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  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @kevinds said:

    @wadhah said:
    So imagine you were paying 1000 a month. Now you have to pay 60,000 (for a year in advance at 500% increase). That is absolutely insane.

    120,000 because they say 2-years in advance

    Correction..

    1,000/month, a 500% increase would be 6,000/month, 72,000/year, 144,000/2years.

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  • @kse said:

    @DennisdeWit said:
    I strongly believe mr. Tan lost his mind.

    Actually he did not. In Germany we call companies like Broadcom "Heuschrecke" (financial locusts)
    Mr Tan paid like what 61B USD for VMware. Thats a big investment. All Broadcom is now doing is focused on getting a very quick ROI while they milk all the customers that are trapped in the VMware ecosystem. You can see that on the extreme high price increase of 700-900%, Switching from monthly payment to yearly payment and switching from monthly contracts to 2 or 3 years contracts.

    This will generate a heavy cash flow for Broadcom. A lot of company's will be trapped there for the next 5 years or so. Not many company's have skilled developers, system admins and engineers that can quickly build a tooling around libvirt/qemu/kvm that brings all the needed features. A Lot of company's build up infrastructure like that based on consulting companies and only employee one or two system administrators to take care of the daily business. They don't have the manpower to get out from Broadcom quickly. For them they are more ore less hostages to broadcom currently.

    They might hire the consulting again to build something new, but it will take time.

    Broadcom will make a lot of money with VMware in the next 5 years. Then they are going to sell it, shortly before the customers can get out of that hostage situation.

    That means: $$$ for the Broadcom managers and Shareholders. Thats all what counts for people like Mr. Tan.

    This.

    However, let's not forget that even giants can sink the ship. This can very well happen. They've ended the perpetual licenses etc which were saving costs for giant corporations, and they're unlikely to spend money renewing expensive licenses all the time.

    The question is, is VMware worth it? It is, but may not be for everyone. They got a lot of money to pay back though, 61B USD for VMware is just nuts.

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  • @kse said:

    @sreekanth850 said:
    IMO they should opensource the migraton tool and allow others to do the same!

    The question is if any other company would actually have a benefit from that. What i understood is that they managed the vms from the own control panel (anexia-engine), that speaks to the api of vmware, so the customers did not had to access the official vmware tooling at all.

    So i think they mostly integrated their tooling into the existing own webpanel that manages the vms using the api. Also they used the netcup kvm stack and extended it for the special needs for the anexia customers. so i guess the engine now also communicates to the netcup based kvm stack. on the anexia specific infrastructure.

    As long as you don't run a standard setup, you have so much special cases to cover and adopt to, that a solution like this has to be tailored to this one specific setup and can't easily adopted to any other company

    Yes! They used their custom UI on the top of VM ware, so users might not have difference in ux. Only thing was minor downtime.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    ... and their (relatively) recent "Vmware now for free!" wasn't generosity but simply driving more cattle into their territory.

    As for the annexia engine my first question is "which language, which DB, and supporting which OSs?" and of course "price?".

  • gbzret4dgbzret4d Member
    edited January 2025

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Monopoly position

    Broadcom/VMware? Or Netcup?

    Between Hyper-V, OpenStack, Proxmox, and QEMU, I can see them having difficulty claiming a Broadcom is a monopoly.. Will be interesting to see how it plays out if someone proceeds.

    Broadcom/VMware
    imo its pretty obvious that they are exploiting their monopoly position
    About 60 percent market share

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  • @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    and then it is doomed. where the eu intervenes, nothing good usually comes of it.

    the eu must die so that europe can live!

    Thanked by 2jsg ethanblake87
  • @Levi said:
    “Homebrew virtualisation solution” sounds like a disaster.

    nah, usually you'd use libvirt or so and set up some puppet or ansible stuff to automate it with a few templates. that's not rocket science and can be done quite reliable.

    @mrTom said:
    does anyone have an idea what solution they went with (on top of kvm)? purely inhouse or something well known? the ceo mentions working "on the open source solution", but not if its their own or a commonly used one.

    see above, I'd put my money on libvirt ...

    @sreekanth850 said:
    IMO they should opensource the migraton tool and allow others to do the same!

    you'd be surprised or rather disappointed I'd say.
    a bunch of shell commands will do the job as in most cases a VM is nothing more than a config file for the hypervisor and a disk image. simply announce some maintenance and do the migrations at night, so a little downtime is acceptable if you need to switch networks or whatever.

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  • @hyperblast said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    and then it is doomed. where the eu intervenes, nothing good usually comes of it.

    the eu must die so that europe can live!

    Totally disagree

  • @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    and then it is doomed. where the eu intervenes, nothing good usually comes of it.

    the eu must die so that europe can live!

    Totally disagree

    you have this right. i fully concede it to you!

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  • @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

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  • @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    Thanked by 2Wolf yongsiklee
  • @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    here, too, I concede you the right to disagree. as long as you do not deny me the right to my conviction.

  • @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    What happened, colleague, no luck with giftcards today?

  • @hyperblast said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    here, too, I concede you the right to disagree. as long as you do not deny me the right to my conviction.

    I would never do that ❤️

  • @ethanblake87 said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    What happened, colleague, no luck with giftcards today?

    I got scammed by some bangladeshis
    THEY REDEEMED GIFTCARDS INSTEAD OF ME

    Joking, a family member is sick and there's no cure. Alzheimer is a bitch and today was not a good day for that person

    Thanked by 2ethanblake87 emgh
  • @gbzret4d said:

    @ethanblake87 said:

    @gbzret4d said:

    @hyperblast said:

    @kevinds said:

    @gbzret4d said:
    Anexia is the owner of netcup
    Sooner or later it will be a case for the eu commission

    Why? What am I missing?

    the encroaching pseudo-superstate (aka EU) likes to interfere everywhere... and then things usually get worse than before.

    Sry but I disagree and Im not in the mood to discuss

    What happened, colleague, no luck with giftcards today?

    I got scammed by some bangladeshis
    THEY REDEEMED GIFTCARDS INSTEAD OF ME

    Joking, a family member is sick and there's no cure. Alzheimer is a bitch and today was not a good day for that person

    uff!

    i have to go to a funeral next monday. not nice either.

    Thanked by 2emgh gbzret4d
  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2025

    @jsg said:
    As for the annexia engine my first question is "which language, which DB, and supporting which OSs?" and of course "price?".

    Preliminary info (re my question):

    language seems to be Go with some Python and, it seems, some PHP also in the mix, but mainly Go. Also involved: Kubernetes and Terraform.

    All in all my impression is that it's a weird mix and somewhat cobbled together, probably as an early reaction to rumors (that now became public) and as an attempt to be among the early alternatives and independence.

    Would I trust in it and bet my hosting company on it? Clearly NO.
    Do I see potential in it? Yes, I do.

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  • The downfall of VMware is sad. Fuck Broadcom btw

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